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     0. 12:23 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
     1. 12:31 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (John Wighton)
     2. 12:46 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Peter Jeffers)
     3. 01:03 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Kevin Challis)
     4. 01:42 AM - Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 (Alan Carter)
     5. 01:44 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (David Watts)
     6. 01:44 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Bob Harrison)
     7. 02:24 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (John Wighton)
     8. 05:33 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Pete Lawless)
     9. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl)
    10. 06:31 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Bob Harrison)
    11. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (AUVRAY Michel)
    12. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl)
    13. 01:46 PM - Re: Gas spring effort (Alan Carter)
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    17. 02:59 PM - Crimping terminals (Steven Pitt)
    18. 03:32 PM - Re: Crimping terminals (Pete)
    19. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl)
    20. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Christoph Both)
    21. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl)
    22. 05:28 PM - Re: Gas spring effort (Dean Seitz)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... | 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load).  Mine are weak and need
      refurb/change.   I take it the values given in lbf are per inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)?
       Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at around 148
      lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate).
      
      I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed that in other
      planes to overly stiff struts.
      
      The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the refurb company a
      value they can use.
      
      Where is this place in Surrey Kevin?
      
      regards
      JW
      
      --------
      John Wighton
      Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
      
      
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| Subject:  | Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Hi Kevin,
      Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy.
      Pete
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Challis
      Sent: 07 November 2014 06:28
      Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      
      
      Factory is about 2 miles away from my house they refurb them. Sutton, Surrey. 
      
      It was a friend who told me they were there I didn't know. 
      
      It makes a massive difference. No more being bashed on the head. 
      
      Kevin Challis
      G ODJG
      912S Tri gear
      
      
      > On 7 Nov 2014, at 01:45, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
      > 
      > --> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
      > 
      > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to 
      > do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean 
      > Seitz
      > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM
      > To: europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      > 
      > 
      > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about
      1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have
      not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
      > 
      > Dean Seitz
      > 
      > 
      > ---- AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote: 
      >> 
      >> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
      >> 
      >> Many thanks
      >> Michel AUVRAY
      >> 
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      I thought you would ask that. 
      
      Just because I have been there doesn't mean I can remember :-)
      
      I am away at the moment for a few days I will look it up when I get home. My friend
      might reply? He arranged it for both of our sets. 
      
      Kevin Challis
      
      
      > On 7 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net> wrote:
      > 
      > 
      > Hi Kevin,
      > Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy.
      > Pete
      > 
      > 
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Challis
      > Sent: 07 November 2014 06:28
      > To: europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      > 
      > 
      > Factory is about 2 miles away from my house they refurb them. Sutton, Surrey.
      
      > 
      > It was a friend who told me they were there I didn't know. 
      > 
      > It makes a massive difference. No more being bashed on the head. 
      > 
      > Kevin Challis
      > G ODJG
      > 912S Tri gear
      > 
      > 
      >> On 7 Nov 2014, at 01:45, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
      >> 
      >> --> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
      >> 
      >> Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to 
      >> do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul
      >> 
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
      >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean 
      >> Seitz
      >> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM
      >> To: europa-list@matronics.com
      >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      >> 
      >> 
      >> I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to
      about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have
      not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
      >> 
      >> Dean Seitz
      >> 
      >> 
      >> ---- AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote: 
      >>> 
      >>> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
      >>> 
      >>> Many thanks
      >>> Michel AUVRAY
      >>> 
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| Subject:  | Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 | 
      
      
      Hi Bill.
      I am not sure Bill but it around 28 to 29, about 110/115 kts, Its a really good
      consumption, for a Tri Gear .Surprised me, must be a good engine 550 hours.
      I have flow 3 times all about 57, 61 minutes air bourn and refilled to the neck
      of the filler. I can not give you a cruise burn as I have not got the flow meter
      set up correctly yet. But I do know what I put in the tank to refill it.
      
      Alan
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433106#433106
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Hi all,
      
      Kevin's friend here, aka Dave Watts.
      
      The firm are the original suppliers to Europa and are:-
      Industrial Gas Springs Ltd
      22 Wates Way
      Mitcham
      Surrey
      CR44HR
      Phone 02086466595
      
      They charged us 5 per unit plus post and packing.
      There was a note on the invoice to say that the units had been charged to 185 Newtons.
      
      Dave Watts G-BXDY
      
      
      > On 7 Nov 2014, at 09:03, Kevin Challis <cakeykev@gmail.com> wrote:
      > 
      > 
      > I thought you would ask that. 
      > 
      > Just because I have been there doesn't mean I can remember :-)
      > 
      > I am away at the moment for a few days I will look it up when I get home. My
      friend might reply? He arranged it for both of our sets. 
      > 
      > Kevin Challis
      > 
      > 
      >> On 7 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net> wrote:
      >> 
      >> 
      >> Hi Kevin,
      >> Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy.
      >> Pete
      >> 
      >> 
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Challis
      >> Sent: 07 November 2014 06:28
      >> To: europa-list@matronics.com
      >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      >> 
      >> 
      >> Factory is about 2 miles away from my house they refurb them. Sutton, Surrey.
      
      >> 
      >> It was a friend who told me they were there I didn't know. 
      >> 
      >> It makes a massive difference. No more being bashed on the head. 
      >> 
      >> Kevin Challis
      >> G ODJG
      >> 912S Tri gear
      >> 
      >> 
      >>> On 7 Nov 2014, at 01:45, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
      >>> 
      >>> --> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
      >>> 
      >>> Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to 
      >>> do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul
      >>> 
      >>> -----Original Message-----
      >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
      >>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean 
      >>> Seitz
      >>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM
      >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
      >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to
      about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have
      not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
      >>> 
      >>> Dean Seitz
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> ---- AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote: 
      >>>> 
      >>>> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
      >>>> 
      >>>> Many thanks
      >>>> Michel AUVRAY
      >>>> 
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| Subject:  | Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Hi! All
      Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very obliging outfit
      and very competitive:- 
      
      Industrial Gas Springs Limited
      A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group
      Incorporating Inflite Engineering Services
      
      22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR
      United Kingdom
      
      Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594
      International Tel: +44 20 8646 6596
      
      I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends with
      the service.
      Regards to all 
      Bob Harrison  G-PTAG
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
      Sent: 07 November 2014 01:46
      Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      
      --> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
      
      Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and
      ended up buying new ones. - Paul
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Seitz
      Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM
      Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      
      
      I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about
      1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have
      not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
      
      Dean Seitz
      
      
      ---- AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote: 
      > 
      > Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
      > 
      > Many thanks
      > Michel AUVRAY
      > 
      > ---
      > Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce
      que la protection avast! Antivirus est active.
      > http://www.avast.com
      > 
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      > 
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Excellent response - thanks to all.  And the details all correlate!  One time before
      l used company details offered from the forum to find it was a knitting
      shop instead of an upholsterer.
      
      regards
      JW
      
      
      Do not archive.
      
      --------
      John Wighton
      Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433109#433109
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Hi Bob
      
      Thanks for the contact info.  What load did you get your struts set to?
      
      Regards
      
      Pete
      G-RMAC #109
      
      On 07/11/14 09:43, Bob Harrison wrote:
      >
      > Hi! All
      > Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very obliging outfit
      and very competitive:-
      >
      > Industrial Gas Springs Limited
      > A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group
      > Incorporating Inflite Engineering Services
      >
      > 22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR
      > United Kingdom
      >
      > Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594
      > International Tel: +44 20 8646 6596
      >
      > I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends
      with the service.
      > Regards to all
      > Bob Harrison  G-PTAG
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com  [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister
      > Sent: 07 November 2014 01:46
      > To:europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      >
      > --><paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
      >
      > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and
      ended up buying new ones. - Paul
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com  [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Seitz
      > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM
      > To:europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      >
      >
      > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about
      1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have
      not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
      >
      > Dean Seitz
      >
      >
      > ---- AUVRAY Michel<mau11@orange.fr>  wrote:
      >>
      >> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
      >>
      >> Many thanks
      >> Michel AUVRAY
      >>
      >> ---
      >> Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce
      que la protection avast! Antivirus est active.
      >> http://www.avast.com
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      Another option is to use adjustable gas struts. Pressure adjustable from 20
       to 400 (Newtons?).Cost =A3 14.50 for the steel version. Also available in 
      stainless.Karl
      
      > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort
      > From: john@wighton.net
      > Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2014 00:30:57 -0800
      > To: europa-list@matronics.com
      > 
      > 
      > Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load).  Mine are weak
       and need refurb/change.   I take it the values given in lbf are per inch (
      i.e. 50lbf/in)?   Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at
       around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate).
      > 
      > I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed that 
      in other planes to overly stiff struts.
      > 
      > The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the refurb com
      pany a value they can use.
      > 
      > Where is this place in Surrey Kevin?
      > 
      > regards
      > JW
      > 
      > --------
      > John Wighton
      > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433101#433101
      > 
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| Subject:  | Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Hi! Pete,
      The struts are made by them so they pressure them up to design performance ( In
      other words I didn't ask even !)  However I have done the mod. that revises the
      mounting further down the door so eliminating the pressure reaction upwards
      on the door rear corner and re-enforcing of the door rear frame.
      Regards
      Bob H G-PTAG
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
      Sent: 07 November 2014 13:33
      Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      
      
      Hi Bob
      
      Thanks for the contact info.  What load did you get your struts set to?
      
      Regards
      
      Pete
      G-RMAC #109
      
      On 07/11/14 09:43, Bob Harrison wrote:
      > --> Harrison"<ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
      >
      > Hi! All
      > Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very 
      > obliging outfit and very competitive:-
      >
      > Industrial Gas Springs Limited
      > A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group Incorporating 
      > Inflite Engineering Services
      >
      > 22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR
      > United Kingdom
      >
      > Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594 International Tel: +44 20 8646 
      > 6596
      >
      > I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends
      with the service.
      > Regards to all
      > Bob Harrison  G-PTAG
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com  
      > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
      > McAllister
      > Sent: 07 November 2014 01:46
      > To:europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      >
      > --><paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
      >
      > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to 
      > do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com  
      > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean 
      > Seitz
      > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM To:europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      >
      >
      > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about
      1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have
      not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
      >
      > Dean Seitz
      >
      >
      > ---- AUVRAY Michel<mau11@orange.fr>  wrote:
      >>
      >> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
      >>
      >> Many thanks
      >> Michel AUVRAY
      >>
      >> ---
      >> Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce
      que la protection avast! Antivirus est active.
      >> http://www.avast.com
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      Many thanks Karl,
      Where it is possible to buy?
      Is it possible you send to me an adress
      
      Michel AUVRAY
      Builder 145
      
      
      Le 07/11/2014 14:55, Karl Heindl a crit :
      > *Another option is to use adjustable gas struts. Pressure adjustable 
      > from 20 to 400 (Newtons?).*
      > *Cost  14.50 for the steel version. Also available in stainless.*
      > *Karl
      > *
      > > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort
      > > From: john@wighton.net
      > > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:30:57 -0800
      > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
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      > >
      > > Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are 
      > weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per 
      > inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which 
      > works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for 
      > Florida climate).
      > >
      > > I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed 
      > that in other planes to overly stiff struts.
      > >
      > > The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the 
      > refurb company a value they can use.
      > >
      > > Where is this place in Surrey Kevin?
      > >
      > > regards
      > > JW
      > >
      > > --------
      > > John Wighton
      > > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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      > > Read this topic online here:
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      Michel=2C
      Look at www.wdsltd.co.uk.  I think the correct part number is 550-0615100 f
      or the steel version.I am sure they will ship to France.Karl
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      Hi Karl.
      I see the adjustable gas struts, 
      They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original struts
      ?, do they fit. the Europa OK,
      Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing it.?
      Price is 14.50
      
      My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top
      corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modify the other
      one to the center position.
      
      Alan
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433131#433131
      
      
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| Subject:  | Walking The Line | 
      
      
      Hi ALL.
      I can disorientate a person in under 3 minutes, So how can this Tightrope walker,
      walk a wire stretched between two sky scrapper blindfolded.
      The brain needs reference  information to lock onto , or does it.????
      Does he have some Electronic  Geo reference information feed to him by wireless,???
      
      Regards.
      Alan
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Walking The Line | 
      
      
      Easy he had a couple of points first !!!!
      
      Alan Carter wrote:
      
      Hi ALL.
      I can disorientate a person in under 3 minutes, So how can this Tightrope walker,
      walk a wire stretched between two sky scrapper blindfolded.
      The brain needs reference  information to lock onto , or does it.????
      Does he have some Electronic  Geo reference information feed to him by wireless,???
      
      Regards.
      Alan
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Walking The Line | 
      
      
      Hi Danny.
      Not How that would work.
      Or did you mean he had a couple of pints first, Now that might work.
      Alan
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433137#433137
      
      
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| Subject:  | Crimping terminals | 
      
      
      I am getting ready to make up the wiring harnes for my new Trig radio and 
      transponder and see that they use MIL -C-24308 connectors with M39029/63-368 
      crimped pins. The recommendation is to use the DMC AFM8 crimping tool, which 
      seems expensive. Has anyone used a more modest crimping tool with success?
      Regards
      Steve Pitt
      G-SMDH 
      
      
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      I was a rebel and went with solder cups for my trig pair, which I then reduxd for
      stability and fatigue prevention. So far, so good :-)
      
      
      Cheers,
      Pete
      A239
      
      > On Nov 7, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Steven Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
      > 
      > 
      > I am getting ready to make up the wiring harnes for my new Trig radio and transponder
      and see that they use MIL -C-24308 connectors with M39029/63-368 crimped
      pins. The recommendation is to use the DMC AFM8 crimping tool, which seems
      expensive. Has anyone used a more modest crimping tool with success?
      > Regards
      > Steve Pitt
      > G-SMDH 
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      Hi Alan=2C
      I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exact
      ly the same as the ones that came with the kit=2C i.e. diameter 15mm =2C le
      ngth 300-310mm=2C the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm=2C and its length
       100mm.You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end (
      see diagram).Cheers=2CKarl
      
      
      > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort
      > From: alancarteresq@onetel.net
      > Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800
      > To: europa-list@matronics.com
      > 
      t>
      > 
      > Hi Karl.
      > I see the adjustable gas struts=2C 
      > They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original s
      truts ?=2C do they fit. the Europa OK=2C
      > Also=2C 20 to 200=2C how you set the pressure=2C lowering it=2C then incr
      easing it.?
      > Price is =C2=A314.50
      > 
      > My Doors=2C One has been modified to the centre position and the other at
       the top corner=2C Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to m
      odify the other one to the center position.
      > 
      > Alan
      > 
      > 
      > 
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      > Read this topic online here:
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| Subject:  | Re: Gas spring effort | 
      
      Hallo Karl,
      I would be interested in a pair of these as well.
      Danke!
      Christoph
      
      Sent from my iPhone
      
      On Nov 7, 2014, at 19:38, "Karl Heindl" <kheindl@msn.com<mailto:kheindl@msn
      .com>> wrote:
      
      Hi Alan,
      
      I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exact
      ly the same as the ones that came with the kit, i.e. diameter 15mm , length
       300-310mm, the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm, and its length 100mm.
      You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end (see dia
      gram).
      Cheers,
      Karl
      
      
      > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort
      > From: alancarteresq@onetel.net<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net>
      > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800
      > To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
      >
      t<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net>>
      >
      > Hi Karl.
      > I see the adjustable gas struts,
      > They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original s
      truts ?, do they fit. the Europa OK,
      > Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing i
      t.?
      > Price is =A314.50
      >
      > My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at t
      he top corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modif
      y the other one to the center position.
      >
      > Alan
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433131#433131
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      Christoph=2C
      No problem. we'll talk before I leave.Karl
      
      From: christoph.both@acadiau.ca
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| Subject:  | Gas spring effort | 
      
      
      I made an adapter to fit in the end of the spring with an oring. Used a bottle
      with over 1500lbs. 38lbs was measured on a bathroom scale pushing the spring down
      on it. 60lbs after filling.
      
      If you check into adjustable ones they are filled to a max pressure and then you
      let out the amount of pressure to meet your strength requirements.
      
      The basic formula for the strength is psi times area of piston in sq inches. There
      are some other variables but they don't make enough difference to matter here.
      So the piston is around .05sq in times 1400 equals 70lbs. I didn't have the
      ability to measure the pressure exactly so it could have been more like 1300psi.
      
      Dean Seitz
      
      
      ---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote: 
      > 
      > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and
      ended up buying new ones. - Paul
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      > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM
      > To: europa-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort
      > 
      > 
      > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about
      1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have
      not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine.
      > 
      > Dean Seitz
      > 
      > 
      > ---- AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote: 
      > > 
      > > Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ?
      > > 
      > > Many thanks
      > > Michel AUVRAY
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