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0. 12:34 AM - A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:39 AM - Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 (tennant)
2. 02:29 AM - Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 (Alan Carter)
3. 07:16 AM - Carbon Fibre (Richard Iddon)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Carbon Fibre (David Watts)
5. 09:41 AM - Acceptable runway length? (Rick Moss)
6. 10:04 AM - Re: Acceptable runway length? (David Watts)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: Acceptable runway length? (Pete Lawless)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: Carbon Fibre (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
9. 10:43 AM - Re: Carbon Fibre (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
10. 01:22 PM - Re: Acceptable runway length? (Rick Moss)
11. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Acceptable runway length? (David Watts)
12. 02:12 PM - Re: Acceptable runway length? (pmorgans)
13. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Acceptable runway length? (Pete Lawless)
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| Subject: | A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... |
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| Subject: | Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 |
Alan,
That sounds about right for the Europa. I don't usually fly so slowly but I checked
yesterday and got the following:
MP 25,5
3000 ft
14 L / hr
115 Kt
Mono
The fuel flow takes some time to calibrate, it took me about 3 years to get it
spot on.
Barry
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At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: 57 minuts on 13 ltrs on a 914 |
Hi Barry,
That's pretty good. Mono,s are quit fast.
My figures are for a Tri Gear, with the speed kit on, and using MTOW
1370 Lbs so again a good burn
It will do 120 but 110 to 115 feels right.
Alan
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Not quite a Europa question but I note that several contributors have made parts
for the Europa with carbon Fibre. I need to make a repair to a part for a boat
out of carbon fibre (sorry, not the plane). Is it the same as working with
epoxy / glassfibre? Can I use the same resin or are there special considerations
for working with carbon?
Richard Iddon.
G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Fibre |
Richard
You can use the same resin for carbon fibre work. The major considerations come
with sanding etc. make sure you wear a very good mask and watch out for getting
"carbon splinters" in your skin.
I am sure others would have more advice.
Dave Watts
> On 10 Nov 2014, at 15:15, Richard Iddon <riddon@sent.com> wrote:
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> Not quite a Europa question but I note that several contributors have made parts
for the Europa with carbon Fibre. I need to make a repair to a part for a
boat out of carbon fibre (sorry, not the plane). Is it the same as working with
epoxy / glassfibre? Can I use the same resin or are there special considerations
for working with carbon?
>
> Richard Iddon.
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> G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Acceptable runway length? |
Hi all,
I'm new to the Europa, and trying to get to grips with what constitutes an acceptable
runway length, having come to the conclusion that the quoted 600' is somewhat
optimistic! (although perhaps achievable on tarmac with a very healthy
pull at Vs+1kt?).
I'm flying from an undulating 500m grass strip at 1000'. Every flight thus far
has been made with a 90 crosswind. At one end of my strip is a 40' obstacle.
My Europa is an XS with a 912S and Airmaster CS prop. The strip drains well, but
as winter approaches it will inevitably get soft.
In terms of landing, I have never used more than around 300m when approaching at
63kts. On takeoff, it seems to use 300m+ to lift off and then accelerate in
ground effect to climb away (at a sprightly 1200 fpm at 75kts).
What sort of runway legth do you guys look for? What is your personal minima?
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| Subject: | Re: Acceptable runway length? |
Hi Rick,
I operate, along with 3 other Europa's from a UK grass aerodrome which certainly
gets wet in the winter, in fact regularly going under 12" of water. 2 of the
Europa's are Tri-gear, the others mono and all except one use a 912S with CS/variable
props.
We have one runway of 750 Mtrs and another of 470 Mtrs with trees on each end.
We regularly use both runways all year. On the longer runway we have one taxiway
from the hangars which is 220 Mtrs from the end of the runway and when using
that runway all are always airborne before the taxiway (so 200 Mtrs or less
ground roll).
Equally, when landing, if we get it right (NOT ALWAYS) some of us can turn off
at the taxiway (so again less than 200mtrs).
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
> On 10 Nov 2014, at 17:41, Rick Moss <Rkwmoss@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> I'm new to the Europa, and trying to get to grips with what constitutes an acceptable
runway length, having come to the conclusion that the quoted 600' is
somewhat optimistic! (although perhaps achievable on tarmac with a very healthy
pull at Vs+1kt?).
>
> I'm flying from an undulating 500m grass strip at 1000'. Every flight thus far
has been made with a 90 crosswind. At one end of my strip is a 40' obstacle.
>
> My Europa is an XS with a 912S and Airmaster CS prop. The strip drains well,
but as winter approaches it will inevitably get soft.
>
> In terms of landing, I have never used more than around 300m when approaching
at 63kts. On takeoff, it seems to use 300m+ to lift off and then accelerate in
ground effect to climb away (at a sprightly 1200 fpm at 75kts).
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> What sort of runway legth do you guys look for? What is your personal minima?
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| Subject: | Re: Acceptable runway length? |
Hi Rick
What sort of rpm are you getting on the roll? 300 m+ sounds a bit long
to me for a 912s. I only get near that on a hot day at max weight with
a 912ul (80hp).
Pete
G-RMAC #109
On 10/11/14 17:41, Rick Moss wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm new to the Europa, and trying to get to grips with what constitutes an acceptable
runway length, having come to the conclusion that the quoted 600' is
somewhat optimistic! (although perhaps achievable on tarmac with a very healthy
pull at Vs+1kt?).
>
> I'm flying from an undulating 500m grass strip at 1000'. Every flight thus far
has been made with a 90 crosswind. At one end of my strip is a 40' obstacle.
>
> My Europa is an XS with a 912S and Airmaster CS prop. The strip drains well,
but as winter approaches it will inevitably get soft.
>
> In terms of landing, I have never used more than around 300m when approaching
at 63kts. On takeoff, it seems to use 300m+ to lift off and then accelerate in
ground effect to climb away (at a sprightly 1200 fpm at 75kts).
>
> What sort of runway legth do you guys look for? What is your personal minima?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433341#433341
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Fibre |
Richard, I have built polyester canoes and have played around with
carbon fibre - so have experience of both systems. It's not clear from
your mail whether your boat is constructed out of carbon and you need
to repair it, or if you just fancy repairing a glass fibre boat using
carbon.
The actual techniques are broadly the same but I would always
recommend repairing like with like. If your boat is made out of
chopped strand mat (CSM) and polyester resign, then use the same to
repair it.
There is a lot of miss-understanding concerning carbon and if used in
the wrong place, can actually result in a weaker repair. Because
carbon is so stiff, it can take all of the load in a structure,
meaning the weaker material (glass) takes less; the then overloaded
carbon simply fractures. Imagine bonding a piece of glass to a hose
pipe - then flexing it.
Nigel
Quoting Richard Iddon <riddon@sent.com>:
>
> Not quite a Europa question but I note that several contributors
> have made parts for the Europa with carbon Fibre. I need to make a
> repair to a part for a boat out of carbon fibre (sorry, not the
> plane). Is it the same as working with epoxy / glassfibre? Can I use
> the same resin or are there special considerations for working with
> carbon?
>
> Richard Iddon.
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> G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Carbon Fibre |
Absolutely right Nigel, and better than I could have put it.=0AGraham=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.c
o.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent
: Monday, 10 November 2014, 18:31=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Carbon Fibre
=0ARichard, I have built polyester canoes and have played around with carbo
n fibre - so have experience of both systems. It's not clear from your mail
whether your boat is constructed out of carbon and you need to repair it,
or if you just fancy repairing a glass fibre boat using carbon.=0AThe actua
l techniques are broadly the same but I would always recommend repairing li
ke with like. If your boat is made out of chopped strand mat (CSM) and poly
ester resign, then use the same to repair it.=0AThere is a lot of miss-unde
rstanding concerning carbon and if used in the wrong place, can actually re
sult in a weaker repair. Because carbon is so stiff, it can take all of the
load in a structure, meaning the weaker material (glass) takes less; the t
hen overloaded carbon simply fractures. Imagine bonding a piece of glass to
a hose pipe - then flexing it.=0A=0ANigel=0A=0AQuoting Richard Iddon <ridd
on@sent.com>=0A> =0A> Not quite a Europa question but I note that several c
ontributors have made parts for the Europa with carbon Fibre.- I need to
make a repair to a part for a boat out of carbon fibre (sorry, not the plan
e). Is it the same as working with epoxy / glassfibre? Can I use the same r
esin or are there special considerations for working with carbon?=0A> =0A>
=========================0A
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| Subject: | Re: Acceptable runway length? |
Hi Pete:
I'm running the Constant Speed Unit set to 5700rpm on takeoff, and holding a little
aft pressure on the stick; it lifts off around 50-55kts ias with half flap.
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| Subject: | Re: Acceptable runway length? |
Rick,
I've only got 40 hours on the Tri-gear Europa (1,800 on the Mono-wheel) but it
sounds to me like you need to hold a bit more aft pressure on the stick. I have
found that the Tri-gear leaves the ground at 45 or even as low as 40, even on
grass, depending on how close cut it is. You really need to make sure the nose
wheel is off the ground as much as possible as it causes tremendous drag when
on grass, to the extent that if the grass is long enough and wet enough you
won't even get off.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
> On 10 Nov 2014, at 21:22, Rick Moss <Rkwmoss@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Pete:
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> I'm running the Constant Speed Unit set to 5700rpm on takeoff, and holding a
little aft pressure on the stick; it lifts off around 50-55kts ias with half flap.
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| Subject: | Re: Acceptable runway length? |
Hi Everybody,
I'm relatively low hours (30) on an XS Trigear with 912s and Airmaster CS. Have
stuck with the 17.5 degree book setting so far; which seems 'draggy', even solo
on tarmac. Does anyone have optimum settings for different loadings?
Thanks
Peter Morgans
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The Titanic was built by professionals; the Ark by an amateur
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| Subject: | Re: Acceptable runway length? |
Hi Rick
Sorry I missed the tri gear bit! Mine is mono your small wheels will be
a bit more draggy. Revs sound ok. Mine is variable pitch but no CSU,
so set for 5,600 static which gives me about 5,700 on the roll and 5,800
by about 70 kts.
Regards
Pete
On 10/11/14 21:22, Rick Moss wrote:
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> Hi Pete:
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> I'm running the Constant Speed Unit set to 5700rpm on takeoff, and holding a
little aft pressure on the stick; it lifts off around 50-55kts ias with half flap.
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433353#433353
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