---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/25/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:24 AM - Re: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 2. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic (Ivan Shaw) 3. 07:53 AM - GOGAN (Bob Hitchcock) 4. 12:26 PM - Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic (Alan Carter) 5. 08:24 PM - Min turns on rod ends, and a stick height dimension request (Tony Renshaw) 6. 08:35 PM - Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack (Tony Renshaw) 7. 09:09 PM - Rod Ends Continued (Tony Renshaw) 8. 11:11 PM - Re: Rod Ends Continued (Alex Kaarsberg) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:27 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic Agreed!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Al an Carter =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASen t: Wednesday, 24 September 2014, 21:08=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: a Yank's an Carter" =0A=0AYep, Daylight is good medicine, and if we could keep GMT all the year round, we would live longer, So that' s why the governments side with the Scots, to get rid of us on pensions, B- ------=0AAlan=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums ============= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:24 AM PST US From: "Ivan Shaw" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic Graham, British summer time would be better! Pensioners don't wander abroad until the streets are aired anyway!! So what's all this 'light in a morning' malarkey?!! Ivan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: 25 September 2014 09:24 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic Agreed! Graham _____ From: Alan Carter Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2014, 21:08 Subject: Europa-List: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic Yep, Daylight is good medicine, and if we could keep GMT all the year round, we would live longer, So that's why the governments side with the Scots, to get rid of us on pensions, B------- Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.co "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" ="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics  tronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contri=============== The Europa-List Email Forum - Matronics List Features Navigator to browse List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, and much much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:14 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: GOGAN From: Bob Hitchcock Hi Rick After five years solitary confinement at Coal Aston she deserves to fly. Goo d luck! Regards Bob GBYSA Time: 11:25:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: New Europa Owner From: "Rick Moss" Hi all, I've recently bought G-OGAN, a Europa Trigear 912S that had been languishing unloved and unflown at a Yorkshire farm strip since 2006. With the much-appreciated help of Graham Singleton and David Joyce, it was moved to my home strip in Derbyshire (Neil France is taking your straps and chocks and a bottle of win e tomorow David, thanks!). Following some minor tweaking under the guidance of Neil France and an engin e strip-down, it will hopefully be taking to the air again tomorrow morning for its permit check flight. Hope to see you all around and about in the future. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431055#431055 ________________________________ Message 3 _______________________________ ______ Time: 12:50:28 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Europa Owner Good News Rick!=0ABest of luck with the test flying=0AGraham--- =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rick Moss =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, 24 Septembe r 2 014, 19:25=0ASubject: Europa-List: New Europa Owner=0A =0A=0A--> Eur opa-Lis t message posted by: "Rick Moss" =0A=0AHi all, =0A= 0AI'v e recently bought G-OGAN, a Europa Trigear 912S that had been languishing u nloved and unflown at a Yorkshire farm strip since 2006. With the much-appr eciated help of Graham Singleton and David Joyce, it was moved to my home s trip in Derbyshire (Neil France is taking your straps and chocks and a bott le of wine tomorow David, thanks!).=0A=0AFollowing some minor tweaking u nde r the guidance of Neil France and an engine strip-down, it will hopefully b e taking to the air again tomorrow morning for its permit check flight.=0A =0AHope to see you all around and about in the future.=0A=0ARick=0A= 0A=0A =0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/ viewtop - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admi ==== ________________________________ Message 4 _______________________________ ______ Time: 01:09:01 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic From: "Alan Carter" Yep, Daylight is good medicine, and if we could keep GMT all the year round, we would live longer, So that's why the governments side with the Scots, to get rid of us on pensions, B------- Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431062#431062 ________________________________ Message 5 _______________________________ ______ Time: 02:45:37 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: New Europa Owner Rick, Happy to see you are resurecting an older Europa. I have done it a couple times now and I find that it is best to follow the advise of guys like Graham, Neil and David. The bird will need a nose to tail going over. Do not haste to get airborne with the engine touchup only. A good going over will probably yield little structural problems (small delams and the like) but the time spent on a proper condition inspection, then a proper 1st flight preflight checklist of at least Annex E of the manual, and a complete Rotax Annex A (install and commissioning check) combined with your inspectors keen eye will yield a great flying and dependable airplane. We have a real problem in the States with 2nd owners rushing to buy and fly. Often times the poor bird ends up languishing at an airport in neglect because it was sold AS IS with a tire kick annual inspection and only a few hours on it, and the new owner ends up with a laundry list of things to fix or just never fixes it at all and the plane becomes a burden. We look hard at the logbooks, routine maintenance and the build manual for clues. Clean and well done logs, documented engine commissioning, test runs and flight temps, performance notes, proper wt. and balance, as well as a documented fly-off with stall/Vn speeds annotated and descriptions raises our confidence. At least in the UK you have competent inspectors and proper inspection procedures to help new owners. Congratulations. Bud Yerly US Dealer ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Moss To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Europa-List: New Europa Owner > Hi all, I've recently bought G-OGAN, a Europa Trigear 912S that had been languishing unloved and unflown at a Yorkshire farm strip since 2006. With the much-appreciated help of Graham Singleton and David Joyce, it was moved to my home strip in Derbyshire (Neil France is taking your straps and chocks and a bottle of wine tomorow David, thanks!). Following some minor tweaking under the guidance of Neil France and an engine strip-down, it will hopefully be taking to the air again tomorrow morning for its permit check flight. Hope to see you all around and about in the future. Rick Read this topic online here: ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:37 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: a Yank's sense of humor...off topic From: "Alan Carter" Hello Ivan, The minister of pension did not know what the average UK pension is. Well its 113 a week, Us lot are lucky, but many can not afford to keep warm I in the winter.If we keep the time we are on now Summer time it would get dark later on winter days, (I think I had it the wrong way round before and miss lead others Summer time = longer evenings), this is far more healthier in body and mind, England's average weather record would be better, Loss to the economy would improve as people would not be late for work, Us pensioners would live longer, and remember your turn will come too, The main thing is I can get more done, and my clock is ticking, Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431099#431099 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:06 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Min turns on rod ends, and a stick height dimension request Gidday, I am setting up my tailplanes and specifically my elevator throw. I seem to have the displacement correct and note that my cranked sticks result in the grips I have, which unfortunately project forward, conflict with my panel, which is also on 20 mm rubber mounts. So, I have decided I need to get the stick displacement range further aft, and I can do this by extending the elevator pushrod length at the base of the stick. I know it is ideal to make control rod adjustments equal at each end, but in reality there doesnt seem to me to be too much logic in that if there is an adequate number of threads in the rod end. My rod ends in question are 3/8, and I recalled that I needed a minimum of 4 1/2 turns. Enquiring of my local Europa guru, he said that you need the diameter of the rod end in depth of thread, which I have noted to be 6 turns. It appears I dont need quite that minimum, but the less I leave in the rod end, the further aft I get the range of the elevator. I have only been in a Europa twice, and whilst my top is not on and my doors not on, I am relying a little on those experiences to realise my 59 (175 cm) size really needs to be jacked up on about 6 from the floor, not the 4 cushion I originally imagined. The reason I mention this is because the height of the base of my handgrip is advice I would like to seek. Of someone with similar stature, or even others who could help out with advice, Id love to know the height from the top of your thigh support to the base of your handgrip, or the base of your hand if you dont have a grip with a small shelf toe to it? I still think I need to cut down my sticks more, and whilst I appreciate I should do something else at this stage and leave it until my seats go in, which would mean when my top was on and doors to establish ideal cushion height, Id like to get the sticks close at this point. I have already noticed that whilst this adjustment no longer conflicts with my panel (only just though), full left aileron conflicts with my eyebrow exte! nsion of the glare shield over the primary panel, so I might have to shape the bottom corner of it to accommodate. Irrespective, Ive realised the need to twist the stick to avoid sidewall conflict, but it also seems to impact then on your full right stick movement in terms of the space available with a thigh in the way. Can see it as being a bit of a juggle to get right. Ironically shortening the stick a little more allows less twist required of the stick at full left turn input, giving more thigh room on the right hand side when the stick is commanded for a right turn. This brings me back to the original question, if anyone can offer up advice of their relaxed hand position on the stick, the height from the base of their hand to the top of the thigh support with the controls neutral. Much appreciated. Regards Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie (home from a great holiday in France) P.S. I have the original classic cockpit module which may offer less room for your thighs at full aileron throw. Im not sure. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:00 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack Gidday, again, With my cranked control sticks, I stripped them of paint and inspected them to notice a distinct =93crease=94 where the beginning of the crank occurs. It is on the inner edge, and appears to be the =93inner=94 point of a bend, at the end of a vice gripped section, as the bend is made by pulling towards the operator, if in fact it was done in a vice, which I very much doubt. So, the actual radius of the bends looks fine, but on the inner portion of a ben, on the ends of the central straight sections =93between the bends=94, there is what appears to be cracks. There is no doubt they are manufacturing marks, and I would like to ask if anyone else has an unpainted stick, if they could inspect theirs and see if they are the same. I am not going to paint mine now, but possibly coat them in a clear polyester coating, like you put on polished floorboards, so I can look through it and inspect it from time to time, if in fact I don=92t get these replaced. Any help appreciated, and here is a few photos to highlight my concern. Regards Tony Renshaw P.S. You can feel it, and the tube that is of the bend appears a nominally thicker radius, probably bulged from the bending process. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:31 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Rod Ends Continued Gidday again, Sorry to dominate on this thread here, but Ive just realised I can lengthen the pitch pushrods by adjusting the rod end at the front, that I can reach, and twisting in the correct direction the actual rod such that the aft rod end unwinds. This way I can share the adjustment between the two. Granted this will result in the aft lock nut being free, but I am unsure that this is a real problem once both ends are secure. I suppose I should try and get in there to tighten it up again, but would it matter if I didnt? Regards Tony R. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:31 PM PST US From: Alex Kaarsberg Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rod Ends Continued Tony, Looks definitely like a tool mark from the die used in the bending process. Not pretty but passed inspection at Europa, one could assume... Rod end adjustment being equal at both ends is the neatest way of starting out, but not as important as leaving adequate thread engagement, in my opinion. Leaving one end not locked might leave you sleepless at night for a long time? Brgds, Alex Kaarsberg, kit 529 > On 26/09/2014, at 01:06, Tony Renshaw wrote: > > > Gidday again, > Sorry to dominate on this thread here, but Ive just realised I can lengthen the pitch pushrods by adjusting the rod end at the front, that I can reach, and twisting in the correct direction the actual rod such that the aft rod end unwinds. This way I can share the adjustment between the two. Granted this will result in the aft lock nut being free, but I am unsure that this is a real problem once both ends are secure. I suppose I should try and get in there to tighten it up again, but would it matter if I didnt? > Regards > Tony R. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.