---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/02/14: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - Re: tailwheel pivot spiral pin (Rowland Carson) 2. 06:22 AM - Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Troy Maynor) 3. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Max Cointe (Free)) 4. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Peter Jeffers) 5. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Fred Klein) 6. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Pete Lawless) 7. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Fred Klein) 8. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Pete Lawless) 9. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Tony Renshaw) 10. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror (Bud Yerly) 11. 04:18 PM - Re: New Europa Owner (tonyvaccarella) 12. 04:21 PM - Re: Auto Pilot for Mono (tonyvaccarella) 13. 04:27 PM - Location of VOR - Nav antenna (tonyvaccarella) 14. 05:28 PM - Re: Identification of parts (tonyvaccarella) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: tailwheel pivot spiral pin From: Rowland Carson On 1 Oct 2014, at 15:25, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > you should have a Y shaped part which stops the tailwheel over rotating, so the pin is overkill. > The pins usually break on the first minor excursion anyway. Graham - thanks for that reassurance. I had forgotten about the Y-shaped piece - I was just looking at the stuff in the build manual as opposed to the Mod 77 documentation. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror From: "Troy Maynor" I agree with Bob. Preflight.... Just before throttle up check the doors...but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rear shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you on the panel, you are much less likely to take off with a door ajar. As to snagging the handle in-flight and opening a door, there was a point in the building of the doors where a simple flat piece of fiberglass is installed that hides the end of the door handle requiring you to reach behind it to open the door latch. There should not be a knob or handle extension of any kind attached to the door opening lever that can be snagged with your shirt sleeve. Troy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431390#431390 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:45:05 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe (Free)" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror > but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rear shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you on the panel... And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive. Complicate cabling AND checklist. > a simple flat piece of fiberglass is installed that hides the end of the door handle ... Did it after (unfortunately) second departure due to passenger elbow :-) I do recommand it if not yet done Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 520 hours F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:54 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror Re door handle guard please refer to manual P34-8. It was a mandatory mod originally then was incorporated as standard build procedure. Somehow some builders seem to have missed this. Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Max Cointe (Free) Sent: 02 October 2014 14:44 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror > but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the > rear shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you on the panel... And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive. Complicate cabling AND checklist. > a simple flat piece of fiberglass is installed that hides the end of > the door handle ... Did it after (unfortunately) second departure due to passenger elbow :-) I do recommand it if not yet done Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 520 hours F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:50 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) wrote: >> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rear > shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you > on the panel... > And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive. > Complicate cabling AND checklist. With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are engaged=85no need for test button to ensure system is operational=85really quite simple=85I=92ve also fabbed tabs on both doors which are located so that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o relying on passenger=85nonetheless: Checklists Rule !! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:04 AM PST US From: Pete Lawless Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror Hi Fred So you are flying along with 2 green lights and one goes out. How do you know if it is an electrical problem or the door shoot bolt not engaged without a test switch? (OK you will get a great blast of air through all the holes in the top of the tunnel which would give a clue.) You can see and feel the passenger shoot bolt with your right hand, and feel the left seat shoot bolt in place with your left hand. Regards Pete On 02/10/14 17:31, Fred Klein wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) > wrote: > >>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the >>> rear >> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front >> of you >> on the panel... >> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive. >> Complicate cabling AND checklist. > > With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have > mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green > LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are > engagedno need for test button to ensure system is operationalreally > quite simpleIve also fabbed tabs on both doors which are located so > that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o relying on > passengernonetheless: Checklists Rule !! > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:26 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror Pete=85don=92t want to beat a dead horse here, but as you point out if I=92m flying along and a light goes out, other clues as to what=92s going on will be obvious. My sole reason for installing the LEDs is to have an additional confirmation that all is well during preflight checklist=85F. On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Pete Lawless wrote: > Hi Fred > > So you are flying along with 2 green lights and one goes out. How do you know if it is an electrical problem or the door shoot bolt not engaged without a test switch? > (OK you will get a great blast of air through all the holes in the top of the tunnel which would give a clue.) > > You can see and feel the passenger shoot bolt with your right hand, and feel the left seat shoot bolt in place with your left hand. > > Regards > > Pete > > On 02/10/14 17:31, Fred Klein wrote: >> >> On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) wrote: >> >>>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rear >>> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you >>> on the panel... >>> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive. >>> Complicate cabling AND checklist. >> >> With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are engaged=85no need for test button to ensure system is operational=85really quite simple=85I=92ve also fabbed tabs on both doors which are located so that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o relying on passenger=85nonetheless: Checklists Rule !! >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:16 PM PST US From: Pete Lawless Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror Hi Fred If you like lights that is good I am sure they work. It is just that it is so easy to see the actual components that the light are checking. Regards Pete On 02/10/14 19:40, Fred Klein wrote: > Petedont want to beat a dead horse here, but as you point out if Im > flying along and a light goes out, other clues as to whats going on > will be obvious. My sole reason for installing the LEDs is to have an > additional confirmation that all is well during preflight checklistF. > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:23 AM, Pete Lawless > wrote: > >> Hi Fred >> >> So you are flying along with 2 green lights and one goes out. How do >> you know if it is an electrical problem or the door shoot bolt not >> engaged without a test switch? >> (OK you will get a great blast of air through all the holes in the >> top of the tunnel which would give a clue.) >> >> You can see and feel the passenger shoot bolt with your right hand, >> and feel the left seat shoot bolt in place with your left hand. >> >> Regards >> >> Pete >> >> On 02/10/14 17:31, Fred Klein wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) >> > wrote: >>> >>>>> but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of >>>>> the rear >>>> shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in >>>> front of you >>>> on the panel... >>>> And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive. >>>> Complicate cabling AND checklist. >>> >>> With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have >>> mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit >>> green LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors >>> are engagedno need for test button to ensure system is >>> operationalreally quite simpleIve also fabbed tabs on both doors >>> which are located so that pilot can reach to ensure firm closure w/o >>> relying on passengernonetheless: Checklists Rule !! >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> * >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:25 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror Hi Max, Rather than 2 green door lights continually on, my intention is to have a s ingle circuit through both shoot bolt switches, and if either isn't closed, t he door and the circuit, a red light stays on, or inflight comes on. That wa y, my panel has no lights unless something is wrong. Tony R. 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It's just test cirucuit and extra wire. I can build a door in the time it would take to lead you through how to do it fail safe with proper door plunger switches that are adjustable. I just saw something the other day. A strap of line attached to the door handle so his wife could pull the door down. It was a lovely decorative line, worthy of any draperies. Too bad it catches your hand anytime you reach your hand forward or aft. I guess his wife does not touch the controls or move when she is in the plane. He had no door guards either. I'll just push on the door in the center after closing. If you push firmly, you will assure a latched door or see it move. Regards, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Renshaw To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror Hi Max, Rather than 2 green door lights continually on, my intention is to have a single circuit through both shoot bolt switches, and if either isn't closed, the door and the circuit, a red light stays on, or inflight comes on. That way, my panel has no lights unless something is wrong. Tony R. Sent from my iPad On 3 Oct 2014, at 2:31 am, Fred Klein > wrote: On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) > wrote: but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the rear shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of you on the panel... And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive. Complicate cabling AND checklist. 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I too am in your situation with only getting hold of my partially built Europa EX about a month ago. There is a lot of learning at this stage but the help on this forum so far has been great and is an invaluable source of knowledge. Enjoy the ride. Regards Tony -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431423#431423 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:16 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Auto Pilot for Mono From: "tonyvaccarella" Thank you to all who posted a reply to my query. Collectively you have convinced me that these parts have nothing to do with the aircraft and I will leave them until I can find some alternate use they can be adapted to. Regards to all Tony -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431424#431424 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:27 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Location of VOR - Nav antenna From: "tonyvaccarella" Hi all, I need to install a VOR antenna on my Europa XS. The previous owner had some co-axial cable running through the stabiliser and protruding external in the rudder well (about mid way up). I dont know what his plans were but since the stabiliser is closed, Im trying to determine where and how the antenna (cats whiskers) can me installed. Since I dont think I would be the first person to have faced this challenge, I hope to dip into the font of knowledge of this forum. Regards from Sydney Tony -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431425#431425 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:45 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts From: "tonyvaccarella" Thank you to all who posted a reply to my query. Collectively you have convinced me that these parts have nothing to do with the aircraft and I will leave them until I can find some alternate use they can be adapted to. 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