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1. 01:00 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Europaul383)
2. 01:13 AM - Re: Fitting a 100HP to Classic (David Watts)
3. 01:46 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Remi Guerner)
4. 02:13 AM - Re: Re: OAT probe location (Alan Burrill)
5. 05:27 AM - Re: OAT probe location (h&jeuropa)
6. 07:16 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Bud Yerly)
7. 08:40 AM - Fw: Re: OAT probe location (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
8. 08:45 AM - Fw: Re: Identification of parts (Bud Yerly)
9. 12:22 PM - Swiss Tony (Neville Eyre)
10. 01:14 PM - Re: Swiss Tony (rampil)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: Swiss Tony (Brian Davies)
12. 03:04 PM - Re: Swiss Tony (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
13. 03:07 PM - Re: Swiss Tony (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
14. 03:16 PM - OAT probe location (Fred Klein)
15. 03:36 PM - Re: Swiss Tony (Peter Zutrauen)
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
How about the stbd fuel tank outlet access panel? If it didn't work out you could
reposition it, without having to patch a hole in the fuse...
Paul M
383 XS Mono 912s
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting a 100HP to Classic |
John,
I removed the 912UL from my Classic Monowheel at 900 hours and now have 1200 hours
on the 912ULS that I fitted in its place with no problems to report. The only
alteration I made was to fit the UL starter instead of the ULS as there is
not enough room for the longer ULS starter and I fitted the Conair Soft Start
to help with that situation. In fact the latest ULS comes with built in Soft
Start. Other than that it is just a straightforward swap.
Dave Watts G-BXDY
> On 5 Oct 2014, at 07:01, db308 <dino.agnes@internode.on.net> wrote:
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> What is required to fit a 100HP Rotax ULS into a Classic Europa?
> Thanks for any info/tips/tricks from anyone who has gone down this path.
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Fred,
My OAT probe is installed inside the air intake of the Rotax cylinder cooling baffle.
Pic attached. It works fine in flight, the measured error being less than
one degree C.
However, during ground operation, the indicated temperature is useless as it is
greatly influenced by the engine heat.
This works for me.
Regards
Remi
F-PGKL
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Mines installed in the air intake for the radiators and works for me. I certainly
dont see the ram air effect raising the temperature.
Alan
G-OBJT
On 5 Oct 2014, at 09:44, Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> wrote:
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> My OAT probe is installed inside the air intake of the Rotax cylinder cooling
baffle. Pic attached. It works fine in flight, the measured error being less
than one degree C.
> However, during ground operation, the indicated temperature is useless as it
is greatly influenced by the engine heat.
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Fred,
Ours is just tie wrapped to wires in the space covered by the starboard wing fairing
aft of the spar and works fine. Our fairing is taped to the fuselage but
the rear end is open, not sealed like yours. We had it in the fairing for the
port flap cross tube hinge (FL18) but it got a lot of heat from the exhaust.
Heather reports the forward face of the starboard footwell stays comfortable with
our 914 setup since it gets air from the inlet for the turbo but that probably
is different on your Subaru setup.
How about locating it in the access panel on the starboard side under the starboard
tailplane?
Jim & Heather
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
Fred,
I have seen a number of installations and tried a few myself.
Flap area as you have heard works well.
Just aft of the rear wing attach (good airflow through the pip pin hole I
guess).
At the fairing for the stabilator just forward of the metal bracket TP12.
If centered it doesn't interfere with the stab.
In the tail post lower end, in a trigear with the bottom of the rudder cut
off as per the manual.
Under the passenger seat near the wing fillet out in the stream. (Retrofit
idea it put the magnatometer and OAT together under the pax seat. Quick and
easy worked great. On autopilots installed though.)
In a NACA duct coming into the cockpit. The duct was equipped with a plenum
off the NACA to allow ball type inlet control, and this gave room for the
probe.
In a tail fin mounted NACA duct which funneled air up to the cockpit.
In the 914 engine inlet metal duct work just forward of the air filter.
Note that his is subject to the heated duct and must be insulated from
that heat transfer. Terrible on the ground between sorties.
In the 914 duct on the vertical metal below the oil tank. (Ran high all the
time.)
In the 912 XS Airbox. Just under the filter in the fiberglass box, it is
not bad but is just a bit warmer than outside air, better if attached just
in the free air coming into the filter on the top of the airbox where it can
sense the NACA airflow coming into the engine...
Note, same problem on the ground above.
In the metal air inlet face just inside the fiberglass cowl on the XS.
Note, same problem on the ground as above. Lots of bugs too.
In a custom made flap bracket cover on the starboard side (a modified
teardrop, with a 1/4 inch hole dedicated to allow air to impact the probe
and go out through a vent in the rear of the teardrop.) Nicely done.
Supposedly worked and I can't see why not.
The above positions all worked in-flight OK.
Lessons learned:
Anything in the tail meant more wire, voltage drop and weight.
Anything in the engine, meant insulation from heat.
Anything on the outside of the skin meant hitting it when washing. Not
unlike civil air probes. They just stick it out the side of the aircraft
where convenient.
Anything on the gaps in the flight controls meant extreme care to assure no
interference.
Not so well working:
Mounted on top of the aircraft near the fuel vents in a mono. The sun
heated it and it was always high in the summer and just OK in winter.
In the port wing near the end of the flap in a Classic. Hot exhaust must
collect under the wing or something. Plus it was another connector to
disconnect. I had to move this clients probe to the starboard side.
In the cockpit tunnel for the mono forward of the gear just below the panel.
Seems hot air coming in from the leaky firewall was the culprit. Moved to
belly.
Good luck Fred.
Regards,
Bud
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From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:13 PM
Subject: Europa-List: OAT probe location
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> All,
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> I offer half my kingdom to anyone who will give me a proven location for
> an OAT thermocouple which is part of my aftermarket EMS.
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> with appreciation,
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> Fred
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| Subject: | Re: OAT probe location |
My temperature probe is installed=C2-under the roof skin, betw
een the two doors. It doesn't stick out=C2- but is bonded
to the underside of the outer glassfibre skin, using aluminium
filings mixed with epoxy.=0AThis was on purpose to be ab
le to measure skin temperature while parked in the sun. But
it seems also to read air temperature correctly when in flig
ht, as calibrated=C2-using a thermocouple to=C2-compare with=C2-
the temperature of air coming through the NACA vents.=0A=C2-
=0ADuncan McF.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----
=0AFrom: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matroni
cs.com=0ASent: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 15:24=0ASubject: Re: Europa-L
ist: OAT probe location=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted
by: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFred,=C2
-=0AI have seen a number of installations and tried a f
ew myself.=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFlap area as you have heard work
s well.=C2-=0AJust aft of the rear wing attach (good airf
low through the pip pin hole I guess).=C2-=0AAt the fairi
ng for the stabilator just forward of the metal bracket TP12
. If centered it doesn't interfere with the stab.=C2-=0AIn
the tail post lower end, in a trigear with the bottom of
the rudder cut off as per the manual.=C2-=0AUnder the pas
senger seat near the wing fillet out in the stream. (Retrofi
t idea it put the magnatometer and OAT together under the
pax seat. Quick and easy worked great. On autopilots installed
though.)=C2-=0AIn a NACA duct coming into the cockpit. T
he duct was equipped with a plenum off the NACA to allow
ball type inlet control, and this gave room for the probe.=C2
-=0AIn a tail fin mounted NACA duct which funneled air
up to the cockpit.=C2-=0AIn the 914 engine inlet metal du
ct work just forward of the air filter.=C2-=0A=C2- Note
that his is subject to the heated duct and must be insulat
ed from that heat transfer. Terrible on the ground between s
orties.=C2-=0AIn the 914 duct on the vertical metal below
the oil tank. (Ran high all the time.)=C2-=0AIn the 912
XS Airbox. Just under the filter in the fiberglass box, it
is not bad but is just a bit warmer than outside air, be
tter if attached just in the free air coming into the filt
er on the top of the airbox where it can sense the NACA
airflow coming into the engine...=C2-=0A=C2- Note, same pro
blem on the ground above.=C2-=0AIn the metal air inlet fa
ce just inside the fiberglass cowl on the XS.=C2-=0A=C2-
Note, same problem on the ground as above. Lots of bugs to
o.=C2-=0AIn a custom made flap bracket cover on the starb
oard side (a modified teardrop, with a 1/4 inch hole dedicat
ed to allow air to impact the probe and go out through a
vent in the rear of the teardrop.) Nicely done. Supposedly
worked and I can't see why not.=C2-=0A=C2-=0AThe above
positions all worked in-flight OK.=C2-=0A=C2-=0ALessons lear
ned:=C2-=0AAnything in the tail meant more wire, voltage dr
op and weight.=C2-=0AAnything in the engine, meant insulation
from heat.=C2-=0AAnything on the outside of the skin mea
nt hitting it when washing. Not unlike civil air probes. The
y just stick it out the side of the aircraft where conveni
ent.=C2-=0AAnything on the gaps in the flight controls mean
t extreme care to assure no interference.=C2-=0A=C2-=0ANot
so well working:=C2-=0AMounted on top of the aircraft ne
ar the fuel vents in a mono. The sun heated it and it
was always high in the summer and just OK in winter.=C2-
=0AIn the port wing near the end of the flap in a Classi
c. Hot exhaust must collect under the wing or something. Plu
s it was another connector to disconnect. I had to move th
is clients probe to the starboard side.=C2-=0AIn the cockpi
t tunnel for the mono forward of the gear just below the
panel. Seems hot air coming in from the leaky firewall was
the culprit. Moved to belly.=C2-=0A=C2-=0AGood luck Fred.=C2
-=0ARegards,=C2-=0ABud=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A------------
--------------------------------------=C2-=0AFrom: "Fred Klein" <f
klein@orcasonline.com>=C2-=0ASent: Saturday, October 04, 2014
5:13 PM=C2-=0ATo: <europa-list@matronics.com>=C2-=0ASubject:
Europa-List: OAT probe location=C2-=0A=C2-=0A> -->
Europa-List message posted by: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com
>=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A> All,=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A> I
offer half my kingdom to anyone who will give me a proven
location for > an OAT thermocouple which is part of my
=9Caftermarket=9D EMS.=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A> with ap
preciation,=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A> Fred=C2-=0A>=C2-=0A&g
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| Subject: | Re: Identification of parts |
Will,
My old shop computer failed to send this.
Trying again. If the photo doesn't show, email me off line.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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From: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts
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Will,
Indeed. I have them in 12AY. They have served me for years.
However, this annual I will get rid of them.
In 12AY I did, as I think others have, and flipped the brake brackets
over and I screwed them into reinforced places in the top of my module.
They work great for steering and general stuff. As the brake pads wear
on a long taxi out and back over the months (and letting clients fly my
plane and get used to brakes and steering), no new fluid can come into
my cylinder to replenish. Eventually air does. So I fill them up. But
they must be tail end high to fill absolutely full. That means I
unscrew them, fit the funnel Andy Draper made ( I use 5606), fill it up,
then siphon off the excess, remove the screw in funnel, and insert my
cap. Is it hard, no, but there are better ways for lazy guys like me.
True, a one shot system, as shown, has its downfalls:
Any leak means no brake left. The reservoir cannot compensate to get
you to the chocks.
As pads wear, no replenishment as above and you get spongy brakes.
The piston and throw is just undersized for our disk for full braking.
(We're not supposed to use the brakes except to stop when we taxi so who
cares.)
Plus side is they are dirt simple. Anybody can figure them out.
Cheap. Especially in the UK where the fittings are off the shelf.
Just OK on the braking as the piston diameter / volume is smaller than
recommended for the disk we have. But I can't tell.
An access hole has to be made for servicing in the tunnel.
(Personal Problem: ) My wife asks, "Why is there an ugly hole there?"
"Oh I had to fill my brakes, and didn't want to put the cover plate back
on after filling. Besides, I still have to check the brake pads and
such to find out why my fluid was down." "OK, then why am I flying with
you with bad brakes?" "They are not bad.....etc."
Matco's or Jamar plus:
Minor leaks won't leave you brakeless.
Pad wear is never a problem with fluid level.
Matco is genuine aircraft quality. All parts and fittings are aircraft
standard.
Jamar is a higher capacity brake and you can no kidding hold the brakes
with 10 inch handles and skid the tires on run-up with only minor
pressure.
I don't have to fiddle with British pipe thread hokum fittings or find
Department of Transportation fittings (read as leaky) to mount lines and
fittings. It's aircraft. Everything fits and works.
I don't have to fiddle with re-filling as the brake pads wear. The
reservoir fills them without bubbles.
Once initially bled, they are virtually maintenance free. Check that,
they are brilliantly reliable. If installed with the reservoir side
elevated, this allows very easy bleeding and hands off reservoir
replenishment.
On the minus side:
Frankly it is tougher to mount them than flipping the brackets on the
old style one shot, as platforms have to be made.
You need a big hole in the tunnel to access them.
Matco's are expensive by comparison at over $130 each. Even as a dealer
I pay through the nose. We're aircraft owners, and by definition are
rich, so who cares about price....
Jamar's price is not so bad... But again, it is automotive.
The transition of the Matco to a hand brake is a hardware part count
nightmare. I'm working on it for a direct replacement for my cart brake
setup. Reducing parts count mainly.
The Jamar is a hand brake, so it is much easier to install, but...If you
fail to secure the pivot bolts with Loctite, and the screw rattles out,
you're out of a brake instantly.
Inspection required: Your first indication you have a problem is poor
braking due to pad wear as you are on the rivets. Why you ask, would
you let them go that long. They are so reliable, you fail to check them
except on annual rather than on a 25 hour.. With clients using my
plane, in ten flights I lost half my pad life until they figured out the
technique. Soon I had no braking as the rivets in the pads do not give
good friction. OOPS. Now I do a 25 hour airframe inspection as well as
oil change.
Yes, I agree the old go cart brakes do work. I even installed a park
brake and it works fine with the one shots. However, after building
airplanes for so many years now, I no longer want go cart equipment in
my airplane and want to change to aircraft standard brake master
cylinders, with genuine aircraft parts I can order from Matco... If I
sell the plane, anybody can look at the brakes and say, "yea its Matco,
I can fix that."
Just a matter of preference.
Regards
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.<>
The park brake and masters are shown. I installed an aluminum
hard point into the underside of the top of the tunnel and counter sunk
screws hold the parts in place in the nutplates shown.
----- Original Message -----
From: William Daniell<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts
Can one use the old style foot cylinders as finger bakes?
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Bud Yerly
<budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote:
Thomas,
The part is a Jamar twin cylinder steering brake used in the US for
some time in trick cars or "drifting".
It is a good master cylinder for the Europa Trigear with hand
(finger) brakes. We have little trouble with them. It usually is the
install and bleeding techniques that cause trouble... I have clients
with the Jamar and have been trouble free for 10 years. We change fluid
about every 3-5 years due to moisture concerns or discoloration in the
reservoir fluid.
Note:
Handles must be at least 9 inches long from the piston up for very
easy operation.
Bleeding this master cylinder is a bit of a pain. It must be
installed so that it can be layed on its side to bleed. The bleed hole
is a horizontally drilled hole so to bleed by pressure from the wheel,
one must lay the Jamar on its side with the bleeded side down and rock
it to assure a bubble free piston.
Originally these were shipped without the inside of the bores
cleaned of polishing fluid as it was assumed one would not operate the
brakes without reading the Jamar instructions and disassemble and clean
them. Unfortunately, Europa and others failed to include this
instruction. A new rubber kit is only $30 US.
Jamar recomends bench bleeding. I'm too lazy.
Works with any type fluid. We recommend Dot 5 (silicone) or Mil
5606 hydraulic fluid. Dot 5 doesn't stain paint or interior in most
cases. Mil 5606 is industry standard, but the red sticky fluid will
stain everything if left to sit.
See the attached bleeding guide and how we do park brake installs
for easier bleeding and operation... We do a complete bleed in about 45
minutes for both sides. If your brakes were installed permanently, then
I suggest you make sure you can service them. In my opinion, nothing
should be built into an airplane you can't easily remove to service,
repair or replace. Nothing.
Best Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Scherer<mailto:thomas@scherer.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts
further to the recent discussion abt parts, I have found in my
building
shack the attached part which I do not find in the build manual.
It
seems to be aviation grade and possibly related to the control
linkage
of the MG-speed brakes.
Any suggestions what this could be / or not Europa-related ?
Thank you in advance
<Thomas, N81EU>
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=0AHi All, a message to all L.A.A Members,=0AWe have the
LAA AGM coming up in November, I intend to submit a propos
al that no work from the [in] famous photographer who used
to run [ into the ground] Europa, be used in the LAA Mag
azine,[ initials of this git are KW, I don't want to spell
out his name as he is vain enough to be Googling himsel
f and a searchbot might bring this up ?] For those of yo
u not familiar with the name Swiss Tony, he was a characte
r on the TV's ''Fast Show'' look on Youtube to see how
that fits !=0AIf I propose the motion, I have someone who
lost a lot of money to him who will second it, I need
all the rest of you [ and as many non Europa LAA members
as you can rustle up ] to vote with the proxy form in
this months Mag' [ reverse side of address sheet]=0AAny bac
kers ?=0ACheers,=0ANev=0A
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I can't vote, but I'm with you Nev!
In the US, he would not be using a camera, he'd be in jail.
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Ira N224XS
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Sorry Nev, I am not with you on this one.
This happened over 10 years ago and an attempt was made, and lost, to get
magazine editors to boycott his material at that time.
I also think this is the wrong place to be raising this issue- this is not
what the forum is all about.
Time to move on Nev.
Brian Davies
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neville Eyre
Sent: 05 October 2014 20:22
Subject: Europa-List: Swiss Tony
Hi All, a message to all L.A.A Members,
We have the LAA AGM coming up in November, I intend to submit a proposal
that no work from the [in] famous photographer who used to run [ into the
ground] Europa, be used in the LAA Magazine,[ initials of this git are KW, I
don't want to spell out his name as he is vain enough to be Googling himself
and a searchbot might bring this up ?] For those of you not familiar with
the name Swiss Tony, he was a character on the TV's ''Fast Show'' look on
Youtube to see how that fits !
If I propose the motion, I have someone who lost a lot of money to him who
will second it, I need all the rest of you [ and as many non Europa LAA
members as you can rustle up ] to vote with the proxy form in this months
Mag' [ reverse side of address sheet]
Any backers ?
Cheers,
Nev
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YES!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Nevil
le Eyre <neveyre@aol.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday,
5 October 2014, 20:21=0ASubject: Europa-List: Swiss Tony=0A =0A=0A=0AHi All
,- a message to all L.A.A Members,=0AWe have the-LAA AGM coming up in N
ovember, I intend to submit a proposal that no work from the [in] famous ph
otographer who used to run [ into the ground] Europa, be used in the LAA Ma
gazine,[ initials of this git are KW, I don't-want to spell out his name
as he is vain enough to be Googling himself and a searchbot might bring thi
s up ?] For those of you not familiar with the name Swiss Tony, he was a ch
aracter on the TV's- ''Fast Show''-look on Youtube to see how that fits
!=0AIf I propose the motion, I have someone who lost a lot of money to him
who will second it, I need all the rest of you [ and as many non Europa LA
A-members as you can rustle up ] to vote with the proxy form in this mont
hs Mag' [ reverse side of address sheet]=0AAny backers ?=0ACheers,=0ANev
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Brian=0Aseveral of my friends where robbed by this man. It is unfortunate t
hat the legal=0Asystem allows thieves to succeed. The bigger the theft the
easier it is it seems to me,=0AOnce guilty always guilty imho=0A=0AGraham
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Brian Davies <brian.d
avies@clara.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 5 Octob
er 2014, 22:53=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Swiss Tony=0A =0A=0A=0ASorry Nev
,- I am not with you on this one.=0A-=0AThis happened over 10 years ago
and an attempt was made, and lost, to get magazine editors to boycott his
material at that time.=0A-=0AI also think this is the wrong place to be r
aising this issue- this is not what the forum is all about.=0A-=0ATime to
move on Nev.=0A-=0ABrian Davies=0A-=0AFrom:owner-europa-list-server@ma
tronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ne
ville Eyre=0ASent: 05 October 2014 20:22=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0A
Subject: Europa-List: Swiss Tony=0A-=0AHi All,- a message to all L.A.A
Members,=0AWe have the-LAA AGM coming up in November, I intend to submit
a proposal that no work from the [in] famous photographer who used to run [
into the ground] Europa, be used in the LAA Magazine,[ initials of this gi
t are KW, I don't-want to spell out his name as he is vain enough to be G
oogling himself and a searchbot might bring this up ?] For those of you not
familiar with the name Swiss Tony, he was a character on the TV's- ''Fas
t Show''-look on Youtube to see how that fits !=0AIf I propose the motion
, I have someone who lost a lot of money to him who will second it, I need
all the rest of you [ and as many non Europa LAA-members as you can rustl
e up ] to vote with the proxy form in this months Mag' [ reverse side of ad
dress sheet]=0AAny backers ?=0ACheers,=0ANev=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?Europa-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.m
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Allthank you very much for all the thoughtful repliesmany good choices indeedFred
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Pity I'm not an LAA member, as I would definitely offer my proxy.
Go Nev Go!
-Pete
A239
one of the many defrauded
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>
wrote:
> Sorry Nev, I am *not *with you on this one.
>
>
> This happened over 10 years ago and an attempt was made, and lost, to get
> magazine editors to boycott his material at that time.
>
>
> I also think this is the wrong place to be raising this issue- this is not
> what the forum is all about.
>
>
> Time to move on Nev.
>
>
> Brian Davies
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Neville Eyre
> *Sent:* 05 October 2014 20:22
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Europa-List: Swiss Tony
>
>
> Hi All, a message to all L.A.A Members,
>
> We have the LAA AGM coming up in November, I intend to submit a proposal
> that no work from the [in] famous photographer who used to run [ into the
> ground] Europa, be used in the LAA Magazine,[ initials of this git are KW,
> I don't want to spell out his name as he is vain enough to be Googling
> himself and a searchbot might bring this up ?] For those of you not
> familiar with the name Swiss Tony, he was a character on the TV's ''Fast
> Show'' look on Youtube to see how that fits !
>
> If I propose the motion, I have someone who lost a lot of money to him who
> will second it, I need all the rest of you [ and as many non Europa
> LAA members as you can rustle up ] to vote with the proxy form in this
> months Mag' [ reverse side of address sheet]
>
> Any backers ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nev
>
>
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>
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