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Thu 11/27/14


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     1. 12:17 AM - Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? (Roland)
     2. 12:33 AM - Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? (John Wighton)
     3. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? (Brian Davies)
     4. 08:31 AM - Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? (tennant)
     5. 07:12 PM - Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? (Bud Yerly)
     6. 07:38 PM - Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? (Hal Carpenter)
     7. 08:01 PM - Thanksgiving (Bud Yerly)
     8. 08:15 PM - Re: Thanksgiving (Jeff@rmmm.net)
     9. 08:29 PM - Re: Thanksgiving (Robert Borger)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:17:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol?
    From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
    Hi Gordon, FWIW, my Europa has always run on Mogas since 2001. I own it since 2011 and refuel with Premium with 5% Ethanol from the gas station after every flight without any problems. Fuel filters are absolutely clean. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434809#434809


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    Time: 12:33:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol?
    From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
    Gordon, I am inclined to turn the question around - where have you been buying Mogas with no Ethanol in it? I religiously tested all fuel used in my Europa from 2009 to 2012 without getting a positive result. Then l found the specification for EN228:2008 which states that up to 5% Ethanol can be used. I had also used BS 7800:2006 (RON 97) Super-unleaded in the belief that it would be better for the Rotax. I suffered some vapourisation issues with that fuel. Checking the spec indicates that zero Ethanol is allowed. EN228 RON 95 fuel contains 5% Ethanol. See attachment. There is also some usual guidance on the web, including the following: (from sam-manicom.com/2012/03/a-question-of-ethanol/), which concludes: "So, ethanol is here to stay and we all need to adapt, use additives, adjust mixtures, replace sensitive components etc etc etc. On the other hand, we may all have being putting ethanol in our tanks since 1988 and almost certainly since 2002. So, if it hasnt broken yet, and if we can hang on to 5% maximum ethanol content fuels (the so-called protection grades) then we might just carry on as we are." I recommend a really good look around and in (borrow a boroscope) your tank at each annual. Checking the finger strainers and filters should reveal any breakdown in tank treatment. Regards John W -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434810#434810 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bs_en_228_2008_regular_unleaded_903.pdf


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    Time: 07:57:06 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with
    ethanol? The latest issue of the UK CAA document CAP747 removes the blanket prohibition on the use of fuels with Ethanol so the LAA will be issuing a Technical Leaflet giving guidance on the use of fuels with Ethanol shortly. Note that in the UK, Super- unleaded RON97 is now produced to EN228 spec so the vapour lock characteristics are now the same as RON 95. Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Wighton Sent: 27 November 2014 08:33 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? Gordon, I am inclined to turn the question around - where have you been buying Mogas with no Ethanol in it? I religiously tested all fuel used in my Europa from 2009 to 2012 without getting a positive result. Then l found the specification for EN228:2008 which states that up to 5% Ethanol can be used. I had also used BS 7800:2006 (RON 97) Super-unleaded in the belief that it would be better for the Rotax. I suffered some vapourisation issues with that fuel. Checking the spec indicates that zero Ethanol is allowed. EN228 RON 95 fuel contains 5% Ethanol. See attachment. There is also some usual guidance on the web, including the following: (from sam-manicom.com/2012/03/a-question-of-ethanol/), which concludes: "So, ethanol is here to stay and we all need to adapt, use additives, adjust mixtures, replace sensitive components etc etc etc. On the other hand, we may all have being putting ethanol in our tanks since 1988 and almost certainly since 2002. So, if it hasnt broken yet, and if we can hang on to 5% maximum ethanol content fuels (the so-called protection grades) then we might just carry on as we are." I recommend a really good look around and in (borrow a boroscope) your tank at each annual. Checking the finger strainers and filters should reveal any breakdown in tank treatment. Regards John W -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434810#434810 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bs_en_228_2008_regular_unleaded_903.pdf ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 08:31:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol?
    From: "tennant" <barrington.tennant@gmail.com>
    I have been using "pump fuel" with up to 10% Ethanol for 17 years but I always use Avgas when the temperatures are likely to reach below 0 deg C and above 30 deg C. I had some degrading of the original fuel lines supplied by Europa in the 90's and had to change them out for standard car hoses. No leaks or problems, and since I changed the hoses and the Jubilee clips for decent ones it does not small of petrol!! Barry Tennant -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434819#434819


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    Time: 07:12:24 PM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol?
    Gordon, At the shop we have seen the results of up to 10% ethanol in MOGAS. I did a paper on the pros and cons of MOGAS vs AVGAS. See my website: www.customflightcreations.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/ethanol.pdf Effects ethanol on the Europa are summarized and editorialized below: The fuel tank is unaffected by ethanol (or alcohol) of any type. The "plastic tanks" are not as prone to water condensation as metal tanks are. Note: Ethanol absorbs water, so read below. The fuel filler neck (that 57 degree black rubber hose between the tank and the FS18 cobra neck inlet tube) tends to harden with ethanol laced fuel when the tank is filled well into the neck. It also tends to stink. Using 2 inch aluminum pipe bent or welded to the proper angle and trimmed close the the plastic tank and FS18, cures this. The Red stripped fuel hose used on the fuel tank bosses are fine, especially if you change the hoses every 5 years anyway. When installed properly, the hose doesn't contact the fuel. I've been known to use ProSeal 890 to seal the aluminum to tank boss gap then put the hose on to assure a good seal. The Redux used to secure the coarse screens in the tank fuel fittings tends to get brittle with exposure to ethanol. About the 10 year point or so it's really crumbly. It may be a good idea on the 5 year hose change to pull these fittings and inspect /replace the Redux. Since ethanol laced fuel cannot be used in ANY fiberglass tank (epoxy or polyester) that problem should be expected. Pro Seal (PPG 890) fuel sealant will soften with ethanol but holds up well with up to 10 percent ethanol. Fuel delivery lines should be of the newer SAE J30 R-9 or better. In the US, the EPA carb fuel lines (now a SAE J30 R 14 or better (incorporates a synthetic flourelastomer liner) have proven to be quite reliable. The fuel hose has an inner liner and a normal outer rubber with fiber reinforcement in the rubber section and works well on barbed fittings. The fuel smell does not permeate these lines. Caution, do not over tighten these lines with your hose clamps. The braided fuel hose sold by Aeroquip is not double lined and tends to permeate the smell through the lines over time, but I only use them in the mono wheel well, and have no smell problems with the MOGAS as the wheel well is ventilated. Everywhere else in the mono, I use an SAE J30 R-14 line. IF USING MOGAS WITH AEROQUIP RUBBER LINES, change them at 5 years as although they seem fine with ethanol up to 10%, they do harden over time. Teflon fuel lines are fine, but know your fuel line. PTFE fuel lines crack just like the tank does with flexing. Do not bend them beyond their radius. Use only proper fittings, and in our experience, these lines take a set after a few years. If removed and bent from their original shape during re-installation, test them as they do crack easily if flexed. Nothing lasts forever, so I tend not to use these lines as they are expensive to purchase and make, and over time have proven to be fragile... The fuel pumps are OK as the Facet pumps for the 912 Series can handle up to 10% ethanol. The Piersburgs fail about every 5-7 years in some way so I can't verify the 914 pumps over time. The Rotax engine and its components is fine with fuel with up to 10% ethanol. Mechanics have concerns about flying with ethanol of 10% due to vaporization. Read on below. Many have commented on and shared their own experiences with ethanol laced fuel in the past. Do your research. My clients get shown a video we did on ethanol effects on a 914 and its tank from an aircraft that sat for six months with a half a tank of MOGAS with 10% ethanol gas. It is sobering. Here are the problems I have experienced: Ethanol laced fuel should not be stored in the aircraft for any longer than 30 days. Especially if in low temp high humidity conditions such as winter. Water condenses in the fuel over time and once the ethanol reaches water saturation, a layer of nasty scum forms in the water on the bottom of the tank. This is some sort of fungus by the looks of it and quite tough to clean out. Even if the aircraft was properly decommissioned at the end of the flying season, pull the carb float bowls, clean them, re-commission the engine and prep for startup. Ethanol fuel will also affect the oil so be sure to put new oil in at the end of the season, fog the cylinders and turn the engine over to keep the gears and cylinders coated. When in doubt or buying a used aircraft, fuel lines which do not meet the current fuel permeation standards tend not to leak but do allow the fuel scent to permeate through the lines and smell up the aircraft (so you think you have a leak) and are brittle or cracked on the ends, so do yourself a favor and replace them. Rotax 91X engines: Ethanol will corrode the carb bowls if the fuel is left to sit for a few months (many manufacturers say degradation begins in less than 30 days). The aluminum coating in the float bowls actually flakes off the bottom. This particulate causes premature wear in the main and needle jets and can clog the jets. The 912S and 914, with the higher octane rating requirements, are fine with fresh MOGAS fuel. However, six month old premium fuel in Florida or wet climates will absorb water, to saturation and will lower the ethanol content and octane. I have never had a problem with detonation or pinging at high power after the aircraft has set in the hanger up to 30 days. Plugs look good over 50 hours of engine operation at cruise operation and local flying. (Sorry, but I change plugs every annual and typically average only 50 to 100 hours per year, and since plugs are cheap, I don't clean them.) Flying with fresh ethanol MOGAS has not been a problem. Up to 10K we have had no problems with vaporization, detonation or misfires over various power settings ranging from max power down to 65% power. Some reliable sources have commented that after landing on a cross country fuel stop, fuel vaporization has prevented engine start. I have not had the problem as we properly shield and run our fuel lines clear of heat sources and always use fresh fuel. We do Young Eagle orientation flights and have found on hot summer days, engine restarts between two and three flights have been problem free. Bottom line is, don't leave ethanol laced fuel in the system over a month (my opinion) and if the plane is to be stored for any length of time (over 30 days), use a fuel stabilizer and run it through the engine to assure the fuel additive fills the float bowls. Even if the aircraft was properly decommissioned at the end of the flying season, pull the carb float bowls, clean them, re-commission the engine and prep for startup. Drain the MOGAS and refill with fresh fuel. OR, drain or burn off the ethanol MOGAS and fill completely with 100LL AVGAS. It is fairly easy to just use AVGAS in your last couple of tanks of the year then ad a fuel stabilizer if you like, and put the covers on the plane until flying again. Some aviation fuel suppliers say that 100LL does lose some of its lead and should not be used if stagnant in the tanks for a year, but Shell Aviation experts says properly stored and free of water, AVGAS lasts for years with no degradation. I do not use ethanol fuel in my 914 any longer as our local MOGAS fuel suppliers can only supply 92 octane, and can't guarantee it being that high after only a short period of time. I do not leave even AVGAS in my tank for over six months without pumping out a large amount to assure the bottom of the tank, filters and float bowls are clean, and the fuel has the right color, odor and cleanliness. I change oil every 25 hours with AVGAS and use a fuel additive (Decalin) to keep the lead in suspension. Works Great. The fuel price difference and extra oil cost is made back in consistent engine operation and piece of mind. Best Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations, Inc. -------------------------------------------------- From: "GBWFH2010" <gaxuk2001@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:38 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol? > > It is getting difficult to obtain ethanol-free MOGAS in the UK. Given that > Rotax equipped microlights in the UK have been operating using MOGAS > containing ethanol for several years, seemingly without incident, the > indications are the CAA/LAA may be willing to grant dispensation for > ethanol based fuel on a type by type basis. > > We know the Rotax 912 is approved for up to 10% ethanol and the fuel pipes > and connectors in our Europas are the same as many microlights, so in > theory these would appear to be suitable, but my question is does anybody > know if the Europa fuel tank is ethanol resistant? If it is we may be able > to get clearance to operate on MOGAS with ethanol. > > Of course whenever possible it would always be preferable to use ethanol > free fuel, but it would be good to have the flexibility to operate legally > on MOGAS with ethanol when necessary. > > -------- > Gordon Grant > > G-BWFH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434794#434794 > > >


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    Time: 07:38:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with ethanol?
    From: Hal Carpenter <wtcef@arn.net>
    Hi Bud, Thanks for all this good information. We have used Ethanol free mogas almost exclusively...locally....trips are a different story as most airports don't keep mogas let alone e free gas. So, we carry lead binding solution. Anyway, what about the fuel caps? Have they been shipped out yet? Hal Carpenter-Amarillo, TX On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 8:11 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > > Gordon, > At the shop we have seen the results of up to 10% ethanol in MOGAS. > > I did a paper on the pros and cons of MOGAS vs AVGAS. See my website: > www.customflightcreations.com/sitebuildercontent/ > sitebuilderfiles/ethanol.pdf > > Effects ethanol on the Europa are summarized and editorialized below: > > The fuel tank is unaffected by ethanol (or alcohol) of any type. The > "plastic tanks" are not as prone to water condensation as metal tanks are. > Note: Ethanol absorbs water, so read below. > > The fuel filler neck (that 57 degree black rubber hose between the tank > and the FS18 cobra neck inlet tube) tends to harden with ethanol laced fuel > when the tank is filled well into the neck. It also tends to stink. > Using 2 inch aluminum pipe bent or welded to the proper angle and trimmed > close the the plastic tank and FS18, cures this. > > The Red stripped fuel hose used on the fuel tank bosses are fine, > especially if you change the hoses every 5 years anyway. When installed > properly, the hose doesn't contact the fuel. I've been known to use > ProSeal 890 to seal the aluminum to tank boss gap then put the hose on to > assure a good seal. > > The Redux used to secure the coarse screens in the tank fuel fittings > tends to get brittle with exposure to ethanol. About the 10 year point or > so it's really crumbly. It may be a good idea on the 5 year hose change to > pull these fittings and inspect /replace the Redux. Since ethanol laced > fuel cannot be used in ANY fiberglass tank (epoxy or polyester) that > problem should be expected. Pro Seal (PPG 890) fuel sealant will soften > with ethanol but holds up well with up to 10 percent ethanol. > > Fuel delivery lines should be of the newer SAE J30 R-9 or better. In the > US, the EPA carb fuel lines (now a SAE J30 R 14 or better (incorporates a > synthetic flourelastomer liner) have proven to be quite reliable. The fuel > hose has an inner liner and a normal outer rubber with fiber reinforcement > in the rubber section and works well on barbed fittings. The fuel smell > does not permeate these lines. Caution, do not over tighten these lines > with your hose clamps. > > The braided fuel hose sold by Aeroquip is not double lined and tends to > permeate the smell through the lines over time, but I only use them in the > mono wheel well, and have no smell problems with the MOGAS as the wheel > well is ventilated. Everywhere else in the mono, I use an SAE J30 R-14 > line. IF USING MOGAS WITH AEROQUIP RUBBER LINES, change them at 5 years as > although they seem fine with ethanol up to 10%, they do harden over time. > > Teflon fuel lines are fine, but know your fuel line. PTFE fuel lines > crack just like the tank does with flexing. Do not bend them beyond their > radius. Use only proper fittings, and in our experience, these lines take a > set after a few years. If removed and bent from their original shape > during re-installation, test them as they do crack easily if flexed. > Nothing lasts forever, so I tend not to use these lines as they are > expensive to purchase and make, and over time have proven to be fragile... > > The fuel pumps are OK as the Facet pumps for the 912 Series can handle up > to 10% ethanol. The Piersburgs fail about every 5-7 years in some way so > I can't verify the 914 pumps over time. > > The Rotax engine and its components is fine with fuel with up to 10% > ethanol. Mechanics have concerns about flying with ethanol of 10% due to > vaporization. Read on below. > > Many have commented on and shared their own experiences with ethanol laced > fuel in the past. Do your research. My clients get shown a video we did > on ethanol effects on a 914 and its tank from an aircraft that sat for six > months with a half a tank of MOGAS with 10% ethanol gas. It is sobering. > > Here are the problems I have experienced: > > Ethanol laced fuel should not be stored in the aircraft for any longer > than 30 days. Especially if in low temp high humidity conditions such as > winter. Water condenses in the fuel over time and once the ethanol reaches > water saturation, a layer of nasty scum forms in the water on the bottom > of the tank. This is some sort of fungus by the looks of it and quite > tough to clean out. > > Even if the aircraft was properly decommissioned at the end of the flying > season, pull the carb float bowls, clean them, re-commission the engine and > prep for startup. > > Ethanol fuel will also affect the oil so be sure to put new oil in at the > end of the season, fog the cylinders and turn the engine over to keep the > gears and cylinders coated. > > When in doubt or buying a used aircraft, fuel lines which do not meet the > current fuel permeation standards tend not to leak but do allow the fuel > scent to permeate through the lines and smell up the aircraft (so you think > you have a leak) and are brittle or cracked on the ends, so do yourself a > favor and replace them. > > Rotax 91X engines: > > Ethanol will corrode the carb bowls if the fuel is left to sit for a few > months (many manufacturers say degradation begins in less than 30 days). > The aluminum coating in the float bowls actually flakes off the bottom. > This particulate causes premature wear in the main and needle jets and can > clog the jets. > > The 912S and 914, with the higher octane rating requirements, are fine > with fresh MOGAS fuel. However, six month old premium fuel in Florida or > wet climates will absorb water, to saturation and will lower the ethanol > content and octane. I have never had a problem with detonation or pinging > at high power after the aircraft has set in the hanger up to 30 days. > Plugs look good over 50 hours of engine operation at cruise operation and > local flying. (Sorry, but I change plugs every annual and typically average > only 50 to 100 hours per year, and since plugs are cheap, I don't clean > them.) > > Flying with fresh ethanol MOGAS has not been a problem. Up to 10K we have > had no problems with vaporization, detonation or misfires over various > power settings ranging from max power down to 65% power. Some reliable > sources have commented that after landing on a cross country fuel stop, > fuel vaporization has prevented engine start. I have not had the problem > as we properly shield and run our fuel lines clear of heat sources and > always use fresh fuel. We do Young Eagle orientation flights and have > found on hot summer days, engine restarts between two and three flights > have been problem free. > > Bottom line is, don't leave ethanol laced fuel in the system over a month > (my opinion) and if the plane is to be stored for any length of time (over > 30 days), use a fuel stabilizer and run it through the engine to assure the > fuel additive fills the float bowls. Even if the aircraft was properly > decommissioned at the end of the flying season, pull the carb float bowls, > clean them, re-commission the engine and prep for startup. Drain the > MOGAS and refill with fresh fuel. > > OR, drain or burn off the ethanol MOGAS and fill completely with 100LL > AVGAS. It is fairly easy to just use AVGAS in your last couple of tanks of > the year then ad a fuel stabilizer if you like, and put the covers on the > plane until flying again. Some aviation fuel suppliers say that 100LL does > lose some of its lead and should not be used if stagnant in the tanks for a > year, but Shell Aviation experts says properly stored and free of water, > AVGAS lasts for years with no degradation. > > I do not use ethanol fuel in my 914 any longer as our local MOGAS fuel > suppliers can only supply 92 octane, and can't guarantee it being that high > after only a short period of time. I do not leave even AVGAS in my tank > for over six months without pumping out a large amount to assure the > bottom of the tank, filters and float bowls are clean, and the fuel has the > right color, odor and cleanliness. I change oil every 25 hours with AVGAS > and use a fuel additive (Decalin) to keep the lead in suspension. Works > Great. The fuel price difference and extra oil cost is made back in > consistent engine operation and piece of mind. > > Best Regards, > Bud Yerly > Custom Flight Creations, Inc. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "GBWFH2010" <gaxuk2001@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:38 PM > To: <europa-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Europa-List: Europa fuel system - is it suitable for MOGAS with > ethanol? > >> >> It is getting difficult to obtain ethanol-free MOGAS in the UK. Given >> that Rotax equipped microlights in the UK have been operating using MOGAS >> containing ethanol for several years, seemingly without incident, the >> indications are the CAA/LAA may be willing to grant dispensation for >> ethanol based fuel on a type by type basis. >> >> We know the Rotax 912 is approved for up to 10% ethanol and the fuel >> pipes and connectors in our Europas are the same as many microlights, so in >> theory these would appear to be suitable, but my question is does anybody >> know if the Europa fuel tank is ethanol resistant? If it is we may be able >> to get clearance to operate on MOGAS with ethanol. >> >> Of course whenever possible it would always be preferable to use ethanol >> free fuel, but it would be good to have the flexibility to operate legally >> on MOGAS with ethanol when necessary. >> >> -------- >> Gordon Grant >> >> G-BWFH >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434794#434794 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 08:01:16 PM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Thanksgiving
    It is Thanksgiving Holiday time here in the States. I have a lot to be thankful for... Mostly for family and friends. Thanks to all for your kind words and support during my brief prostate cancer scare. It took a year of fun and games in and out of medical facilities and Moffit Cancer Center to rid me of this. I have been returned to a class three medical and am a pilot again. I especially have to thank Dr. Ira Rampil, my aviation medical examiner, and Europa owner, for his help and support. You know you are in good hands when you get a letter from the Federal Aviation Administration telling me I am eligible for my medical with only an office visit required. Ira's knowledge, research, support and thorough professionalism was a major factor in my quick return to flying status. I am in his debt. Ira is located at Peach State Airport (KGA2) near Williamson GA. His personal office is in the Candler Field Museum, and his beautiful home and hangar are at the end of the runway. Fly in and get your medical exam, a great lunch at the restaurant and fly home. An aviators paradise. Time to get 12AY in for a quick annual and turn aviation fuel into precision air work again. Regards to all, Bud Yerly, Back in the saddle again.


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    Time: 08:15:49 PM PST US
    From: "Jeff@rmmm.net" <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
    Congratulations Bud. Sounds like you are a blessed man!! Congrats on the med ical!! Jeff Roberts N128LJ > On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > > It is Thanksgiving Holiday time here in the States. I have a lot to be th ankful for... Mostly for family and friends. > > Thanks to all for your kind words and support during my brief prostate can cer scare. It took a year of fun and games in and out of medical facilities and Moffit Cancer Center to rid me of this. > > I have been returned to a class three medical and am a pilot again. > > I especially have to thank Dr. Ira Rampil, my aviation medical examiner, a nd Europa owner, for his help and support. You know you are in good hands w hen you get a letter from the Federal Aviation Administration telling me I a m eligible for my medical with only an office visit required. Ira's knowled ge, research, support and thorough professionalism was a major factor in my q uick return to flying status. > > I am in his debt. > > Ira is located at Peach State Airport (KGA2) near Williamson GA. His pers onal office is in the Candler Field Museum, and his beautiful home and hanga r are at the end of the runway. Fly in and get your medical exam, a great l unch at the restaurant and fly home. An aviators paradise. > > Time to get 12AY in for a quick annual and turn aviation fuel into precisi on air work again. > > Regards to all, > Bud Yerly, > Back in the saddle again. > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 08:29:59 PM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: Thanksgiving
    Bud, Good going! Glad to hear that you're back in the cockpit again. Thanks for all the help and support. Thanks to Dr. Ira for getting you all fixed up. Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2014, at 22:00, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > > It is Thanksgiving Holiday time here in the States. I have a lot to be th ankful for... Mostly for family and friends. > > Thanks to all for your kind words and support during my brief prostate can cer scare. It took a year of fun and games in and out of medical facilities and Moffit Cancer Center to rid me of this. > > I have been returned to a class three medical and am a pilot again. > > I especially have to thank Dr. Ira Rampil, my aviation medical examiner, a nd Europa owner, for his help and support. You know you are in good hands w hen you get a letter from the Federal Aviation Administration telling me I a m eligible for my medical with only an office visit required. Ira's knowled ge, research, support and thorough professionalism was a major factor in my q uick return to flying status. > > I am in his debt. > > Ira is located at Peach State Airport (KGA2) near Williamson GA. His pers onal office is in the Candler Field Museum, and his beautiful home and hanga r are at the end of the runway. Fly in and get your medical exam, a great l unch at the restaurant and fly home. An aviators paradise. > > Time to get 12AY in for a quick annual and turn aviation fuel into precisi on air work again. > > Regards to all, > Bud Yerly, > Back in the saddle again. > > > > > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >




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