---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/07/14: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:23 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle) 1. 12:31 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (John Wighton) 2. 12:46 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Peter Jeffers) 3. 01:03 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Kevin Challis) 4. 01:42 AM - Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 (Alan Carter) 5. 01:44 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (David Watts) 6. 01:44 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Bob Harrison) 7. 02:24 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (John Wighton) 8. 05:33 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Pete Lawless) 9. 05:56 AM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl) 10. 06:31 AM - Re: Gas spring effort (Bob Harrison) 11. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (AUVRAY Michel) 12. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl) 13. 01:46 PM - Re: Gas spring effort (Alan Carter) 14. 02:03 PM - Walking The Line (Alan Carter) 15. 02:19 PM - Re: Walking The Line (danny shepherd) 16. 02:40 PM - Re: Walking The Line (Alan Carter) 17. 02:59 PM - Crimping terminals (Steven Pitt) 18. 03:32 PM - Re: Crimping terminals (Pete) 19. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl) 20. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Christoph Both) 21. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Gas spring effort (Karl Heindl) 22. 05:28 PM - Re: Gas spring effort (Dean Seitz) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or by dropping a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94551-0347 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort From: "John Wighton" Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate). I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed that in other planes to overly stiff struts. The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the refurb company a value they can use. Where is this place in Surrey Kevin? regards JW -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433101#433101 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:44 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort Hi Kevin, Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Challis Sent: 07 November 2014 06:28 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort Factory is about 2 miles away from my house they refurb them. Sutton, Surrey. It was a friend who told me they were there I didn't know. It makes a massive difference. No more being bashed on the head. Kevin Challis G ODJG 912S Tri gear > On 7 Nov 2014, at 01:45, Paul McAllister wrote: > > --> > > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to > do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Seitz > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort > > > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine. > > Dean Seitz > > > ---- AUVRAY Michel wrote: >> >> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ? >> >> Many thanks >> Michel AUVRAY >> >> --- >> Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:40 AM PST US From: Kevin Challis Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort I thought you would ask that. Just because I have been there doesn't mean I can remember :-) I am away at the moment for a few days I will look it up when I get home. My friend might reply? He arranged it for both of our sets. Kevin Challis > On 7 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Peter Jeffers wrote: > > > Hi Kevin, > Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy. > Pete > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Challis > Sent: 07 November 2014 06:28 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort > > > Factory is about 2 miles away from my house they refurb them. Sutton, Surrey. > > It was a friend who told me they were there I didn't know. > > It makes a massive difference. No more being bashed on the head. > > Kevin Challis > G ODJG > 912S Tri gear > > >> On 7 Nov 2014, at 01:45, Paul McAllister wrote: >> >> --> >> >> Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to >> do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean >> Seitz >> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort >> >> >> I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine. >> >> Dean Seitz >> >> >> ---- AUVRAY Michel wrote: >>> >>> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ? >>> >>> Many thanks >>> Michel AUVRAY >>> >>> --- >>> Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. >>> http://www.avast.com > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:59 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 From: "Alan Carter" Hi Bill. I am not sure Bill but it around 28 to 29, about 110/115 kts, Its a really good consumption, for a Tri Gear .Surprised me, must be a good engine 550 hours. I have flow 3 times all about 57, 61 minutes air bourn and refilled to the neck of the filler. I can not give you a cruise burn as I have not got the flow meter set up correctly yet. But I do know what I put in the tank to refill it. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433106#433106 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort From: David Watts Hi all, Kevin's friend here, aka Dave Watts. The firm are the original suppliers to Europa and are:- Industrial Gas Springs Ltd 22 Wates Way Mitcham Surrey CR44HR Phone 02086466595 They charged us 5 per unit plus post and packing. There was a note on the invoice to say that the units had been charged to 185 Newtons. Dave Watts G-BXDY > On 7 Nov 2014, at 09:03, Kevin Challis wrote: > > > I thought you would ask that. > > Just because I have been there doesn't mean I can remember :-) > > I am away at the moment for a few days I will look it up when I get home. My friend might reply? He arranged it for both of our sets. > > Kevin Challis > > >> On 7 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Peter Jeffers wrote: >> >> >> Hi Kevin, >> Useful info but phone no and/or name of company would be handy. >> Pete >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Challis >> Sent: 07 November 2014 06:28 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort >> >> >> Factory is about 2 miles away from my house they refurb them. Sutton, Surrey. >> >> It was a friend who told me they were there I didn't know. >> >> It makes a massive difference. No more being bashed on the head. >> >> Kevin Challis >> G ODJG >> 912S Tri gear >> >> >>> On 7 Nov 2014, at 01:45, Paul McAllister wrote: >>> >>> --> >>> >>> Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to >>> do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean >>> Seitz >>> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort >>> >>> >>> I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine. >>> >>> Dean Seitz >>> >>> >>> ---- AUVRAY Michel wrote: >>>> >>>> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ? >>>> >>>> Many thanks >>>> Michel AUVRAY >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. >>>> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:20 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort Hi! All Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very obliging outfit and very competitive:- Industrial Gas Springs Limited A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group Incorporating Inflite Engineering Services 22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR United Kingdom Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594 International Tel: +44 20 8646 6596 I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends with the service. Regards to all Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister Sent: 07 November 2014 01:46 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort --> Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Seitz Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine. Dean Seitz ---- AUVRAY Michel wrote: > > Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ? > > Many thanks > Michel AUVRAY > > --- > Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort From: "John Wighton" Excellent response - thanks to all. And the details all correlate! One time before l used company details offered from the forum to find it was a knitting shop instead of an upholsterer. regards JW Do not archive. -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433109#433109 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:55 AM PST US From: Pete Lawless Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort Hi Bob Thanks for the contact info. What load did you get your struts set to? Regards Pete G-RMAC #109 On 07/11/14 09:43, Bob Harrison wrote: > > Hi! All > Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very obliging outfit and very competitive:- > > Industrial Gas Springs Limited > A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group > Incorporating Inflite Engineering Services > > 22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR > United Kingdom > > Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594 > International Tel: +44 20 8646 6596 > > I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends with the service. > Regards to all > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > > -----Original Message----- > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul McAllister > Sent: 07 November 2014 01:46 > To:europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort > > --> > > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Seitz > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM > To:europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort > > > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine. > > Dean Seitz > > > ---- AUVRAY Michel wrote: >> >> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ? >> >> Many thanks >> Michel AUVRAY >> >> --- >> Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:09 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort Another option is to use adjustable gas struts. Pressure adjustable from 20 to 400 (Newtons?).Cost =A3 14.50 for the steel version. Also available in stainless.Karl > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort > From: john@wighton.net > Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2014 00:30:57 -0800 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per inch ( i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for Florida climate). > > I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed that in other planes to overly stiff struts. > > The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the refurb com pany a value they can use. > > Where is this place in Surrey Kevin? > > regards > JW > > -------- > John Wighton > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433101#433101 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:09 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort Hi! Pete, The struts are made by them so they pressure them up to design performance ( In other words I didn't ask even !) However I have done the mod. that revises the mounting further down the door so eliminating the pressure reaction upwards on the door rear corner and re-enforcing of the door rear frame. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: 07 November 2014 13:33 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort Hi Bob Thanks for the contact info. What load did you get your struts set to? Regards Pete G-RMAC #109 On 07/11/14 09:43, Bob Harrison wrote: > --> Harrison" > > Hi! All > Industrial Gas Springs provide a refill/re-charge service, very > obliging outfit and very competitive:- > > Industrial Gas Springs Limited > A wholly owned subsidiary of Swan Investments Group Incorporating > Inflite Engineering Services > > 22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey CR4 4HR > United Kingdom > > Tel: 020 8646 6596 - Fax: 020 8646 6594 International Tel: +44 20 8646 > 6596 > > I had mine done some time ago still OK . They will also provide new ball ends with the service. > Regards to all > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > > -----Original Message----- > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul > McAllister > Sent: 07 November 2014 01:46 > To:europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort > > --> > > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to > do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean > Seitz > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM To:europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort > > > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine. > > Dean Seitz > > > ---- AUVRAY Michel wrote: >> >> Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ? >> >> Many thanks >> Michel AUVRAY >> >> --- >> Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:29 AM PST US From: AUVRAY Michel Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort Many thanks Karl, Where it is possible to buy? Is it possible you send to me an adress Michel AUVRAY Builder 145 Le 07/11/2014 14:55, Karl Heindl a crit : > *Another option is to use adjustable gas struts. Pressure adjustable > from 20 to 400 (Newtons?).* > *Cost 14.50 for the steel version. Also available in stainless.* > *Karl > * > > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort > > From: john@wighton.net > > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:30:57 -0800 > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Interested in the door strut stiffness (it is not a load). Mine are > weak and need refurb/change. I take it the values given in lbf are per > inch (i.e. 50lbf/in)? Bud uses Newtons (is that 26N/mm Bud?) which > works out at around 148 lbf/in which seems high (especially for > Florida climate). > > > > I never experienced significant door distortion and have attributed > that in other planes to overly stiff struts. > > > > The pressure fill value of 1400psi is useful as that gives the > refurb company a value they can use. > > > > Where is this place in Surrey Kevin? > > > > regards > > JW > > > > -------- > > John Wighton > > Europa XS trigear G-IPOD > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433101#433101 > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > * > > > * --- Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! Antivirus est active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:56 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort Michel=2C Look at www.wdsltd.co.uk. I think the correct part number is 550-0615100 f or the steel version.I am sure they will ship to France.Karl From: mau11@orange.fr Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Many thanks Karl=2C =0A Where it is possible to buy? =0A Is it possible you send to me an adress =0A =0A Michel AUVRAY =0A Builder 145 =0A =0A =0A Le 07/11/2014 14:55=2C Karl Heindl a=0A =E9crit : =0A =0A =0A =0A Another option is to use adjustable gas struts.=0A Pressure adjustable from 20 to 400 (Newtons?).=0A Cost =A3 14.50 for the steel version. 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I see the adjustable gas struts, They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original struts ?, do they fit. the Europa OK, Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing it.? Price is 14.50 My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modify the other one to the center position. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433131#433131 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:06 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Walking The Line From: "Alan Carter" Hi ALL. I can disorientate a person in under 3 minutes, So how can this Tightrope walker, walk a wire stretched between two sky scrapper blindfolded. The brain needs reference information to lock onto , or does it.???? Does he have some Electronic Geo reference information feed to him by wireless,??? Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433135#433135 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Walking The Line From: danny shepherd Easy he had a couple of points first !!!! Alan Carter wrote: Hi ALL. I can disorientate a person in under 3 minutes, So how can this Tightrope walker, walk a wire stretched between two sky scrapper blindfolded. The brain needs reference information to lock onto , or does it.???? Does he have some Electronic Geo reference information feed to him by wireless,??? Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433135#433135 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:53 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Walking The Line From: "Alan Carter" Hi Danny. Not How that would work. Or did you mean he had a couple of pints first, Now that might work. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433137#433137 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:02 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Europa-List: Crimping terminals I am getting ready to make up the wiring harnes for my new Trig radio and transponder and see that they use MIL -C-24308 connectors with M39029/63-368 crimped pins. The recommendation is to use the DMC AFM8 crimping tool, which seems expensive. Has anyone used a more modest crimping tool with success? Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:21 PM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: Crimping terminals I was a rebel and went with solder cups for my trig pair, which I then reduxd for stability and fatigue prevention. So far, so good :-) Cheers, Pete A239 > On Nov 7, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Steven Pitt wrote: > > > I am getting ready to make up the wiring harnes for my new Trig radio and transponder and see that they use MIL -C-24308 connectors with M39029/63-368 crimped pins. The recommendation is to use the DMC AFM8 crimping tool, which seems expensive. Has anyone used a more modest crimping tool with success? > Regards > Steve Pitt > G-SMDH > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:29 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort Hi Alan=2C I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exact ly the same as the ones that came with the kit=2C i.e. diameter 15mm =2C le ngth 300-310mm=2C the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm=2C and its length 100mm.You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end ( see diagram).Cheers=2CKarl > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort > From: alancarteresq@onetel.net > Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > t> > > Hi Karl. > I see the adjustable gas struts=2C > They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original s truts ?=2C do they fit. the Europa OK=2C > Also=2C 20 to 200=2C how you set the pressure=2C lowering it=2C then incr easing it.? > Price is =C2=A314.50 > > My Doors=2C One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top corner=2C Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to m odify the other one to the center position. > > Alan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433131#433131 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:00 PM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort Hallo Karl, I would be interested in a pair of these as well. Danke! Christoph Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2014, at 19:38, "Karl Heindl" > wrote: Hi Alan, I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exact ly the same as the ones that came with the kit, i.e. diameter 15mm , length 300-310mm, the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm, and its length 100mm. You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end (see dia gram). Cheers, Karl > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort > From: alancarteresq@onetel.net > Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > t> > > Hi Karl. > I see the adjustable gas struts, > They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original s truts ?, do they fit. the Europa OK, > Also, 20 to 200, how you set the pressure, lowering it, then increasing i t.? > Price is =A314.50 > > My Doors, One has been modified to the centre position and the other at t he top corner, Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to modif y the other one to the center position. > > Alan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433131#433131 > > <===================== >======= > > rsbooks.com> m> > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:08 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort Christoph=2C No problem. we'll talk before I leave.Karl From: christoph.both@acadiau.ca Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Hallo Karl=2C=0A I would be interested in a pair of these as well.=0A Danke!=0A Christoph =0A =0A Sent from my iPhone=0A =0A On Nov 7=2C 2014=2C at 19:38=2C "Karl Heindl" wrote: =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Hi Alan=2C=0A =0A =0A I will be ordering a couple when I am in the UK. The measurements are exact ly the same as the ones that came with the kit=2C i.e. diameter 15mm =2C le ngth 300-310mm=2C the diameter of the 'piston' rod is 6mm=2C and its length 100mm.=0A You adjust the pressure (20-400 btw) by turning a screw at one end (see dia gram).=0A Cheers=2C=0A Karl=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gas spring effort =0A > From: alancarteresq@onetel.net =0A > Date: Fri=2C 7 Nov 2014 13:45:15 -0800 =0A > To: europa-list@matronics.com =0A > =0A t> =0A > =0A > Hi Karl. =0A > I see the adjustable gas struts=2C =0A > They look from the photo a little thicker in diameter than the original s truts ?=2C do they fit. the Europa OK=2C =0A > Also=2C 20 to 200=2C how you set the pressure=2C lowering it=2C then incr easing it.? =0A > Price is =A314.50 =0A > =0A > My Doors=2C One has been modified to the centre position and the other at the top corner=2C Both have suffered the door being distorted. I need to m odify the other one to the center position. =0A > =0A > Alan =0A > =0A > =0A > =0A > =0A > Read this topic online here: =0A > =0A > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433131#433131 =0A > =0A > <===================== =0A >======= =0A > =0A > =0A > =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ectric.com=0A ">www.buildersbooks.com=0A builthelp.com=0A lotstore.com=0A m=0A .matronics.com/contribution=0A ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List=0A ics.com=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:27 PM PST US From: Dean Seitz Subject: RE: Europa-List: Gas spring effort I made an adapter to fit in the end of the spring with an oring. Used a bottle with over 1500lbs. 38lbs was measured on a bathroom scale pushing the spring down on it. 60lbs after filling. If you check into adjustable ones they are filled to a max pressure and then you let out the amount of pressure to meet your strength requirements. The basic formula for the strength is psi times area of piston in sq inches. There are some other variables but they don't make enough difference to matter here. So the piston is around .05sq in times 1400 equals 70lbs. I didn't have the ability to measure the pressure exactly so it could have been more like 1300psi. Dean Seitz ---- Paul McAllister wrote: > > Hi Dean, where did you get yours refilled. I couldn't find anyone to do it and ended up buying new ones. - Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dean Seitz > Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2014 7:23 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gas spring effort > > > I just refilled mine. They were at about 38lbs and saging. I filled them to about 1400psi which came out to about 60lbs. They feel a little stiff but I have not felt a new one in a long time. 50lbs may be OK but at 60 it work fine. > > Dean Seitz > > > ---- AUVRAY Michel wrote: > > > > Doe's anyony know the spring load (lb) of door gas spring ? > > > > Many thanks > > Michel AUVRAY > > > > --- > > Ce courrier lectronique ne contient aucun virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! 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