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1. 12:59 AM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (David Watts)
2. 02:51 AM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
3. 04:06 AM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (spcialeffects)
4. 04:43 AM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (Alan Carter)
5. 06:27 AM - A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines (jonathanmilbank)
6. 06:56 AM - Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines (Robert Borger)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines (jonathanmilbank)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines (rampil)
9. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines (Kevin Challis)
10. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines (Kevin Challis)
11. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Ground/earth (Steven Pitt)
12. 09:11 AM - Rotax 912 or 914 suspension frame aka ring mount (William Daniell)
13. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (Greg Fuchs)
14. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Ground/earth (Peter Zutrauen)
15. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Ground/earth (Rowland Carson)
16. 11:41 AM - Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines (dpy01)
17. 11:55 AM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (Alan Carter)
18. 02:02 PM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (graeme bird)
19. 03:43 PM - Re: Andair help (phillik747)
20. 03:53 PM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (Alan Carter)
21. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Andair help (Robert Borger)
22. 04:51 PM - Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge (Alan Carter)
23. 05:16 PM - Re: Andair help (phillik747)
24. 06:56 PM - Re: Ground/earth (rampil)
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
Alan
Mod 60 has a sender probe that is a solid 1/2" diameter tube 13" long with a float
around it. This would prevent you from locating any place other than the headrests
as it can't be bent or cut down.
Dave Watts G-BXDY
> On 28 Oct 2014, at 22:41, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
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> Hi All.
> Has anybody done Mod 60. The Europa Fuel sender fit,
> I have looked at it and its not simple as the sender unit is placed in the headrest
Pocket locker location and requires new hole cutting in the tank.
> I would like to place the sender in the existing location of my sender which
is in the middle of the tank, so as to use and modify my existing hole.
> This would also be dependent on the length of the sender to touch the bottom
of the middle of the tank with a setting of Zero ,this would leave a safety factor
or the fuel in the saddle, which I think might be about 8 ltrs ?
> So if anyone has fitted Mod 60, would my way be possible,
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
We once machined a wedge shaped mount to fit one in the centre. Not easy bu
t we did it.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Fro
m: David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>=0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.com" <e
uropa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesday, 29 October 2014, 7:58=0ASubje
ct: Re: Europa-List: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List mess
age posted by: David Watts <dg.watts@talktalk.net>=0A=0AAlan=0A=0AMod 60 ha
s a sender probe that is a solid 1/2" diameter tube 13" long with a float a
round it. This would prevent you from locating any place other than the hea
drests as it can't be bent or cut down.=0A=0ADave Watts G-BXDY=0A=0A=0A> On
28 Oct 2014, at 22:41, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:=0A>
.net>=0A> =0A> Hi All.=0A> Has anybody done Mod 60. The Europa Fuel sender
fit,=0A> I have looked at it and its not simple as the sender unit is place
d in the headrest Pocket locker location and requires new hole cutting in t
he tank.=0A> I would like to place the sender in the existing location of m
y sender which is in the middle of the tank, so as to use and modify my exi
sting hole.=0A> This would also be dependent on the length of the sender to
touch the bottom of the middle of the tank with a setting of Zero ,this wo
uld leave a safety factor or the fuel in the saddle, which I think might be
about 8 ltrs ?=0A> So if anyone has fitted Mod 60, would my way be possibl
e,=0A> =0A> Thanks.=0A> Alan=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online
here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432431#432431
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
Hi Alan. I'm building at the moment. Haven't boned on the top yet so have good
access to bottom fuselage for visuals. Also I have a spare fuel tank and plenty
of photos of my build which may be of use to you to see the inside of the tank
and get a better understanding of what your wanting to do. I'm also in kent
so if you want to pop round for a look your welcome.
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
Hi All.
Why are things made so difficult, my sender fails, and I end up with a major fix,
it should be just a job of un screwing and fitting a new one or an adaptor
plate to fit a different one.
I am no builder, but I know I would have thought of this before and included it
in my design and i,m no genius.
All I want is an Avelec sender rod, just un glue it at the top, pull it out and
slid a new one in, connect the wires , job done,
Special effects, Can you tell me what the depth of the tank is at the centre,
Maybe I can mount it at an angle or find a sender or something that will do .
David said it was 13 " long , with a ruler can you give approximate angle.
Alan
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Subject: | A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines |
Does anyone have details of this problem? Someone told me today about a notice
this October from Rotax concerning certain engine serial numbers which could experience
sinking floats. I can't find anything on the web, but here's a link
to the Matronics Rotax list.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=105093
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Subject: | Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines |
Jonathan:
Here is a link to the Rotax Service Bulletin --
http://www.rotax-owner.com/rotax-blog/item/34-912-914-float-inspection
Here is a link to the expanded information video on how to perform the test --
http://www.rotax-owner.com/videos-topmenu/expanded-video-instructions/445-sb912065
Sign up at Rotax-Owner.com to receive e-mail notification of Rotax bulletins and
other information.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:26 AM, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Does anyone have details of this problem? Someone told me today about a notice
this October from Rotax concerning certain engine serial numbers which could experience
sinking floats. I can't find anything on the web, but here's a link
to the Matronics Rotax list.
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Subject: | Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines |
Thanks Bob. My engine number is considerably older and I believe my carbs/floats
likewise.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432459#432459
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Subject: | Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines |
The official Rotax web site allows you to search for directives,
Bulletins, letters, etc all by engine serial number or type.
Far faster, more direct and reliable than fishing and waiting here
for answers regarding Rotax directives here.
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Ira N224XS
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Subject: | Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines |
I had a non floating float last year the ones I bought to replace it were in the
affected batch so Skydrive sent me a letter. Luckily the new ones are ok although
they say you need to check every 60 days which is not practical.
Kevin
G ODJG
Tri gear 912S
> On 29 Oct 2014, at 14:49, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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likewise.
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Subject: | Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines |
My engine is older but still had a non floating float! It still ran so worth checking
no matter how old your engine.
Sent from my iPad
> On 29 Oct 2014, at 14:49, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> Thanks Bob. My engine number is considerably older and I believe my carbs/floats
likewise.
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Subject: | Re: Ground/earth |
Ira/Ferg/Peter
Your input came at just the moment I am rewiring my radio and transponder
equipment for mode S and 8.33khz and I was reviewing my ground/earth
installation.
As a non aviation electrician I have always been confused by these concepts
and the issue of earth loops so can I ask for clarification.
Shielded wire for the mikes and phones are shown as connected in the Trig
diagrams so that suggests to me that connecting them all together and then
running one wire back to the battery negative contact would be the way to
go.
But then what about the ground strap to the engine block and the PTT wires
which are shown as 'earthed'. How can you do that in a plastic aircraft.
Sorry if this is really basic and although I have been flying for 8 years in
'DH I have always been uncertain that I had wired up the grounds correctly.
Regards
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Ground/earth
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> Hi Ferg!
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> Sorry, but there is no Ground but The Ground in a composite aircraft!
>
> That is to say, the negative side of the battery.
>
>>From that it is simply a matter of practice in
> minimizing the resistance back to that point. Noise is created when
> changing current flows move across a resistance, and those changes
> in current occur at high enough frequency to radiate to adjacent
> conductors.
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> Prevention of noise therefore seeks to minimize resistance to ground,
> and improve shielding.
>
> Ira
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> Ira N224XS
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Rotax 912 or 914 suspension frame aka ring mount |
Has anyone got one of the above for sale...it doesn't really matter which
version it is?
or know of a good source I tried Lockwood but they couldn't get one.
UK or USA would work
thanks
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
I've never used a capacitance sender, but I think they can be cut to size if
they're too long?
Could that help at all, or maybe I'm not following close enough here..
//
tell me what the depth of the tank is at the centre, Maybe I can mount it at
an angle or find a sender or something that will do .
//
Alan
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Subject: | Re: Ground/earth |
The jack shields should be only connected to the radio ground - at the
radio, as well as the jack common terminal - as shown in the trig
diagrams. The jack common terminal must not be grounded to any other
ground or a loop will result, with possible nasty effects. (if in my case
the jacks are mounted in a metal airframe, they must be isolated from the
airframe using insulating washers).
IMHO, YMMV, "works for me" :-)
Cheers,
Pete
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Steven Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
> steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
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> Ira/Ferg/Peter
> Your input came at just the moment I am rewiring my radio and transponder
> equipment for mode S and 8.33khz and I was reviewing my ground/earth
> installation.
> As a non aviation electrician I have always been confused by these
> concepts and the issue of earth loops so can I ask for clarification.
> Shielded wire for the mikes and phones are shown as connected in the Trig
> diagrams so that suggests to me that connecting them all together and then
> running one wire back to the battery negative contact would be the way to
> go.
> But then what about the ground strap to the engine block and the PTT wires
> which are shown as 'earthed'. How can you do that in a plastic aircraft.
> Sorry if this is really basic and although I have been flying for 8 years
> in 'DH I have always been uncertain that I had wired up the grounds
> correctly.
> Regards
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:09 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Ground/earth
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>> Hi Ferg!
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>> Sorry, but there is no Ground but The Ground in a composite aircraft!
>>
>> That is to say, the negative side of the battery.
>>
>> From that it is simply a matter of practice in
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>> minimizing the resistance back to that point. Noise is created when
>> changing current flows move across a resistance, and those changes
>> in current occur at high enough frequency to radiate to adjacent
>> conductors.
>>
>> Prevention of noise therefore seeks to minimize resistance to ground,
>> and improve shielding.
>>
>> Ira
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>> --------
>> Ira N224XS
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432404#432404
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Subject: | Re: Ground/earth |
On 29 Oct 2014, at 16:01, Steven Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Ira/Ferg/Peter
> Your input came at just the moment I am rewiring my radio and transponder equipment
for mode S and 8.33khz and I was reviewing my ground/earth installation.
> As a non aviation electrician I have always been confused by these concepts and
the issue of earth loops so can I ask for clarification.
> Shielded wire for the mikes and phones are shown as connected in the Trig diagrams
so that suggests to me that connecting them all together and then running
one wire back to the battery negative contact would be the way to go.
> But then what about the ground strap to the engine block and the PTT wires which
are shown as 'earthed'. How can you do that in a plastic aircraft.
> Sorry if this is really basic and although I have been flying for 8 years in
'DH I have always been uncertain that I had wired up the grounds correctly.
Steve - you can get good advice about this and many other aeroplane wiring issues
from 'Lectric Bob. His website is at:
http://www.aeroelectric.com
Many years ago I purchased a paper copy of the AeroElectric Connection which helped
me translate many of the principles I already knew as an electrical/electronic/audio
engineer into practical guidelines for wiring my aircraft.
You can get the publication on paper or CD-ROM, or you can just wade into the Matronics
AeroElectric list and start asking questions.
You can also see how I planned my own electrical installation at:
http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/wirebook.php
There are many references in my diagrams to common earth either cockpit side or
engine side. This is a couple of stout metal plates fastened together through
the firewall, with many tabs on each side for 1/4 blade connectors, and a big
terminal to connect to the battery negative.
B & C Speciality makes this item and you can see it at:
http://www.bandc.biz/grounding-supplies-battery-cables.aspx
In UK, Airworld stocks it:
http://shop.airworlduk.com/ground-bus-2448-position-300941-367-p.asp
Everything that requires to be earthed or grounded has a wire running all the way
back to that block of tabs. On my main circuit diagram (based on the one in
the Europa build manual) a line marked ground return busbar is shown. To match
the physical reality, that should really be shown as a single point, but that
would make the diagram very messy.
Hope this helps.
in friendship
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: A few sinking floats in Bing carbs 912 engines |
The following was issued by Conair in the UK to iRMT holders.
Rotax have issued the following bulletin, which can be downloaded from www.f
lyrotax.com :
SB-912-065 (UL) / SB-914-046 (UL), October 06, 2014
Periodic Inspection of the float buoyancy for Rotax Engine Type 912 and 914 (
series).
They have also issued a separate procedure agreed with Rotax making a simple
r check for non certified engines.
I have done the later and it involves ensuring the float bowl is full of fue
l before dropping the bowl and checking the height of the float.
Alan
G-OBJT
Sent from my iPhone
> On 29 Oct 2014, at 13:26, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> Does anyone have details of this problem? Someone told me today about a no
tice this October from Rotax concerning certain engine serial numbers which c
ould experience sinking floats. I can't find anything on the web, but here's
a link to the Matronics Rotax list.
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=105093
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
Hello.
Yes I think you can cut them to length, Avelec still are not responding to e mail.
At the moment I have a Plastic Boss with a sender mounted in the Boss at an angle
of 30 degrees, If I can find something suitable, I would try to pull the old
sender out of this plastic boss, and resin a new one in place.
This would require a complete kit, Sender, processer, and gauge.
But I can,t find one.???
I have a private mail , saying fitting the Europa sender was the most difficult
job he had encountered due to its position.
Alan
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
Can you replace it with one from Airworld UK? I fitted that one, they are capacitance
type that can be cut to length, the head is round though. Its reliable
enough, although due to the shape of the tank is not very linear (reading half
is more like a quarter).
Actually I find the sight gauge is best for a static on ground check when filling
etc and a EI FP5-L fuel flow instrument fairly spot on when in the air.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 135 hours 32 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Still looking for help on the faceplate. Also need 3 of the BF20-E banjo fittings.
Aircraft Spruce said they could get them for me but a much higher price then just
ordering from Andair.
If anyone has some parts laying around, I'm willing to buy.
Thanks,
Kyle
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Kyle
Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
Hi.
That EI FP5-L looks an expensive piece of kit, looks very nice,
I have just install the MGL have not calibrated it yet so don,t now how accurate
it is,
Senders,
I was looking at this one,
http://www.atlltd.com/upload_files/341/ELAD151%20%20152%20Level%20Probe.%20Calibration%20Instructions%20012012.pdf
But the Air world might do the job,
Seem to be making some head way now, thanks,
Alan
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Kyle,
Have you tried anplumbing.com for the banjos and bolts? They have a pretty good
selection.
Cant help with the faceplate.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 29, 2014, at 5:42 PM, phillik747 <helperpsp@gmail.com> wrote:
Still looking for help on the faceplate. Also need 3 of the BF20-E banjo fittings.
Aircraft Spruce said they could get them for me but a much higher price then just
ordering from Andair.
If anyone has some parts laying around, I'm willing to buy.
Thanks,
Kyle
--------
Kyle
Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
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Subject: | Re: Mod 60 Europa Fuel Gauge |
Hello All.
I think I can use one of the mentioned sender units.
The resistor type which can be cut to length, the Air world looks like it might
do the trick,
The ridge rod sender placed in the original 30 degree sloping hole in the boss
on the tank and resin bonded,
My concern is the small hole in the sender tube at the top.
this I think senses the maximum full level.
This hole will possible not be far enough down the tube, but will be in the plastic
of the boss mounting.
Any Comment on this as to overcome the problem.
Alan
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Bob,
Thank you for the reply. I'm looking specifically for the Andair fitting but that
is a good site to bookmark. The Andair valve came in the 2nd hand kit but
its missing the needed parts for finishing.
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Kyle
Europa Tri-gear (under construction)
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Subject: | Re: Ground/earth |
Hi Steve!
I also endorse Bob's treatise which you can download from his aeroelectric site.
Bob's "forest of tabs" is a convenient way to tie all of your panel
grounds together with minimal resistance. The tab field can conveniently
be bolted to the bottom of your panel molding. You will probably need
above 50 tab points for all the panel grounds. From the ground tabs
reserve two or three tabs for #8 or 10 ga wires to an amphenol
connector through the firewall. On the other side of the firewall a 1/4" bolt
is convenient to attach ring crimp connectors to the battery and to the
engine block.
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Ira N224XS
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