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1. 02:27 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Rowland Carson)
2. 03:08 AM - FW: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (pjeffers)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (willydewey)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
5. 08:08 AM - Door Strut Mod (Erich Trombley)
6. 08:20 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Fred Klein)
7. 09:49 AM - Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted (Trevpond@aol.com)
8. 03:13 PM - Re: Door Strut Mod (Bud Yerly)
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| Subject: | Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted |
On 29 Sep 2014, at 14:36, William Dewey <willydewey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having lost my Alpi Pioneer 300 I am looking for a 400 hr or thereabouts, Tri
gear XS Europa.
> All ADs up to date. U.K. Built. Rotax ULS . No damage recorded.
> No silly prices please. Please email me asking price, empty weight, photos etc.
Bill - welcome to the Europa community! Im astonished by the comments that your
posting has occasioned, but I alway try to understand that people have different
world views, and I usually excuse our friends from other countries whose native
language is not British English and thus may have misunderstood your phrase
silly prices. I thought it was a perfectly reasonable qualifier - I wouldnt
want to waste time looking at a Europa offered at (say) 50k either!
I hope you find a machine to suit you and that you discover the friendly core of
the Europa community, even if the exterior seems a bit abrasive to start with!
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
-----Original Message-----
From: pjeffers
Sent: 29/09/2014 09:01
Subject: RE: Europa-List: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror
Hi Graham,
I do have a vac pump available. Pleas call 01494 881431 to discuss if you a
re interested.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: graeme bird
Sent: 28/09/2014 18:36
Subject: Europa-List: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror
Departing Bembridge and over sea I couldnt work out why so much air was com
ing up the throttle hole and fuel pump hatch, thought some baffle may have
moved. Then after a few minutes, to my horror, noticed the rear pin on the
passenger door was located outside the plane rather than in the socket. Fir
st time but a classic problem. Slowed right down to 70kts , thought about l
anding then decided to get my wife to close it properly. I was very glad of
the plastic hook at the rear and the leaver protector plate at the front.
She held the front plate and moved the leaver up, I held the stick and rear
hook and all went fine.
Couldn't have done it without the plastic dressing gown hook stuck and scre
wed in place at the rear.
Moral of the story (apart from checking before departure) 1. lots of air co
ming in means something open at the rear. 2, if you are building fit a mean
s of pulling the door back in.
BTW does anyone have a rotax vacuum pump sitting idle?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 105 hours 26 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted |
Those are very kind comments Rowland.....thank you.
Many have phoned/emailed me off forum expressing similar views and I thank them
also.
I have been put in touch with a couple of vendors and expect to start my search
in earnest this weekend. You probably gather that I am not new to light aircraft
having flown in the R.A.F. and more recently in a private capacity.
Best regards
Bill
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Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted |
The mind is like a parachute, if it isn't open it's no use!=0AGraham =0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: willydewey <willydewey@gmai
l.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 30 September 2014,
12:52=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-L
ist message posted by: "willydewey" <willydewey@gmail.com>=0A=0AThose are v
ery kind comments Rowland.....thank you.=0AMany have phoned/emailed me off
forum expressing similar views and I thank them also.=0AI have been put in
touch with a couple of vendors and expect to start my search in earnest thi
s weekend. You probably gather that I am not new to light aircraft having f
lown in the R.A.F. and more recently in a private capacity.=0ABest regards
=0ABill=0A=0A--------=0AGive a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
=- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle
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Hello all, Regarding the repositioning of the door strut it was I that d
eveloped the modification and posted it to the forum back in 2001. The
mod that Bud posted in his email is essentially what I developed and was
subsequently picked up by Europa as Mod 66, although I did not find it
necessary to reinforce the door with additional plies of glass. Thirtee
n years or so later the doors still look as good as the day I fitted the
m. The mod came to being because I noted that on Kim Prout's plane, as w
ell as a couple of others, that the corner of the door had lifted and wa
s proud of the fuselage which looked rather unsightly. This is due to t
he geometry and pressure of the gas strut as we have all come to realize
. However, I noted that by moving the mounting points around one could
take advantage of the strength of the curvature of the door and minimize
deformation. Simple, but effective. Anyway, I just had to jump in an
d correct the misinformation regarding the origin of the mod. Interesti
ngly, while at Oshkosh this year another building noted that I had incor
porated Mod 66, at which point I commented that it was the other way aro
und. :) Kind regards,Erich TrombleyN28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted |
On Sep 30, 2014, at 2:27 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Bill - welcome to the Europa community! I=92m astonished by the
comments that your posting has occasioned, but I alway try to understand
that people have different world views, and I usually excuse our friends
from other countries whose native language is not British English and
thus may have misunderstood your phrase =93silly prices=94.
There=92s an old quote about the US & the UK being =93two nations
divided by a common language=94=85and as the person who started this
unfortunate thread, let me say that I truly regret having expressed
=93astonishment=94 at the use of the term, =93silly prices=94 with
respect to the Europa which struck me as simply odd and perhaps
disrespectful to those who may claim value for their high levels of
craftsmanship and attention to detail. For this erroneous speculation, I
wish to express my profound apologies.
I too=85from afar...welcome you, Bill Dewey, to the Europa
community=85sorry to hear of the loss of your Alpi Pioneer 300=85I trust
you will find a Europa which will match your needs and expectations.
Best,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Door Strut Mod |
Eric,
I stand corrected, Bob may have copied it from your post on the list as
it was about the same time. Before my time on the list for sure.
It seems the PFA missed this mod or I just couldn't find it. It's a
shame as it is lighter and quite easy to do. Of course since Mod 66 is
in production, it will never be incorporated as a mod I suppose.
Regards,
Bud
From: Erich Trombley
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 11:04 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Door Strut Mod
Hello all,
Regarding the repositioning of the door strut it was I that developed
the modification and posted it to the forum back in 2001. The mod that
Bud posted in his email is essentially what I developed and was
subsequently picked up by Europa as Mod 66, although I did not find it
necessary to reinforce the door with additional plies of glass.
Thirteen years or so later the doors still look as good as the day I
fitted them.
The mod came to being because I noted that on Kim Prout's plane, as well
as a couple of others, that the corner of the door had lifted and was
proud of the fuselage which looked rather unsightly. This is due to the
geometry and pressure of the gas strut as we have all come to realize.
However, I noted that by moving the mounting points around one could
take advantage of the strength of the curvature of the door and minimize
deformation. Simple, but effective.
Anyway, I just had to jump in and correct the misinformation regarding
the origin of the mod. Interestingly, while at Oshkosh this year
another building noted that I had incorporated Mod 66, at which point I
commented that it was the other way around. :)
Kind regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
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