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1. 02:56 AM - Re: Ultimate Ventilator (Robert Borger)
2. 07:36 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (David Park)
3. 08:04 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Robert Borger)
4. 08:10 AM - Re: SkyYiew antenna (Pete Lawless)
5. 09:43 AM - door strut mods (Rowland Carson)
6. 10:00 AM - Re: door strut mods (Fred Klein)
7. 10:37 AM - In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (graeme bird)
8. 11:21 AM - Re: door strut mods (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
9. 11:46 AM - Re: door strut mods (Donald Cameron)
10. 11:48 AM - Re: Ultimate Ventilator (Kelvin Weston)
11. 12:41 PM - Re: door strut mods (jonathanmilbank)
12. 04:56 PM - Re: door strut mods (Timward)
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Ventilator |
Jim,
See =97 http://europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=63921 for pictures
of an ultimate ventilator.
I installed them in my Europa. They work great at providing plenty of
ventilation. Maybe leak a tiny bit when closed but not enough to worry
about. Have never flown in precipitation so I can=92t speak to leaking.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Sep 27, 2014, at 12:27 PM, James Kelly <europajimkelly@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Kelv, do you have a close up pic or a drawing ?
> G-BWEG Jim
>
> On Saturday, September 27, 2014, PETER MORGANS
<petermorgans181@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi Kelv,
> Was it mine - G-CFKZ? There is a small circumferential gap, metal to
metal, of about 0.010". These units provide superb controllable
ventilation compared to the original units. Have not noticed any
problems with rain ingress or water after washing. In flight, with vents
closed, there is a slight draft through the gap.
> Regards
> Peter Morgans
>
> From: Kelvin Weston <kelv@kdweston.biz>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, 26 September 2014, 20:51
> Subject: Europa-List: Ultimate Ventilator
>
>
> Hi all
>
> Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the
windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors.
> I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good
solution to the ventilation problem.
> My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:
> Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?
> I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is
quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is
closed.
> In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive
closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.
> I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is
stored outside.
> Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.
>
> --------
> Regards
>
> Kelv Weston
> Kit 497
> kelv@kdweston.biz
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| Subject: | Re: SkyYiew antenna |
Does anyone know the link to update the CHART software for the Garmin 496 OR
is it no longer supported?
Dave Park
Sent from my iPad
> On 2 Jun 2014, at 18:43, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Fred,
> Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas inside the panel. T
he postage stamp style (dynon/grt/aftermarket for handheld 496) work best mo
unted to a hat shapped aluminum mount reduxed to the top inside of the panel
. I find the postage stamp type work best mounted to a small thin metal bra
cket or signal reception degrades... Grounding of the metal makes no differ
ence.
>
> Garmin IFR antennas are mounted under the top above the space between the r
adio stack and instruments. No metal backing necessary. I use fiberglass C
sections on each side (actually just wrapped the Garmin with glass with rel
ease tape to make it replaceable and used the provided screw holes )...
>
> Some Rules:
> The antenna cannot be mounted under any metal, carbon fiber. Avoid metali
c paint (metal flake) on the panel.
> If using fans in the top, obviously keep them to the sides of the antenna.
> Make sure you use good quality coax.
> Mount the antenna solid so it doesn't vibrate.
> If you install a marker beacon home made antenna in the panel, keep it cle
ar by about 6 inches as it swallows waves of its own.
> I've put the GRT antenna 8 inches from the Garmin antenna and they both wo
rk fine. The GRT hat section metal is a bit wider than the postage stamp an
d the vertical part of the hat blocks the Garmin from direct line of sight.
They play nicely together.
>
> Never had any problems with these simple rules.
>
> Anytime you mount something to the top of the instrument panel it will ref
lect on the windscreen. You shouldn't paint the Garmins or postage stamp ty
pes. So the only help is to put a piece of black cloth over the white anten
na. Some of the postage stamps are a satin black and aren't too bad but you
sure do see it in the reflection of the panel top on the screen.
>
> If fans are installed, paint the fan flat black and cover with fiberglass s
creens installed on the panel, painted to match the panel color or flat blac
k.
> Panel top should be painted a dark color (dark brown, flat black, dark gra
y) to keep light reflections on the windscreens to a minimum.
> I paint my panels with SEM interior lacquer color paint, coat with their f
lat clear but lacquer chips so... I use Polyurethane paint over the SEM int
erior lacquer color paint with flatener added. Then letter the panel. Then
coat with another layer of flat clear. SEM makes a clear hotrod flat paint
that works well. Polyurethane holds up well to the stuff we throw in the t
ray, or other stuff we flop on top of the panel. The flat can be wiped clea
n without streaking and can be touched up nicely if gouged. No reflection p
roblems. Stay away from enamel and lacquer flat finishes as they don't hold
up to wear and tear and often look funny after wiping the dust off with cle
aner.
>
> Now that I have the wife flying with me, military gray/ flat black is out o
f my paint inventory. We have 12AY in nice tan (face) and browns (panel) th
at are soothing and comfortable and match the leather and fabrics in the coc
kpit giving a uniformity to the texture and feel. (I've been watching too m
any decorating shows lately.) You get awards for nice paint and stuff, but w
atch the reflections and wearability or you'll never see traffic with the su
n at 12 o'clock...
>
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Klein
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:30 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna
>
>
> I=99ve been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it i
s optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18 inches) away f
rom other gps antennas as well as the electronics and instruments.
>
> Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?if so, I
=99m curious as to where you=99ve installed your SV-250 module, and if
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| Subject: | Re: SkyYiew antenna |
Dave,
You do it through the Garmin web site. You=92ll have to register your
496 with them and download their map update software. The map update
software handles all the downloads. You may have to purchase the
updates, I don=92t remember exactly if they came with my 496 or I had to
purchase them. I know that I purchased lifetime updates for automotive
units.
Try starting at =97 http://www.garmin.com/en-US/maps/updates/
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Sep 28, 2014, at 8:00 PM, David Park <dpark748@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Does anyone know the link to update the CHART software for the Garmin
496 OR is it no longer supported?
> Dave Park
>
> Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: SkyYiew antenna |
Hi David
https://fly.garmin.com/fly-garmin/support/pricing/
Pete
On 28/09/14 15:30, David Park wrote:
> Does anyone know the link to update the CHART software for the Garmin
> 496 OR is it no longer supported?
> Dave Park
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2 Jun 2014, at 18:43, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com
> <mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote:
>
>> Fred,
>> Have mounted Garmin, Dynon, Grand Rapids GPS antennas inside the
>> panel. The postage stamp style (dynon/grt/aftermarket for handheld
>> 496) work best mounted to a hat shapped aluminum mount reduxed to the
>> top inside of the panel. I find the postage stamp type work best
>> mounted to a small thin metal bracket or signal reception
>> degrades... Grounding of the metal makes no difference.
>> Garmin IFR antennas are mounted under the top above the space between
>> the radio stack and instruments. No metal backing necessary. I use
>> fiberglass C sections on each side (actually just wrapped the Garmin
>> with glass with release tape to make it replaceable and used the
>> provided screw holes )...
>> Some Rules:
>> The antenna cannot be mounted under any metal, carbon fiber. Avoid
>> metalic paint (metal flake) on the panel.
>> If using fans in the top, obviously keep them to the sides of the
>> antenna.
>> Make sure you use good quality coax.
>> Mount the antenna solid so it doesn't vibrate.
>> If you install a marker beacon home made antenna in the panel, keep
>> it clear by about 6 inches as it swallows waves of its own.
>> I've put the GRT antenna 8 inches from the Garmin antenna and they
>> both work fine. The GRT hat section metal is a bit wider than the
>> postage stamp and the vertical part of the hat blocks the Garmin from
>> direct line of sight. They play nicely together.
>> Never had any problems with these simple rules.
>> Anytime you mount something to the top of the instrument panel it
>> will reflect on the windscreen. You shouldn't paint the Garmins or
>> postage stamp types. So the only help is to put a piece of black
>> cloth over the white antenna. Some of the postage stamps are a satin
>> black and aren't too bad but you sure do see it in the reflection of
>> the panel top on the screen.
>> If fans are installed, paint the fan flat black and cover with
>> fiberglass screens installed on the panel, painted to match the panel
>> color or flat black.
>> Panel top should be painted a dark color (dark brown, flat black,
>> dark gray) to keep light reflections on the windscreens to a minimum.
>> I paint my panels with SEM interior lacquer color paint, coat with
>> their flat clear but lacquer chips so... I use Polyurethane paint
>> over the SEM interior lacquer color paint with flatener added. Then
>> letter the panel. Then coat with another layer of flat clear. SEM
>> makes a clear hotrod flat paint that works well. Polyurethane holds
>> up well to the stuff we throw in the tray, or other stuff we flop on
>> top of the panel. The flat can be wiped clean without streaking and
>> can be touched up nicely if gouged. No reflection problems. Stay
>> away from enamel and lacquer flat finishes as they don't hold up to
>> wear and tear and often look funny after wiping the dust off with
>> cleaner.
>> Now that I have the wife flying with me, military gray/ flat black is
>> out of my paint inventory. We have 12AY in nice tan (face) and
>> browns (panel) that are soothing and comfortable and match the
>> leather and fabrics in the cockpit giving a uniformity to the texture
>> and feel. (I've been watching too many decorating shows lately.) You
>> get awards for nice paint and stuff, but watch the reflections and
>> wearability or you'll never see traffic with the sun at 12 o'clock...
>> Regards,
>> Bud Yerly
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Fred Klein <mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com>
>> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2014 7:30 PM
>> *Subject:* Europa-List: SkyYiew antenna
>>
>> <fklein@orcasonline.com <mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com>>
>>
>> Ive been advised that a garmin instrument technician sez that it
>> is optimal to have the gps antenna a good distance (he said 18
>> inches) away from other gps antennas as well as the electronics
>> and instruments.
>>
>> Anyone flying w/ SkyView SV-250-GPS module installed?if so, Im
>> curious as to where youve installed your SV-250 module, and if
>> performance is acceptable; if not, where are you planning to
>> relocate p; Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web
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Im thinking way ahead of what Im doing just now, but want to get prepared well
in time.
The standard door strut arrangement causes the doors to bulge away from the door
recess, as I observed while walking around the Europas parked at the LAA Rally
this year. I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but
I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However,
despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely
keywords I havent managed to find a relevant posting.
Am I dreaming? Would the originator(s) of any such improvements care to stand up
& identify themselves? If the changes were successful, is there an LAA mod number
(or even just the LAA project number) that I can quote if I seek to emulate
their work?
I dont suppose anyone has comparative experience of all the possible solutions,
but Im happy to hear opinions on what works best to stop the doors bulging up.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: door strut mods |
On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I
recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum.
However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics
archives with likely keywords I haven=92t managed to find a relevant
posting.
Rowland,
I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
Fred
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| Subject: | In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
Departing Bembridge and over sea I couldnt work out why so much air was coming
up the throttle hole and fuel pump hatch, thought some baffle may have moved.
Then after a few minutes, to my horror, noticed the rear pin on the passenger
door was located outside the plane rather than in the socket. First time but a
classic problem. Slowed right down to 70kts , thought about landing then decided
to get my wife to close it properly. I was very glad of the plastic hook at
the rear and the leaver protector plate at the front. She held the front plate
and moved the leaver up, I held the stick and rear hook and all went fine.
Couldn't have done it without the plastic dressing gown hook stuck and screwed
in place at the rear.
Moral of the story (apart from checking before departure) 1. lots of air coming
in means something open at the rear. 2, if you are building fit a means of pulling
the door back in.
BTW does anyone have a rotax vacuum pump sitting idle?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 105 hours 26 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: door strut mods |
Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to
do it. =0A=0AKingsley has details I think=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0A From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>=0ATo: euro
pa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59=0ASubject:
Re: Europa-List: door strut mods=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43
AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:=0A=0A=C2-I know ther
e is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least o
ne other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending
some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I ha
ven=99t managed to find a relevant posting.=0A=0ARowland,=0A=0AI beli
eve Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.=0A=0AFred
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| Subject: | Re: door strut mods |
Hi
I believe the details others have being making reference to a d the ones you
r looking for are on the europa club website.
I have attached a link to the appropriate page showing the details of the mo
d that is fitted to Justin Kennedy's europa G-ZTED
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.pdf
Hope this is what your looking for?
Kind regards
Donald
G-PUPY
Sent from my iPhone
On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> w
rote:
> Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to
do it.
> Kingsley has details I think
> Graham
>
> From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: door strut mods
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrot
e:
>
>> I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I rec
all at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, desp
ite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely k
eywords I haven=99t managed to find a relevant posting.
>
> Rowland,
>
> I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
>
> Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Ventilator |
Hi Jim
The gap is very small. Hopefully, when painted it should be almost a touch fit
when closed.
Pictures attached.
--------
Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv@kdweston.biz
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| Subject: | Re: door strut mods |
I just added layers of glass below the bulging top rear edge of each door and then
filing /sanding away the top edges until I got the desired effect. 17 years
of flying later and still going strong without any bulge.
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| Subject: | Re: door strut mods |
Hi all,
It is a funny thing because I have never had a problem with the original des
ign. No door deformations have occurred, opens as designed, and occasionally
in windy situations comes down which one is aware of and can happen to any d
esign.
The secret I believe is the bonding of the perplex into the window frame bei
ng done correctly.
Leaving a gap between the perplex and the frame is essential for it to be ab
le to expand even with redux filler. Both windows and doors fitted in situ w
ith door handle locks in place and with bands wrapped around the entire fuse
lage to hold it in place. Worked for me.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 29/09/2014, at 2:45 am, Donald Cameron <fireflier@btinternet.com> wrote
:
>
> Hi
>
> I believe the details others have being making reference to a d the ones y
our looking for are on the europa club website.
>
> I have attached a link to the appropriate page showing the details of the m
od that is fitted to Justin Kennedy's europa G-ZTED
>
> http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.p
df
>
> Hope this is what your looking for?
>
> Kind regards
> Donald
> G-PUPY
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.co
m> wrote:
>>
>> Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way t
o do it.
>> Kingsley has details I think
>> Graham
>>
>> From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: door strut mods
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wr
ote:
>>>
>>> I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I re
call at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, des
pite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely k
eywords I haven=81ft managed to find a relevant posting.
>>
>> Rowland,
>>
>> I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/con===============
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