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Mon 10/06/14


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 12:20 AM - Monowheel for sale (AUVRAY Michel)
     2. 01:23 AM - Re: Swiss Tony (Peter Jeffers)
     3. 02:22 AM - Roll pin coming out of LG08S + bungee (John Archer)
     4. 03:07 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Identification of parts (William Daniell)
     5. 03:41 AM - Re: Swiss Tony (david park)
     6. 07:51 AM - Re: Fw: Re: Identification of parts (Bud Yerly)
     7. 08:07 AM - Fw: OAT probe location (Bud Yerly)
     8. 11:33 AM - Re: OAT probe location (Fred Klein)
     9. 02:12 PM - Re: Swiss Tony (Martymason)
    10. 07:39 PM - Rotax 912 iS Info (Karl Heindl)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:20:20 AM PST US
    From: AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr>
    Subject: Monowheel for sale
    I sale my monowheel, N 145, 520 hours flight fully equiped, contact me off list for more informations. mau11@orange.fr Michel AUVRAY --- Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. http://www.avast.com


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    Time: 01:23:03 AM PST US
    From: "Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Swiss Tony
    Hi Nev, As promised at the Rally you can count me in. Pete PS I received the OCTOBER mag a week or so ago and have long since ditched to address sheet. Suggestions please From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neville Eyre Sent: 05 October 2014 20:22 Subject: Europa-List: Swiss Tony Hi All, a message to all L.A.A Members, We have the LAA AGM coming up in November, I intend to submit a proposal that no work from the [in] famous photographer who used to run [ into the ground] Europa, be used in the LAA Magazine,[ initials of this git are KW, I don't want to spell out his name as he is vain enough to be Googling himself and a searchbot might bring this up ?] For those of you not familiar with the name Swiss Tony, he was a character on the TV's ''Fast Show'' look on Youtube to see how that fits ! If I propose the motion, I have someone who lost a lot of money to him who will second it, I need all the rest of you [ and as many non Europa LAA members as you can rustle up ] to vote with the proxy form in this months Mag' [ reverse side of address sheet] Any backers ? Cheers, Nev


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    Time: 02:22:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Roll pin coming out of LG08S + bungee
    From: John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com>
    Hello, While changing the shock absorber on my mono wheel I noticed that the 6 mm roll pin that actuates the flaps and outriggers via LG08S had worked it's way out of it's hole by about 15 mm (see build manual 21 M-4). I was able to get a G clamp across the flange and push it back into position and it is a good fit with no play. I would however, like to ensure that this doesn't happen again. As the pin is hollow I was thinking of putting a 3 mm bolt through the pin with Nyloc nuts and washers at each end. Would this be acceptable and has anyone else had this problem? Changing the shock absorber increased prop clearance by 80 mm as the old "red" one had become "squashed" over time. I had to use clamps to assist putting the M8 bolts and getting down to 79 MM between plates, this has made the suspension much harder than previously. I will have a completely different aircraft to fly next time out! On another subject, how much of what diameter bungee is required for the mono wheel retraction system and above all, how do you go about replacing it? Regards John Mono 192


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    Time: 03:07:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Identification of parts
    From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
    Bud Thanks Phew...I did almost exactly that. I used the foot bracket screwed upside down to the tunnel. When I stared nev advised me to open the belly per the mono (mine is a tri) which gives me access to all that stuff that goes in the tunnel. Thanks Will On 5 Oct 2014 10:50, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > Will, > My old shop computer failed to send this. > Trying again. If the photo doesn't show, email me off line. > Regards, > Bud Yerly > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:51 PM > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts > > =EF=BB Photo E-mail View slideshow | Download images > Will, > Indeed. I have them in 12AY. They have served me for years. > > However, this annual I will get rid of them. > In 12AY I did, as I think others have, and flipped the brake brackets ove r > and I screwed them into reinforced places in the top of my module. > They work great for steering and general stuff. As the brake pads wear o n > a long taxi out and back over the months (and letting clients fly my plan e > and get used to brakes and steering), no new fluid can come into my > cylinder to replenish. Eventually air does. So I fill them up. But the y > must be tail end high to fill absolutely full. That means I unscrew them , > fit the funnel Andy Draper made ( I use 5606), fill it up, then siphon of f > the excess, remove the screw in funnel, and insert my cap. Is it hard, n o, > but there are better ways for lazy guys like me. > > True, a one shot system, as shown, has its downfalls: > Any leak means no brake left. The reservoir cannot compensate to get you > to the chocks. > As pads wear, no replenishment as above and you get spongy brakes. > The piston and throw is just undersized for our disk for full braking. > (We're not supposed to use the brakes except to stop when we taxi so who > cares.) > > Plus side is they are dirt simple. Anybody can figure them out. > Cheap. Especially in the UK where the fittings are off the shelf. > Just OK on the braking as the piston diameter / volume is smaller > than recommended for the disk we have. But I can't tell. > An access hole has to be made for servicing in the tunnel. > (Personal Problem: ) My wife asks, "Why is there an ugly hole there?" > "Oh I had to fill my brakes, and didn't want to put the cover plate back on > after filling. Besides, I still have to check the brake pads and such to > find out why my fluid was down." "OK, then why am I flying with you with > bad brakes?" "They are not bad.....etc." > > Matco's or Jamar plus: > Minor leaks won't leave you brakeless. > Pad wear is never a problem with fluid level. > Matco is genuine aircraft quality. All parts and fittings are aircraft > standard. > Jamar is a higher capacity brake and you can no kidding hold the brakes > with 10 inch handles and skid the tires on run-up with only minor pressur e. > I don't have to fiddle with British pipe thread hokum fittings or find > Department of Transportation fittings (read as leaky) to mount lines and > fittings. It's aircraft. Everything fits and works. > I don't have to fiddle with re-filling as the brake pads wear. The > reservoir fills them without bubbles. > Once initially bled, they are virtually maintenance free. Check that, > they are brilliantly reliable. If installed with the reservoir > side elevated, this allows very easy bleeding and hands off reservoir > replenishment. > > On the minus side: > Frankly it is tougher to mount them than flipping the brackets on the old > style one shot, as platforms have to be made. > You need a big hole in the tunnel to access them. > Matco's are expensive by comparison at over $130 each. Even as a dealer I > pay through the nose. We're aircraft owners, and by definition are rich, > so who cares about price.... > Jamar's price is not so bad... But again, it is automotive. > The transition of the Matco to a hand brake is a hardware part count > nightmare. I'm working on it for a direct replacement for my cart brake > setup. Reducing parts count mainly. > The Jamar is a hand brake, so it is much easier to install, but...If you > fail to secure the pivot bolts with Loctite, and the screw rattles out, > you're out of a brake instantly. > > Inspection required: Your first indication you have a problem is poor > braking due to pad wear as you are on the rivets. Why you ask, would you > let them go that long. They are so reliable, you fail to check them exce pt > on annual rather than on a 25 hour.. With clients using my plane, in ten > flights I lost half my pad life until they figured out the technique. So on > I had no braking as the rivets in the pads do not give good friction. > OOPS. Now I do a 25 hour airframe inspection as well as oil change. > > Yes, I agree the old go cart brakes do work. I even installed a park > brake and it works fine with the one shots. However, after building > airplanes for so many years now, I no longer want go cart equipment in my > airplane and want to change to aircraft standard brake master cylinders, > with genuine aircraft parts I can order from Matco... If I sell the plan e, > anybody can look at the brakes and say, "yea its Matco, I can fix that." > > Just a matter of preference. > > Regards > Bud Yerly > Custom Flight Creations, Inc. > The park brake and masters are shown. I installed an aluminum hard > point into the underside of the top of the tunnel and counter sunk screws > hold the parts in place in the nutplates shown. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts > > Can one use the old style foot cylinders as finger bakes? > > Will > > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > >> Thomas, >> The part is a Jamar twin cylinder steering brake used in the US for some >> time in trick cars or "drifting". >> It is a good master cylinder for the Europa Trigear with hand (finger) >> brakes. We have little trouble with them. It usually is the install an d >> bleeding techniques that cause trouble... I have clients with the Jamar and >> have been trouble free for 10 years. We change fluid about every 3-5 ye ars >> due to moisture concerns or discoloration in the reservoir fluid. >> >> Note: >> Handles must be at least 9 inches long from the piston up for very easy >> operation. >> Bleeding this master cylinder is a bit of a pain. It must be installed >> so that it can be layed on its side to bleed. The bleed hole is a >> horizontally drilled hole so to bleed by pressure from the wheel, one mu st >> lay the Jamar on its side with the bleeded side down and rock it to assu re >> a bubble free piston. >> Originally these were shipped without the inside of the bores cleaned of >> polishing fluid as it was assumed one would not operate the brakes witho ut >> reading the Jamar instructions and disassemble and clean them. >> Unfortunately, Europa and others failed to include this instruction. A new >> rubber kit is only $30 US. >> Jamar recomends bench bleeding. I'm too lazy. >> Works with any type fluid. We recommend Dot 5 (silicone) or Mil 5606 >> hydraulic fluid. Dot 5 doesn't stain paint or interior in most cases. Mil >> 5606 is industry standard, but the red sticky fluid will stain everythin g >> if left to sit. >> >> See the attached bleeding guide and how we do park brake installs for >> easier bleeding and operation... We do a complete bleed in about 45 >> minutes for both sides. If your brakes were installed permanently, then I >> suggest you make sure you can service them. In my opinion, nothing shou ld >> be built into an airplane you can't easily remove to service, repair or >> replace. Nothing. >> >> Best Regards, >> Bud Yerly >> Custom Flight Creations, Inc. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Thomas Scherer <thomas@scherer.com> >> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 7:31 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts >> >> further to the recent discussion abt parts, I have found in my building >> shack the attached part which I do not find in the build manual. It >> seems to be aviation grade and possibly related to the control linkage >> of the MG-speed brakes. >> >> Any suggestions what this could be / or not Europa-related ? >> >> Thank you in advance >> >> <Thomas, N81EU> >> >> BTW, N81EU does now appear in the German Wikipedia. Any takers for an >> English translation ? >> >> > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List <http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Europa-List>">http://www.matronhref <http://www.matronhre f>="http://forums.matronics.com/ <http://forums.matronics.com/>">http://f orums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution <http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution>">http://www.matronics.com/c <http://www.matronics.com/c> > * > > These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more > about SkyDrive, click here. > To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN > Photo E-mail, join MSN. >


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    Time: 03:41:50 AM PST US
    From: david park <dpark748@icloud.com>
    Subject: Re: Swiss Tony
    Yes, good luck. Dave Sent from my iPad > On 5 Oct 2014, at 20:21, Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi All, a message to all L.A.A Members, > We have the LAA AGM coming up in November, I intend to submit a proposal t hat no work from the [in] famous photographer who used to run [ into the gro und] Europa, be used in the LAA Magazine,[ initials of this git are KW, I do n't want to spell out his name as he is vain enough to be Googling himself a nd a searchbot might bring this up ?] For those of you not familiar with the name Swiss Tony, he was a character on the TV's ''Fast Show'' look on Yout ube to see how that fits ! > If I propose the motion, I have someone who lost a lot of money to him who will second it, I need all the rest of you [ and as many non Europa LAA mem bers as you can rustle up ] to vote with the proxy form in this months Mag' [ reverse side of address sheet] > Any backers ? > Cheers, > Nev > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 07:51:32 AM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Identification of parts
    Will, Nev understands having good maintanence access is critical. I did my one shots to be cheap and eliminate a lot of build and head scratching time. Now I'm back to the head scratching time. Regards, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts Bud Thanks Phew...I did almost exactly that. I used the foot bracket screwed upside down to the tunnel. When I stared nev advised me to open the belly per the mono (mine is a tri) which gives me access to all that stuff that goes in the tunnel. Thanks Will On 5 Oct 2014 10:50, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote: Will, My old shop computer failed to send this. Trying again. If the photo doesn't show, email me off line. Regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts =EF=BB Photo E-mail View slideshow <>| Download images <> Will, Indeed. I have them in 12AY. They have served me for years. However, this annual I will get rid of them. In 12AY I did, as I think others have, and flipped the brake brackets over and I screwed them into reinforced places in the top of my module. They work great for steering and general stuff. As the brake pads wear on a long taxi out and back over the months (and letting clients fly my plane and get used to brakes and steering), no new fluid can come into my cylinder to replenish. Eventually air does. So I fill them up. But they must be tail end high to fill absolutely full. That means I unscrew them, fit the funnel Andy Draper made ( I use 5606), fill it up, then siphon off the excess, remove the screw in funnel, and insert my cap. Is it hard, no, but there are better ways for lazy guys like me. True, a one shot system, as shown, has its downfalls: Any leak means no brake left. The reservoir cannot compensate to get you to the chocks. As pads wear, no replenishment as above and you get spongy brakes. The piston and throw is just undersized for our disk for full braking. (We're not supposed to use the brakes except to stop when we taxi so who cares.) Plus side is they are dirt simple. Anybody can figure them out. Cheap. Especially in the UK where the fittings are off the shelf. Just OK on the braking as the piston diameter / volume is smaller than recommended for the disk we have. But I can't tell. An access hole has to be made for servicing in the tunnel. (Personal Problem: ) My wife asks, "Why is there an ugly hole there?" "Oh I had to fill my brakes, and didn't want to put the cover plate back on after filling. Besides, I still have to check the brake pads and such to find out why my fluid was down." "OK, then why am I flying with you with bad brakes?" "They are not bad.....etc." Matco's or Jamar plus: Minor leaks won't leave you brakeless. Pad wear is never a problem with fluid level. Matco is genuine aircraft quality. All parts and fittings are aircraft standard. Jamar is a higher capacity brake and you can no kidding hold the brakes with 10 inch handles and skid the tires on run-up with only minor pressure. I don't have to fiddle with British pipe thread hokum fittings or find Department of Transportation fittings (read as leaky) to mount lines and fittings. It's aircraft. Everything fits and works. I don't have to fiddle with re-filling as the brake pads wear. The reservoir fills them without bubbles. Once initially bled, they are virtually maintenance free. Check that, they are brilliantly reliable. If installed with the reservoir side elevated, this allows very easy bleeding and hands off reservoir replenishment. On the minus side: Frankly it is tougher to mount them than flipping the brackets on the old style one shot, as platforms have to be made. You need a big hole in the tunnel to access them. Matco's are expensive by comparison at over $130 each. Even as a dealer I pay through the nose. We're aircraft owners, and by definition are rich, so who cares about price.... Jamar's price is not so bad... But again, it is automotive. The transition of the Matco to a hand brake is a hardware part count nightmare. I'm working on it for a direct replacement for my cart brake setup. Reducing parts count mainly. The Jamar is a hand brake, so it is much easier to install, but...If you fail to secure the pivot bolts with Loctite, and the screw rattles out, you're out of a brake instantly. Inspection required: Your first indication you have a problem is poor braking due to pad wear as you are on the rivets. Why you ask, would you let them go that long. They are so reliable, you fail to check them except on annual rather than on a 25 hour.. With clients using my plane, in ten flights I lost half my pad life until they figured out the technique. Soon I had no braking as the rivets in the pads do not give good friction. OOPS. Now I do a 25 hour airframe inspection as well as oil change. Yes, I agree the old go cart brakes do work. I even installed a park brake and it works fine with the one shots. However, after building airplanes for so many years now, I no longer want go cart equipment in my airplane and want to change to aircraft standard brake master cylinders, with genuine aircraft parts I can order from Matco... If I sell the plane, anybody can look at the brakes and say, "yea its Matco, I can fix that." Just a matter of preference. Regards Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations, Inc.<> The park brake and masters are shown. I installed an aluminum hard point into the underside of the top of the tunnel and counter sunk screws hold the parts in place in the nutplates shown. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts Can one use the old style foot cylinders as finger bakes? Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote: Thomas, The part is a Jamar twin cylinder steering brake used in the US for some time in trick cars or "drifting". It is a good master cylinder for the Europa Trigear with hand (finger) brakes. We have little trouble with them. It usually is the install and bleeding techniques that cause trouble... I have clients with the Jamar and have been trouble free for 10 years. We change fluid about every 3-5 years due to moisture concerns or discoloration in the reservoir fluid. Note: Handles must be at least 9 inches long from the piston up for very easy operation. Bleeding this master cylinder is a bit of a pain. It must be installed so that it can be layed on its side to bleed. The bleed hole is a horizontally drilled hole so to bleed by pressure from the wheel, one must lay the Jamar on its side with the bleeded side down and rock it to assure a bubble free piston. Originally these were shipped without the inside of the bores cleaned of polishing fluid as it was assumed one would not operate the brakes without reading the Jamar instructions and disassemble and clean them. Unfortunately, Europa and others failed to include this instruction. A new rubber kit is only $30 US. Jamar recomends bench bleeding. I'm too lazy. Works with any type fluid. We recommend Dot 5 (silicone) or Mil 5606 hydraulic fluid. Dot 5 doesn't stain paint or interior in most cases. Mil 5606 is industry standard, but the red sticky fluid will stain everything if left to sit. See the attached bleeding guide and how we do park brake installs for easier bleeding and operation... We do a complete bleed in about 45 minutes for both sides. If your brakes were installed permanently, then I suggest you make sure you can service them. In my opinion, nothing should be built into an airplane you can't easily remove to service, repair or replace. Nothing. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations, Inc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Scherer<mailto:thomas@scherer.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 7:31 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Identification of parts further to the recent discussion abt parts, I have found in my building shack the attached part which I do not find in the build manual. It seems to be aviation grade and possibly related to the control linkage of the MG-speed brakes. Any suggestions what this could be / or not Europa-related ? Thank you in advance <Thomas, N81EU> BTW, N81EU does now appear in the German Wikipedia. Any takers for an English translation ? href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Europa-List>">http://www.matronhref<http://www.matronhre f/>="http://forums.matronics.com/<http://forums.matronics.com/>">http:/ /forums.matronics.com<http://forums.matronics.com/> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution>">http://www.matronics.com/c<http://www.matronics.com/c> These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here<>. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN<>.


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    Time: 08:07:36 AM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: OAT probe location
    Fred, Photo E-mail View slideshow <>| Download images <> That's why its called Custom Flight. We do all this kind of stuff based on the needs and wants of the client. Does it add speed..No. Just costs more time. While doing the inlet for the teardrop Fred, you might as well add a bit of an extension for it to cover those 525s that stick out. Get it all done at once. <> Regards, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Fred Klein<mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com> To: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: OAT probe location On Oct 5, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote: In a custom made flap bracket cover on the starboard side (a modified teardrop, with a 1/4 inch hole dedicated to allow air to impact the probe and go out through a vent in the rear of the teardrop.) Nicely done. Supposedly worked and I can't see why not. Bud=85I think this takes the cake=85I have a pair of those teardrops=85only thing I will add is a touch of FG screening to keep the bugs out=85 I=92d not even dreamed of this location=85much obliged for the insight, Fred These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here<>. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN<>.


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    Time: 11:33:06 AM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: Re: OAT probe location
    On Oct 6, 2014, at 8:05 AM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > That's why its called Custom Flight. We do all this kind of stuff based on the needs and wants of the client. Does it add speed..No. Just costs more time. > While doing the inlet for the teardrop Fred, you might as well add a bit of an extension for it to cover those 525s that stick out. Get it all done at once. Bud=85those look terrific=85I had no idea you made them up=85as for =93time cost=94, tis in the mind of the builder! They look very similar to mine, courtesy of Kingsley Hurst=85pix below. Thanks again for the tip of placing my OAT within. Cheers, Fred


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    As one who was told personally by KW that the kit was enroute to Florida and several other untruths, I would encourage all who can to deny him the privilage to sell his photographs to do so. Marty Mason Kit 291 Paid for twice! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431586#431586


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    From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: Rotax 912 iS Info
    Just passing on some information.I recently had the opportunity to see the 912 iS=2C installed in the PUMA LSA aircraft. The designer and manufacturer of the Puma sounded very exuberant about this latest Rotax. He says it is the most reliable=2C smoothest running=2C and most economical of all Rotax engines. This installation especially was very impressive=2C with the engin e being very accessible from all angles=2C and no bulky carbs and airbox. I t was also nice to see that the engines now have a black enamel finish to e liminate corrosion. All temperature and pressure senders are integrated.The Puma also seems quite a unique airplane=2C with a fully automated control system.Karl




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