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1. 01:56 AM - Re: tailwheel pivot spiral pin (Rowland Carson)
2. 06:22 AM - Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Troy Maynor)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Max Cointe (Free))
4. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Peter Jeffers)
5. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Fred Klein)
6. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Pete Lawless)
7. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Fred Klein)
8. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Pete Lawless)
9. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Tony Renshaw)
10. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Bud Yerly)
11. 04:18 PM - Re: New Europa Owner (tonyvaccarella)
12. 04:21 PM - Re: Auto Pilot for Mono (tonyvaccarella)
13. 04:27 PM - Location of VOR - Nav antenna (tonyvaccarella)
14. 05:28 PM - Re: Identification of parts (tonyvaccarella)
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| Subject: | Re: tailwheel pivot spiral pin |
On 1 Oct 2014, at 15:25, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
> you should have a Y shaped part which stops the tailwheel over rotating, so the
pin is overkill.
> The pins usually break on the first minor excursion anyway.
Graham - thanks for that reassurance. I had forgotten about the Y-shaped piece
- I was just looking at the stuff in the build manual as opposed to the Mod 77
documentation.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
I agree with Bob. Preflight.... Just before throttle up check the doors...but
if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rear shoot bolts
that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you on the panel,
you are much less likely to take off with a door ajar. As to snagging the handle
in-flight and opening a door, there was a point in the building of the doors
where a simple flat piece of fiberglass is installed that hides the end of
the door handle requiring you to reach behind it to open the door latch. There
should not be a knob or handle extension of any kind attached to the door opening
lever that can be snagged with your shirt sleeve.
Troy
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rear
shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you
on the panel...
And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive.
Complicate cabling AND checklist.
> a simple flat piece of fiberglass is installed that hides the end of the
door handle ...
Did it after (unfortunately) second departure due to passenger elbow :-) I
do recommand it if not yet done
Max Cointe
mcointe@free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 520 hours
F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
Re door handle guard please refer to manual P34-8. It was a mandatory mod
originally then was incorporated as standard build procedure. Somehow some
builders seem to have missed this.
Pete Jeffers
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe
(Free)
Sent: 02 October 2014 14:44
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out
-horror
> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the
> rear
shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you
on the panel...
And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive.
Complicate cabling AND checklist.
> a simple flat piece of fiberglass is installed that hides the end of
> the
door handle ...
Did it after (unfortunately) second departure due to passenger elbow :-) I
do recommand it if not yet done
Max Cointe
mcointe@free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 520 hours
F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:
>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the
rear
> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front
of you
> on the panel...
> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still
alive.
> Complicate cabling AND checklist.
With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have
mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green
LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are
engaged=85no need for test button to ensure system is operational=85really
quite simple=85I=92ve also fabbed tabs on both doors which are located
so that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o relying on
passenger=85nonetheless: Checklists Rule !!
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
Hi Fred
So you are flying along with 2 green lights and one goes out. How do
you know if it is an electrical problem or the door shoot bolt not
engaged without a test switch?
(OK you will get a great blast of air through all the holes in the top
of the tunnel which would give a clue.)
You can see and feel the passenger shoot bolt with your right hand, and
feel the left seat shoot bolt in place with your left hand.
Regards
Pete
On 02/10/14 17:31, Fred Klein wrote:
>
> On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr
> <mailto:mcointe@free.fr>> wrote:
>
>>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the
>>> rear
>> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front
>> of you
>> on the panel...
>> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive.
>> Complicate cabling AND checklist.
>
> With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have
> mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green
> LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are
> engagedno need for test button to ensure system is operationalreally
> quite simpleIve also fabbed tabs on both doors which are located so
> that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o relying on
> passengernonetheless: Checklists Rule !!
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
Pete=85don=92t want to beat a dead horse here, but as you point out if
I=92m flying along and a light goes out, other clues as to what=92s
going on will be obvious. My sole reason for installing the LEDs is to
have an additional confirmation that all is well during preflight
checklist=85F.
On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
> Hi Fred
>
> So you are flying along with 2 green lights and one goes out. How do
you know if it is an electrical problem or the door shoot bolt not
engaged without a test switch?
> (OK you will get a great blast of air through all the holes in the top
of the tunnel which would give a clue.)
>
> You can see and feel the passenger shoot bolt with your right hand,
and feel the left seat shoot bolt in place with your left hand.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> On 02/10/14 17:31, Fred Klein wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr>
wrote:
>>
>>>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of
the rear
>>> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front
of you
>>> on the panel...
>>> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still
alive.
>>> Complicate cabling AND checklist.
>>
>> With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have
mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green
LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are
engaged=85no need for test button to ensure system is operational=85really
quite simple=85I=92ve also fabbed tabs on both doors which are located
so that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o relying on
passenger=85nonetheless: Checklists Rule !!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
Hi Fred
If you like lights that is good I am sure they work. It is just that it
is so easy to see the actual components that the light are checking.
Regards
Pete
On 02/10/14 19:40, Fred Klein wrote:
> Petedont want to beat a dead horse here, but as you point out if Im
> flying along and a light goes out, other clues as to whats going on
> will be obvious. My sole reason for installing the LEDs is to have an
> additional confirmation that all is well during preflight checklistF.
>
> On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info
> <mailto:pete@lawless.info>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Fred
>>
>> So you are flying along with 2 green lights and one goes out. How do
>> you know if it is an electrical problem or the door shoot bolt not
>> engaged without a test switch?
>> (OK you will get a great blast of air through all the holes in the
>> top of the tunnel which would give a clue.)
>>
>> You can see and feel the passenger shoot bolt with your right hand,
>> and feel the left seat shoot bolt in place with your left hand.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> On 02/10/14 17:31, Fred Klein wrote:
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr
>>> <mailto:mcointe@free.fr>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of
>>>>> the rear
>>>> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in
>>>> front of you
>>>> on the panel...
>>>> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive.
>>>> Complicate cabling AND checklist.
>>>
>>> With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have
>>> mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit
>>> green LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors
>>> are engagedno need for test button to ensure system is
>>> operationalreally quite simpleIve also fabbed tabs on both doors
>>> which are located so that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o
>>> relying on passengernonetheless: Checklists Rule !!
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
Hi Max,
Rather than 2 green door lights continually on, my intention is to have a s
ingle circuit through both shoot bolt switches, and if either isn't closed, t
he door and the circuit, a red light stays on, or inflight comes on. That wa
y, my panel has no lights unless something is wrong.
Tony R.
Sent from my iPad
> On 3 Oct 2014, at 2:31 am, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:
>
>>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rea
r
>> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of y
ou
>> on the panel...
>> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive.
>> Complicate cabling AND checklist.
>
> With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have mounted t
wo robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green LEDs on the pan
el when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are engagedno need f
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| Subject: | Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror |
Tony,
Just make sure you have a push to test as "no light" doesn't tell the
whole story. It's just test cirucuit and extra wire. I can build a
door in the time it would take to lead you through how to do it fail
safe with proper door plunger switches that are adjustable.
I just saw something the other day. A strap of line attached to the
door handle so his wife could pull the door down. It was a lovely
decorative line, worthy of any draperies. Too bad it catches your hand
anytime you reach your hand forward or aft. I guess his wife does not
touch the controls or move when she is in the plane. He had no door
guards either.
I'll just push on the door in the center after closing. If you push
firmly, you will assure a latched door or see it move.
Regards,
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Renshaw<mailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out
-horror
Hi Max,
Rather than 2 green door lights continually on, my intention is to
have a single circuit through both shoot bolt switches, and if either
isn't closed, the door and the circuit, a red light stays on, or
inflight comes on. That way, my panel has no lights unless something is
wrong.
Tony R.
Sent from my iPad
On 3 Oct 2014, at 2:31 am, Fred Klein
<fklein@orcasonline.com<mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com>> wrote:
On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free)
<mcointe@free.fr<mailto:mcointe@free.fr>> wrote:
but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of
the rear
shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in
front of you
on the panel...
And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still
alive.
Complicate cabling AND checklist.
With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have
mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green
LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are
engagedno need for test button to ensure system is
operationalreally quite simpleI=99ve also fabbed
tabs on both doors which are located so that pilot can reach to ensure
firm closure w/o relying on passengernonetheless: Checklists
Rule !!
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| Subject: | Re: New Europa Owner |
Hi Rick,
Congratulations on becoming a member of the "Europa Owners" club. I too am in your
situation with only getting hold of my partially built Europa EX about a month
ago. There is a lot of learning at this stage but the help on this forum
so far has been great and is an invaluable source of knowledge. Enjoy the ride.
Regards
Tony
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Tony Vaccarella
Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Auto Pilot for Mono |
Thank you to all who posted a reply to my query. Collectively you have convinced
me that these parts have nothing to do with the aircraft and I will leave them
until I can find some alternate use they can be adapted to.
Regards to all
Tony
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Tony Vaccarella
Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Location of VOR - Nav antenna |
Hi all,
I need to install a VOR antenna on my Europa XS. The previous owner had some co-axial
cable running through the stabiliser and protruding external in the rudder
well (about mid way up). I dont know what his plans were but since the stabiliser
is closed, Im trying to determine where and how the antenna (cats whiskers)
can me installed. Since I dont think I would be the first person to have
faced this challenge, I hope to dip into the font of knowledge of this forum.
Regards from Sydney
Tony
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Tony Vaccarella
Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Identification of parts |
Thank you to all who posted a reply to my query. Collectively you have convinced
me that these parts have nothing to do with the aircraft and I will leave them
until I can find some alternate use they can be adapted to.
Regards to all
Tony
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Tony Vaccarella
Mascot NSW 2020
Sydney Australia
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