---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/14/14: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:13 AM - XS Tri gear wanted. (willydewey) 2. 11:18 AM - Re: XS Tri gear wanted. (Fred Klein) 3. 12:44 PM - Re: XS Tri gear wanted. (willydewey) 4. 02:39 PM - Re: Re: XS Tri gear wanted. (Fred Klein) 5. 05:52 PM - Fuselage Access (Jeremy Fisher) 6. 06:07 PM - Re: Fuselage Access (William Daniell) 7. 06:42 PM - Re: Fuselage Access (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: XS Tri gear wanted. From: "willydewey" Hi Guys, Perhaps I should have expressed my earlier request in more modest tones and once again apologies for any offence caused. In reality what I am looking for is a custom kit built aircraft with a Constant Speed Prop, cockpit adjustable, coupled to a 912uls Rotax. The aircraft should have finger brakes and an extended baggage hold. Preferably the aircraft would have been hangared since first flown. As I said before engine and airframe about 400 hours. Radio and transponder are of little importance. a number of owners have replied proposing fine aircraft but not quite what I am after. As regards pricing I can honestly reveal that the lowest I have seen is 28k for a mono and 40k for a well kitted out , low hours XS trigear with a Rotax 914. It seems that the aircraft I am looking for is somewhere between these extremes. I have included these figures to give some idea what the market is at this time and hopefully avoid derisory comments that were made last time Good will to ALL flyers Bill -------- Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431836#431836 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:34 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: XS Tri gear wanted. On Oct 14, 2014, at 7:12 AM, willydewey wrote: > As regards pricing I can honestly reveal that the lowest I have seen is =C2=A328k for a mono and =C2=A340k for a well kitted out , low hours XS trigear with a Rotax 914. It seems that the aircraft I am looking for is somewhere between these extremes. I have included these figures to give some idea what the market is at this time Sadly, it appears that my previous belief that the sale of a kit plane returns about 50 cents on every dollar spent w/ nary a nickel for a builder=92s construction time was unduly optimistic=85strange in the face of current selling prices for new LSA aircraft. F. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:45 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri gear wanted. From: "willydewey" Hi Fred. These are honest prices asked by the folk who offered me their Europas. I had no influence in trying to reduce the asking price despite my reference to Silly Prices in my earlier AD. A few people in the Europa Club have confirmed that these prices are realistic and most vendors use this as a starting point and eventually take a figure up to 10% under this. If I buy I will be faced with the Same situation when I come to sell it. I suppose it's just like buying a new car in the U.K. You loose up to 30% as you drive it out of the showroom. Best wishes Bill D -------- Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431862#431862 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:46 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: XS Tri gear wanted. On Oct 14, 2014, at 12:43 PM, willydewey wrote: > These are honest prices asked by the folk who offered me their Europas. > I had no influence in trying to reduce the asking price despite my reference to Silly Prices in my earlier AD. Bill=85my comment was not intended to suggest otherwise=85Cheers, Fred ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:22 PM PST US From: Jeremy Fisher Subject: Europa-List: Fuselage Access I am looking for some advice on whether I can put an access panel in the bottom of the fuselage of my Tri Gear where the wheel is retracted on the monowheel. I was planning to put my fuel panel (pumps and non directional valves) in there, but access from above is too restricted for me to be able to get in to check or repair. It seems to me that the bottom of the fuselage in this area should not be a stressed panel. However before I cut a large hole in my fuselage, I want to get confirmation that I am not going to weaken it! I am thinking of a hole of about 12" by 9". Am I out of line? Grateful for any advice. Jerry Fisher ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuselage Access From: William Daniell Jeremy When I started building nev told me to cut out the entire monowheel hole and cover it up with a piece of aluminum which I did. Made life a lot easier. I can't imagine trying to do all the plumbing without the access. Will On 14 Oct 2014 19:54, "Jeremy Fisher" wrote: > > I am looking for some advice on whether I can put an access panel in the > bottom of the fuselage of my Tri Gear where the wheel is retracted on the > monowheel. I was planning to put my fuel panel (pumps and non directional > valves) in there, but access from above is too restricted for me to be able > to get in to check or repair. It seems to me that the bottom of the > fuselage in this area should not be a stressed panel. However before I cut > a large hole in my fuselage, I want to get confirmation that I am not going > to weaken it! I am thinking of a hole of about 12" by 9". Am I out of > line? Grateful for any advice. > > Jerry Fisher > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuselage Access From: Robert Borger Jerry, I converted my mono to a tri and made a removable panel to cover the mono hole and provide access to the tunnel. No reason you cant do the same on a tri you build. Probably easier because you will have the actual piece you removed from which you can make a door/panel. FWIW, I have also added a string of LED lights inside the tunnel for work illumination. I highly recommend you consider the same. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Oct 14, 2014, at 7:51 PM, Jeremy Fisher wrote: I am looking for some advice on whether I can put an access panel in the bottom of the fuselage of my Tri Gear where the wheel is retracted on the monowheel. I was planning to put my fuel panel (pumps and non directional valves) in there, but access from above is too restricted for me to be able to get in to check or repair. It seems to me that the bottom of the fuselage in this area should not be a stressed panel. However before I cut a large hole in my fuselage, I want to get confirmation that I am not going to weaken it! I am thinking of a hole of about 12" by 9". Am I out of line? Grateful for any advice. 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