---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/23/14: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 09:33 AM - Just A Few Days Left... (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:10 AM - Re: Re: Stern post access panel (David Watts) 2. 01:12 AM - Re: Stern post access panel (Nigel Graham) 3. 10:26 AM - Re: firewall mountings and penetrations (rampil) 4. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: MOD 24 Seat Width Increase (Martin Tuck) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:58 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Just A Few Days Left... Dear Listers, There are just a few days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose from this year. 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Stern post access panel From: David Watts My mono, classic with the XS Tailwheel spring, has now got over 2,100 hours on it over the last 17 years and I have never found the need for any other access for maintenance than is afforded by the standard access panel under the tailplane which I used to install the Tailwheel spring when it first came out. Dave Watts G-BXDY > On 23 Nov 2014, at 07:52, spcialeffects wrote: > > > Thanks for the reply Nigel. I am building a mono, classic. With the tail spring bonded to the stern post I can see how some load would be transferred into the post, however unlike the tri gear vent photo I am putting back what Iv removed which must strengthen in back up a bit? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434373#434373 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:03 AM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stern post access panel Hi Tony, My first post wasn't very well worded. The stern post is, as you say, immensely strong and shouldn't give cause for worry. My concern is for the proximity of a large diameter hole so close to the tailwheel spring mounting point. The tailwheel loads on a mono will be dissipated upwards through the sternpost. By placing the inspection hole immediately above it in the load path, there is a possibility of failure should the aircraft experience a ground loop or particularly heavy tail-down landing. The farther away this hole is placed from the spring, and the smaller the diameter of the hole, the less likelihood of a problem. The position is of course, dictated by the alignment of the pitch push-rod (as per O.P.'s post). The trig-gear does not have this problem as it has no tail spring. Nigel On 23/11/2014 03:04, Tony Renshaw wrote: > > Hi Nigel, > Why would you worry about the sternpost carrying some of the load? The way it is reduxed in, well I would think it should make no difference as it is such a strong member. I for example am building a Classic, but have incorporated a sternpost. My tail spring sits quite tightly in the sternpost, and mine is a mono wheel, actually a taildragger. Id like to know if anyone else sees this as an issue? > Regards > Tony Renshaw > P.S. I have thought of reinforcing the tail area nevertheless, as that hole for access is a big one. > >> On 23 Nov 2014, at 11:23 am, Nigel Graham wrote: >> >> >> I'm not aware of a mod ever being requested for this. >> If you are building a mono wheel with a tail spring, then this might not be a great idea as the stern post will carry some of the weight of the aircraft on the ground. >> If on the other hand you are building a tri-gear, then would think that the stern post will not be subjected to any great loads that low down, so it shouldn't be a problem. G-IANI is a tri-gear. >> >> Nigel >> >> On 22/11/2014 22:39, spcialeffects wrote: >>> >>> Hello all. I would like to make an access panel in the stern post in case I need to remove the long control shaft and also to make it easier for access into the tail end For maintance. My inspector is a bit dubious about cutting into the post but I said to him that I got the idea after seeing that G-IANI has a vent from the D panel to the stern post. So my question is, is there a mod for this install on G-IAN >>> >>> Attachments: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_995.jpg >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: firewall mountings and penetrations From: "rampil" A few suggestions: 1. Make access panels in the firewall above the footwell. Layer the panel with stainless on the engine side. The panel is absolutely invaluable to reach and work on the inside of the panel module without having to remove it from aircraft. 2. Plan ahead that there will be times where removal of the instrument panel will necessary. fixed wires running through to the engine area will preclude that. The safest, most reasonable approach is to use multipin, metal shell circular amphenol connectors -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434462#434462 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/amphenolfirewall_205.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/readfirewallpanels_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/firewallpanels_118.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:41 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: MOD 24 Seat Width Increase Hi Clive, Unfortunately y Europa was built before the proliferation of digital cameras and the photo I sent you was scanned from a print taken from a 35mm camera. You are right though, I had to think about the brake cylinder, but as you can see I made a small bullet type fairing shape using the same foam block and glass method used for the tunnel sides. Otherwise both sides were the same. Regards, Martin On 11/22/2014 1:34 AM, Clive Sutton wrote: > > Thanks Martin, I was interested to see if both sides were tackled and how the brake cylinder were handled. Could you send me a larger image directly? My email is clive.maf@googlemail.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434331#434331 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.