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2. 05:03 AM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Karl Heindl)
3. 10:43 AM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Richard Wheelwright)
4. 11:08 AM - Woodcomp Prop & Controller (N6ZY)
5. 11:24 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
6. 01:07 PM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (graeme bird)
7. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Kevin Challis)
8. 05:35 PM - Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller (Christoph Both)
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| Subject: | Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose |
Thank you for your replies. I am back at work at the moment so I won
=99t be able to get back out to look at till next week. Will definitely lo
ok at the option of moving the radiators back. I=99m not too keen on
sleeving or shielding and leaving it in the position it is so close to the
muffler. I think I might have to move it away as far as I can and Shield
it then. I agree that if Europa knew about it in the past they should pass
it on to other builders even if it only happens with some cases. I
=99m sure I would have made this modification as a precautionary process i
f i had known.
Regards,
Mark
From: Kevin Challis
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose
Yes it happened to my Tri gear luckily my friend was flying it.
The hose had been protected by thermo sleeve (sliver coated material).
It still burnt through.
The engine cooked and 4 heads and 3 barrels replaced which costs a fortune.
I moved the radiator and oil cooler back as far as possible which has left
sufficient space now.
Kevin Challis
On 2 Dec 2014, at 07:17, <markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au> <markandrhonda@h
arveyfarm.net.au> wrote:
I have a xs tri gear with a 912s ready to fly[almost]. It has 5.3 hours o
n the clock. Two days ago I was setting the pitch stops on the prop when I
lost most of the coolant. The starboard radiator hose had a hole melted thr
ough it from the muffler. The hose is only about 10mm to 15mm away from the
muffler. Has any one had this happen and if so how do you prevent it form
happening again. Luckily it happened on the ground and not on the first fl
ight or any other for that matter.
Regards Mark
QLD Australia
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| Subject: | Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose |
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Another precaution you might want to consider is to use a combination of si
licone hose and aluminium tube for the two lines to/from the radiator. You
can obtain both from autosiliconehoses.com in the UK. They also have angle
pieces so you can make up any shape including the 180 degree U-shape.But I
don't understand where your hose is so close to the muffler=2C when the ra
d is at the back.My setup is now altogether different as I positioned a cus
tom made radiator to the front of the engine between the two exhaust pipes
=2C at a 45 degree angle.
From: markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose
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| Subject: | Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose |
Kevin
Another option you may consider is to put am "L" shaped piece of Aluminumm
between the exhaust and the radiator pipe to act as a heat shield and cover
that with heat resistant material. It will be a lot easier fixing it to the air
ducting than moving the radiators back. (Just a thought)
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Richard Wheelwright
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Richard Wheelwright
G-IRPW
First Flight 24th July 2013
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| Subject: | Woodcomp Prop & Controller |
I am looking for advice on fitting a Woodcomp 2 blade prop to my trigear.
I want to fit the 1700mm prop, which requires me to slightly increase the ground
clearance. I am thinking of doing this by inserting a 1/4" shim under the fixing
bolts for the nose gear horizontal pivot block where it attaches to the
fuselage bulkhead. Has anyone done this (or any alternative method), and if so,
do you have any advice?
Secondly, does anyone have one of Mark Burton's CSC-1 prop controllers spare that
they are interested in selling? Unfortunately he does not make them any more,
and I understand that the Woodcomp controllers have a poor reputation. Alternatively
has anyone used the Airmaster controller with a Woodcomp prop to confirm
whether they are compatible? Thanks.
Jerry Fisher
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller |
Jerry, Why not fit the smaller diameter 3 bladed prop, which has worked
extremely well for several of us? Nose wheels are the Achilles heels of
any design of trigear and I would hesitate to do anything to reduce its
strength. Europa trigears seem less prone to breaking their nosewheels
(& thus breaking their props) than some other planes but it certainly
happens. Mark Burton's controller was certainly distinctly superior to
the original Woodcomp one but later versions of the Woodcomp have
largely caught up.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On 2014-12-03 19:08, N6ZY wrote:
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> I am looking for advice on fitting a Woodcomp 2 blade prop to my trigear.
> I want to fit the 1700mm prop, which requires me to slightly increase the ground
clearance. I am thinking of doing this by inserting a 1/4" shim under the
fixing bolts for the nose gear horizontal pivot block where it attaches to the
fuselage bulkhead. Has anyone done this (or any alternative method), and if so,
do you have any advice?
>
> Secondly, does anyone have one of Mark Burton's CSC-1 prop controllers spare
that they are interested in selling? Unfortunately he does not make them any more,
and I understand that the Woodcomp controllers have a poor reputation. Alternatively
has anyone used the Airmaster controller with a Woodcomp prop to confirm
whether they are compatible? Thanks.
>
> Jerry Fisher
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435265#435265 [1]
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| Subject: | Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose |
I had that pipe start to melt through early in my testing. I moved the radiator
back and changed to silicon pipe and I haven't had any problems since.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 135 hours 32 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose |
I moved them back a year ago much better than a shield and not that much work.
Great piece of mind.
Kevin Challis
> On 3 Dec 2014, at 18:42, Richard Wheelwright <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> Kevin
> Another option you may consider is to put am "L" shaped piece of Aluminumm
between the exhaust and the radiator pipe to act as a heat shield and cover
that with heat resistant material. It will be a lot easier fixing it to the air
ducting than moving the radiators back. (Just a thought)
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> Richard Wheelwright
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> G-IRPW
> First Flight 24th July 2013
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller |
I have the 1650mm 2 blade Woodcomp 3000 with a Trigear and it works great and saved
me 10 lbs up front.
Christoph Both
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> On Dec 3, 2014, at 15:08, "N6ZY" <jffisher@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am looking for advice on fitting a Woodcomp 2 blade prop to my trigear.
> I want to fit the 1700mm prop, which requires me to slightly increase the ground
clearance. I am thinking of doing this by inserting a 1/4" shim under the
fixing bolts for the nose gear horizontal pivot block where it attaches to the
fuselage bulkhead. Has anyone done this (or any alternative method), and if
so, do you have any advice?
>
> Secondly, does anyone have one of Mark Burton's CSC-1 prop controllers spare
that they are interested in selling? Unfortunately he does not make them any
more, and I understand that the Woodcomp controllers have a poor reputation.
Alternatively has anyone used the Airmaster controller with a Woodcomp prop to
confirm whether they are compatible? Thanks.
>
> Jerry Fisher
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