---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/29/14: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:16 AM - Re: door strut mods (Bob Harrison) 2. 01:05 AM - Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (pjeffers) 3. 01:56 AM - Re: door strut mods (Rowland Carson) 4. 06:32 AM - Wanted (willydewey) 5. 06:44 AM - XS Tri Gear Wanted (William Dewey) 6. 07:04 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Fred Klein) 7. 07:38 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Peter Zutrauen) 8. 07:39 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (danny shepherd) 9. 08:02 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (willydewey) 10. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Peter Zutrauen) 11. 11:35 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Peter Jeffers) 12. 11:59 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Peter Zutrauen) 13. 12:03 PM - Re: door strut mods (Bud Yerly) 14. 12:07 PM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Jeffrey Roberts) 15. 12:26 PM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Bob Harrison) 16. 01:29 PM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (willydewey) 17. 02:17 PM - Re: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack (Richard Collings) 18. 02:40 PM - Re: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 19. 02:42 PM - Re: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack (Tony Renshaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:05 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: door strut mods Hi! Tim, If the gas struts are at full pressure on the original mount point the top rear corner of each doors begins to deform upwards and so doesn=99t remain flush with the top of the fuselage surface by about 1/8=9D Originally it was acceptable to flush the fuselage out with a thicker layer of filler on it . I wonder if your gas struts have lost some of their pressure since you were supplied and also do you leave the doors closed for long periods in the sun and summer temperatures? Ted Gladstone=99s mod removes any mechanical stress from that corner also Andy Drapers mod to reposition the ball fixing and strengthen the aft member of the doors is much more kind to the doors. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timward Sent: 29 September 2014 00:55 Subject: Re: Europa-List: door strut mods Hi all, It is a funny thing because I have never had a problem with the original design. No door deformations have occurred, opens as designed, and occasionally in windy situations comes down which one is aware of and can happen to any design. The secret I believe is the bonding of the perplex into the window frame being done correctly. Leaving a gap between the perplex and the frame is essential for it to be able to expand even with redux filler. Both windows and doors fitted in situ with door handle locks in place and with bands wrapped around the entire fuselage to hold it in place. Worked for me. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 On 29/09/2014, at 2:45 am, Donald Cameron wrote: Hi I believe the details others have being making reference to a d the ones your looking for are on the europa club website. I have attached a link to the appropriate page showing the details of the mod that is fitted to Justin Kennedy's europa G-ZTED http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod. pdf Hope this is what your looking for? Kind regards Donald G-PUPY Sent from my iPhone On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to do it. Kingsley has details I think Graham _____ From: Fred Klein Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59 Subject: Re: Europa-List: door strut mods On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson wrote: I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven=99t managed to find a relevant posting. Rowland, I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question. 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http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod.pdf > > Hope this is what your looking for? Donald - thanks for your message. I feel somewhat stupid having not thought to check the resources available from The Europa Club first! Yes, the link describes just what I was looking for. Ive asked LAA Engineering if they can let me have the official documentation (its not - yet - shown in any of the lists of mods on the LAA website). And thanks to all the others who have responded to my posting, I appreciate your help. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:56 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wanted From: "willydewey" Wanted u.k. Constructed XS trig gear. About 400 hrs total time All ADs done No silly prices Please email willydewey@gmail.com -------- Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431238#431238 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:00 AM PST US From: William Dewey Subject: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted Having lost my Alpi Pioneer 300 I am looking for a 400 hr or thereabouts, Tri gear XS Europa. All ADs up to date. U.K. Built. Rotax ULS . No damage recorded. No silly prices please. Please email me asking price, empty weight, photos etc. willydewey@gmail.com Sent from my iPad William (Bill) Dewey ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:42 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey wrote: > No silly prices please. =85I=92m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remark=85 do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:17 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted definitely sets the tone for negotiation: "only desperate sellers please" is how I read it. Pity...... Good thing I have no plans to sell my parts.... Cheers, Pete On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Fred Klein wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey wrote: > > No silly prices please. > > > I=99m astonished that someone would introduce themselves t o this forum with > such a remark > > do not archive > > * > =========== tronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted From: danny shepherd V2VsbCBzYWlkIEZyZWQuIElmIGhlIHdhbnRzIGEgY2hlYXAgYWlyY3JhZnQgbG9vayBlbHNlIHdo ZXJlCgpEYW5ueSBHLWNlcmkKCkZyZWQgS2xlaW4gd3JvdGU6Cg= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:08 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted From: "willydewey" Just to clarify matter to those who replied but have nothing to offer, I am looking for a good well constructed aircraft for sale at the proper price. I don't want a cheap poorly built/ maintained aircraft that has been languishing outside or neglected for years at the back of a hangar. I hope that clears up matters!!!! -------- Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431243#431243 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:59 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted ouch On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:55 AM, willydewey wrote: > > Just to clarify matter to those who replied but have nothing to offer, I > am looking for a good well constructed aircraft for sale at the proper > price. I don't want a cheap poorly built/ maintained aircraft that has been > languishing outside or neglected for years at the back of a hangar. > I hope that clears up matters!!!! > > -------- > Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431243#431243 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:40 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted I am very disappointed to read the negative comments directed at a potential Europa buyer who thought that he was joining a 'friendly group of like-minded flyers'. At no point did he express the desire for a cheap aircraft, rather the contrary, he wanted a well-built, well maintained plane. I am not able officially to write on the forum, although I own half a Europa and, indeed fly the whole plane, but ,I feel very strongly that we should all be more welcoming to flyers expressing interest in joining our community. I have to send this under my husband's name, but he is in agreement with my comments. Sue Jeffers From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd Sent: 29 September 2014 15:33 Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted Well said Fred. If he wants a cheap aircraft look else where Danny G-ceri Fred Klein wrote: On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey wrote: No silly prices please. I=99m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remark do not archive ~, _____ g=D3=93 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:24 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted The the downfall of tweet-size internet postings (of any type) is the complete loss of any conversational/tonal context. So interpretation is very difficult. "silly prices" does carry an inferred tone. Not sure the European market situation, but here in N.A. the Europa existing plane prices (both kits and flying) have been devalued to *incredibly* undervalued prices sadly. Silly prices indeed. Supply and demand in action .. Cheers, Pete A239 On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Peter Jeffers wrote: > I am very disappointed to read the negative comments directed at a > potential Europa buyer who thought that he was joining a 'friendly group of > like-minded flyers'. At no point did he express the desire for a cheap > aircraft, rather the contrary, he wanted a well-built, well maintained > plane. I am not able officially to write on the forum, although I own hal f > a Europa and, indeed fly the whole plane, but ,I feel very strongly that we > should all be more welcoming to flyers expressing interest in joining our > community. I have to send this under my husband's name, but he is in > agreement with my comments. > > Sue Jeffers > > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *danny shepherd > *Sent:* 29 September 2014 15:33 > *To:* Matronics > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted > > > Well said Fred. If he wants a cheap aircraft look else where > > Danny G-ceri > > > Fred Klein wrote: > > > On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey wrote: > > > No silly prices please. > > > I=99m astonished that someone would introduce themselves t o this forum with > such a remark > > > do not archive > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List * > > *http://forums.matronics.com * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution * > > > ~, > ------------------------------ > g=D3=93 > > * > =========== tronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:12 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: door strut mods Tim, You are the first I have heard without a modest complaint. Mod 66 is a good, but heavy bulky mod. Years ago Bob Berube made a hand done modification. Later when I found some better (I thought) door seals I found this method allowed for my thicker door seals. Later I put into instructions here at Custom Flight for my clients. Attached is how we do it at the shop yet today. Wordy of course. The original is on my website, but is not our new one, which is attached here. Regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 3:13 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: door strut mods Hi! Tim, If the gas struts are at full pressure on the original mount point the top rear corner of each doors begins to deform upwards and so doesn=99t remain flush with the top of the fuselage surface by about 1/8=9D Originally it was acceptable to flush the fuselage out with a thicker layer of filler on it . I wonder if your gas struts have lost some of their pressure since you were supplied and also do you leave the doors closed for long periods in the sun and summer temperatures? Ted Gladstone=99s mod removes any mechanical stress from that corner also Andy Drapers mod to reposition the ball fixing and strengthen the aft member of the doors is much more kind to the doors. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timward Sent: 29 September 2014 00:55 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: door strut mods Hi all, It is a funny thing because I have never had a problem with the original design. No door deformations have occurred, opens as designed, and occasionally in windy situations comes down which one is aware of and can happen to any design. The secret I believe is the bonding of the perplex into the window frame being done correctly. Leaving a gap between the perplex and the frame is essential for it to be able to expand even with redux filler. Both windows and doors fitted in situ with door handle locks in place and with bands wrapped around the entire fuselage to hold it in place. Worked for me. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 On 29/09/2014, at 2:45 am, Donald Cameron > wrote: Hi I believe the details others have being making reference to a d the ones your looking for are on the europa club website. I have attached a link to the appropriate page showing the details of the mod that is fitted to Justin Kennedy's europa G-ZTED http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/G-ZTED-Strut-Mod. pdf Hope this is what your looking for? Kind regards Donald G-PUPY Sent from my iPhone On 28 Sep 2014, at 18:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON > wrote: Justin Kennedy's mod, (designed by Ted Gladstone) is the definitive way to do it. Kingsley has details I think Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: Fred Klein > To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014, 17:59 Subject: Re: Europa-List: door strut mods On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Rowland Carson > wrote: I know there is a factory mod that addresses this (at a price) but I recall at least one other solution being mentioned in this forum. However, despite spending some time poking around in the Matronics archives with likely keywords I haven=99t managed to find a relevant posting. Rowland, I believe Justin Kennedy and Kingsley Hurst can address your question. 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Everyone has a different way of expressing themselves in word choices. We all must remember emails do not transmit voice intonations. Therefore one must give way to an honest none insulting intent. I sometimes marvel at how much this list is used to argue over who is right and wrong and make sure our point of view is heard as being gospel. This list is to give help to builders and to buy and sell our delightful aircraft not to feed anyones intelligence ego. If your post is anything else other than help to those that need it then perhaps it's best to hold the thought. Stay Positive ;-) Jeff R. Still loving... N128LJ Gold Rush On Sep 29, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Peter Jeffers wrote: > I am very disappointed to read the negative comments directed at a potential Europa buyer who thought that he was joining a 'friendly group of like-minded flyers'. At no point did he express the desire for a cheap aircraft, rather the contrary, he wanted a well-built, well maintained plane. I am not able officially to write on the forum, although I own half a Europa and, indeed fly the whole plane, but ,I feel very strongly that we should all be more welcoming to flyers expressing interest in joining our community. I have to send this under my husband's name, but he is in agreement with my comments. > Sue Jeffers > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd > Sent: 29 September 2014 15:33 > To: Matronics > Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted > > Well said Fred. If he wants a cheap aircraft look else where > > Danny G-ceri > > > > Fred Klein wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey wrote: > > > No silly prices please. > > I=99m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remark > > do not archive > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ~, > g=D3=93 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:58 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted I too will second that statement Sue, well said ..... I can write on the forum and always intend to help prospective buyers in preparation of their expectancies for what they get and also what they can expect having bought it even when it is well maintained they need to be very much aware of it=99s limitations. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG . From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers Sent: 29 September 2014 19:33 Subject: RE: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted I am very disappointed to read the negative comments directed at a potential Europa buyer who thought that he was joining a 'friendly group of like-minded flyers'. At no point did he express the desire for a cheap aircraft, rather the contrary, he wanted a well-built, well maintained plane. I am not able officially to write on the forum, although I own half a Europa and, indeed fly the whole plane, but ,I feel very strongly that we should all be more welcoming to flyers expressing interest in joining our community. I have to send this under my husband's name, but he is in agreement with my comments. Sue Jeffers From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd Sent: 29 September 2014 15:33 Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri Gear Wanted Well said Fred. If he wants a cheap aircraft look else where Danny G-ceri Fred Klein wrote: On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey wrote: No silly prices please. I=99m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remark do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ~, _____ g=D3=93 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:43 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted From: "willydewey" I am sorry that my advert has caused a few folk to reply in a hostile manner.Far be it my intention to cause dissension in the group. There was a Europa XS for sale on AFORS where the asking price was 32500 and I expect it might have been sold for 30.000 the registration was I think G.BWJH. Although I missed this sale and therefor never saw or inspected the aircraft, this is the price I am looking at. So please do not take offence. Bill Dewey -------- Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431253#431253 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:55 PM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack Hi Tony As you have stripped the paint off them both, for piece of mind crack test them. You can buy the dye line system [3 aerosol cans] for a few quid I mean dollars from an engineering supplier. But that aside just lets look at the loads your going to put this part under, to my mind if you were to exert the kind of load required to cause a failure you would have ripped the whole unit out of the floor! Stick forces re not high in the Europa, in fact there low and very well balanced don't worry. Good luck Richard -----Original Message----- From: Tony Renshaw Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:33 AM Subject: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack Gidday, again, With my cranked control sticks, I stripped them of paint and inspected them to notice a distinct crease where the beginning of the crank occurs. It is on the inner edge, and appears to be the inner point of a bend, at the end of a vice gripped section, as the bend is made by pulling towards the operator, if in fact it was done in a vice, which I very much doubt. So, the actual radius of the bends looks fine, but on the inner portion of a ben, on the ends of the central straight sections between the bends, there is what appears to be cracks. There is no doubt they are manufacturing marks, and I would like to ask if anyone else has an unpainted stick, if they could inspect theirs and see if they are the same. I am not going to paint mine now, but possibly coat them in a clear polyester coating, like you put on polished floorboards, so I can look through it and inspect it from time to time, if in fact I dont get these replaced. Any help appreciated, and here is a few photos to highlight my concern. Regards Tony Renshaw P.S. You can feel it, and the tube that is of the bend appears a nominally thicker radius, probably bulged from the bending process. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:10 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack Richard,=0Astick loads are indeed quite low most times, but if aircraft is not in trim pitch loads can be quite high.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Richard Collings =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 29 September 2014, 22:09 =0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a ings@talktalk.net>=0A=0AHi Tony=0AAs you have stripped the paint off them b oth, for piece of mind crack test them. You can buy the dye line system [3 aerosol cans] for a few quid I mean dollars from an engineering supplier. =0ABut that aside just lets look at the loads your going to put this part u nder, to my mind if you were to exert the kind of load required to cause a failure you would have ripped the whole unit out of the floor! Stick forces re not high in the Europa, in fact there low and very well balanced don't worry.=0AGood luck=0ARichard=0A-----Original Message----- From: Tony Rensha w=0ASent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:33 AM=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.co m=0ASubject: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a cra ck=0A=0AGidday, again,=0AWith my cranked control sticks, I stripped them of paint and inspected them to notice a distinct =9Ccrease=9D whe re the beginning of the crank occurs. It is on the inner edge, and appears to be the =9Cinner=9D point of a bend, at the end of a vice gri pped section, as the bend is made by pulling towards the operator, if in fa ct it was done in a vice, which I very much doubt. So, the actual radius of the bends looks fine, but on the inner portion of a ben, on the ends of th e central straight sections =9Cbetween the bends=9D, there is w hat appears to be cracks. There is no doubt they are manufacturing marks, a nd I would like to ask if anyone else has an unpainted stick, if they could inspect theirs and see if they are the same. I am not going to paint mine now, but possibly coat them in a clear polyester coating, like you put on p olished floorboards, so I can look through it and inspect it from time to t ime, if in fact I don=99t get these replaced. Any help appreciated, and here is a few photos to highlight my concern.=0ARegards =0ATony Renshaw=0AP.S. You can feel it, and the tube that is of the bend ap pears a nominally thicker radius, probably bulged from the bending process. =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ===== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:43 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack Thanks Richard, It's just disconcerting to have what appears to be a crack on "each" of the bends. If they aren't on other sets, maybe they shouldn't be on mine either. Regards TR Sent from my iPad > On 30 Sep 2014, at 7:09 am, Richard Collings wrote: > > > Hi Tony > As you have stripped the paint off them both, for piece of mind crack test them. You can buy the dye line system [3 aerosol cans] for a few quid I mean dollars from an engineering supplier. > But that aside just lets look at the loads your going to put this part under, to my mind if you were to exert the kind of load required to cause a failure you would have ripped the whole unit out of the floor! Stick forces re not high in the Europa, in fact there low and very well balanced don't worry. > Good luck > Richard > -----Original Message----- From: Tony Renshaw > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:33 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Cranked sticks.........unusual crease, like a crack > > Gidday, again, > With my cranked control sticks, I stripped them of paint and inspected them to notice a distinct crease where the beginning of the crank occurs. It is on the inner edge, and appears to be the inner point of a bend, at the end of a vice gripped section, as the bend is made by pulling towards the operator, if in fact it was done in a vice, which I very much doubt. So, the actual radius of the bends looks fine, but on the inner portion of a ben, on the ends of the central straight sections between the bends, there is what appears to be cracks. There is no doubt they are manufacturing marks, and I would like to ask if anyone else has an unpainted stick, if they could inspect theirs and see if they are the same. I am not going to paint mine now, but possibly coat them in a clear polyester coating, like you put on polished floorboards, so I can look through it and inspect it from time to time, if in fact I dont get these replaced. Any help appreciated, and here is a few photos to highlight my concern. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > P.S. You can feel it, and the tube that is of the bend appears a nominally thicker radius, probably bulged from the bending process. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.