---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/26/14: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:33 AM - Re: Min turns on rod ends, and a stick height dimension request (Remi Guerner) 2. 02:48 AM - Re: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack (Roger Sheridan) 3. 12:52 PM - Ultimate Ventilator (Kelvin Weston) 4. 01:23 PM - Re: Ultimate Ventilator (Kevin Klinefelter) 5. 01:45 PM - Re: Ultimate Ventilator (Fred Klein) 6. 03:11 PM - Re: Ultimate Ventilator (david park) 7. 05:52 PM - Re: Ultimate Ventilator (PETER MORGANS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Min turns on rod ends, and a stick height dimension request From: "Remi Guerner" Hi Tony, When I bought my aircraft -this was 13 years ago- I discovered that the pilot stick was about 2 inches shorter than the copilot's. For some reason the builder had decided to shorten it. This was making the pitch control very sensitive, especially in the landing phase. I made an extension to bring the stick length back to the original configuration and this made my landings a lot easier. As it is easier to shorten the stick than lengthen it, my advice would be to keep your stick as it is until you have flown your aircraft for a while, then decide what length works best for you. Regards Remi F-PGKL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431120#431120 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack From: Roger Sheridan Hi Tony, My sticks are unpainted, uncreased & uncracked. I would be looking to change that based on your final photo. Brgds, Roger On 26 Sep 2014, at 04:33, Tony Renshaw wrote: > Gidday, again, > With my cranked control sticks, I stripped them of paint and inspected them to notice a distinct crease where the beginning of the crank occurs. It is on the inner edge, and appears to be the inner point of a bend, at the end of a vice gripped section, as the bend is made by pulling towards the operator, if in fact it was done in a vice, which I very much doubt. So, the actual radius of the bends looks fine, but on the inner portion of a ben, on the ends of the central straight sections between the bends, there is what appears to be cracks. There is no doubt they are manufacturing marks, and I would like to ask if anyone else has an unpainted stick, if they could inspect theirs and see if they are the same. I am not going to paint mine now, but possibly coat them in a clear polyester coating, like you put on polished floorboards, so I can look through it and inspect it from time to time, if in fact I dont get these replaced. Any help appreciated, and here is a few photos to highlight my concern. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > P.S. You can feel it, and the tube that is of the bend appears a nominally thicker radius, probably bulged from the bending process. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:51 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilator From: "Kelvin Weston" Hi all Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors. I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem. My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is: Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains? I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed. In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted. I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside. Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive. -------- Regards Kelv Weston Kit 497 kelv@kdweston.biz Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431150#431150 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:48 PM PST US From: Kevin Klinefelter Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilator I've hade no water enter though them. Once you paint them the gap gets smaller. They work quite well for me. Kevin Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Kelvin Weston" wrote: > > > Hi all > > Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors. > I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem. > My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is: > Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains? > I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed. > In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted. > I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside. > Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive. > > -------- > Regards > > Kelv Weston > Kit 497 > kelv@kdweston.biz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431150#431150 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilator From: Fred Klein sure doesnt sound like a value at $125 each (as I recall when I considered buying a couple)do not archive On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Kelvin Weston wrote: > > Hi all > > Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors. > I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem. > My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is: > Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains? > I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed. > In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted. > I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside. > Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive. > > -------- > Regards > > Kelv Weston > Kit 497 > kelv@kdweston.biz > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431150#431150 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:18 PM PST US From: david park Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilator I have something like you describe in my Europa G-LDVO and find them a simpl e and effective solution. Have flown through some rain and no problem. When parked outside the pic shows the cover over the vent in front of the do or. Regards Dave Park (PS. Pic shows me stuck in Rochester on way to Texel with f og) > On 26 Sep 2014, at 21:44, Fred Klein wrote: > > > sure doesn=99t sound like a value at $125 each (as I recall when I c onsidered buying a couple)do not archive > >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Kelvin Weston wrote: >> >> >> Hi all >> >> Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the win dscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors. >> I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solu tion to the ventilation problem. >> My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is: >> Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains? >> I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is qui te a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed. >> In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closu re device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted. >> I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is st ored outside. >> Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive. >> >> -------- >> Regards >> >> Kelv Weston >> Kit 497 >> kelv@kdweston.biz >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431150#431150 > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:10 PM PST US From: PETER MORGANS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilator Hi Kelv,=0AWas it mine - G-CFKZ? There is a small circumferential gap, meta l to metal, of about 0.010". These units provide superb controllable ventil ation compared to the original units. Have not noticed any problems with ra in ingress or water after washing. In flight, with vents closed, there is a slight draft through the gap.=0ARegards=0APeter Morgans=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0A From: Kelvin Weston =0ATo: eur opa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 26 September 2014, 20:51=0ASubject: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilator=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted b y: "Kelvin Weston" =0A=0AHi all=0A=0AHave just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side o f the fuselage just forward of the doors.=0AI saw them fitted to a Europa a t Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem. =0AMy question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:=0A Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?=0AI notice that t here is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.=0AIn fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.=0AI can imagine a lot of rain ent ering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.=0AHope I am wrong b ecause they were bloody expensive.=0A=0A--------=0ARegards=0A=0AKelv Weston =0AKit 497=0Akelv@kdweston.biz=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431150#431150=0A=0A=0A ================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.