---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/03/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose () 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Karl Heindl) 3. 10:43 AM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Richard Wheelwright) 4. 11:08 AM - Woodcomp Prop & Controller (N6ZY) 5. 11:24 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 6. 01:07 PM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (graeme bird) 7. 01:25 PM - Re: Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Kevin Challis) 8. 05:35 PM - Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller (Christoph Both) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:26 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose Thank you for your replies. I am back at work at the moment so I won =99t be able to get back out to look at till next week. Will definitely lo ok at the option of moving the radiators back. I=99m not too keen on sleeving or shielding and leaving it in the position it is so close to the muffler. I think I might have to move it away as far as I can and Shield it then. I agree that if Europa knew about it in the past they should pass it on to other builders even if it only happens with some cases. I =99m sure I would have made this modification as a precautionary process i f i had known. Regards, Mark From: Kevin Challis Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose Yes it happened to my Tri gear luckily my friend was flying it. The hose had been protected by thermo sleeve (sliver coated material). It still burnt through. The engine cooked and 4 heads and 3 barrels replaced which costs a fortune. I moved the radiator and oil cooler back as far as possible which has left sufficient space now. Kevin Challis On 2 Dec 2014, at 07:17, wrote: I have a xs tri gear with a 912s ready to fly[almost]. It has 5.3 hours o n the clock. Two days ago I was setting the pitch stops on the prop when I lost most of the coolant. The starboard radiator hose had a hole melted thr ough it from the muffler. The hose is only about 10mm to 15mm away from the muffler. Has any one had this happen and if so how do you prevent it form happening again. Luckily it happened on the ground and not on the first fl ight or any other for that matter. Regards Mark QLD Australia --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Antivirus protec tion is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:49 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose =0A =0A =0A Mark=2C Another precaution you might want to consider is to use a combination of si licone hose and aluminium tube for the two lines to/from the radiator. You can obtain both from autosiliconehoses.com in the UK. They also have angle pieces so you can make up any shape including the 180 degree U-shape.But I don't understand where your hose is so close to the muffler=2C when the ra d is at the back.My setup is now altogether different as I positioned a cus tom made radiator to the front of the engine between the two exhaust pipes =2C at a 45 degree angle. From: markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A Thank you for your replies. I am back at work at the moment so I won=92t be =0A able to get back out to look at till next week. Will definitely look at =0A the option of moving the radiators back. I=92m not too keen on sleeving or =0A shielding and leaving it in the position it is so close to the muffler. I =0A think I might have to move it away as far as I can and Shield it then. I =0A agree that if Europa knew about it in the past they should pass it on to ot her =0A builders even if it only happens with some cases. 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Antivirus pr otection is active.=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A =0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:19 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose From: "Richard Wheelwright" Kevin Another option you may consider is to put am "L" shaped piece of Aluminumm between the exhaust and the radiator pipe to act as a heat shield and cover that with heat resistant material. It will be a lot easier fixing it to the air ducting than moving the radiators back. (Just a thought) ============================================ Richard Wheelwright ============================================ -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435263#435263 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp Prop & Controller From: "N6ZY" I am looking for advice on fitting a Woodcomp 2 blade prop to my trigear. I want to fit the 1700mm prop, which requires me to slightly increase the ground clearance. I am thinking of doing this by inserting a 1/4" shim under the fixing bolts for the nose gear horizontal pivot block where it attaches to the fuselage bulkhead. Has anyone done this (or any alternative method), and if so, do you have any advice? Secondly, does anyone have one of Mark Burton's CSC-1 prop controllers spare that they are interested in selling? Unfortunately he does not make them any more, and I understand that the Woodcomp controllers have a poor reputation. Alternatively has anyone used the Airmaster controller with a Woodcomp prop to confirm whether they are compatible? Thanks. Jerry Fisher Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435265#435265 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:56 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp Prop & Controller Jerry, Why not fit the smaller diameter 3 bladed prop, which has worked extremely well for several of us? Nose wheels are the Achilles heels of any design of trigear and I would hesitate to do anything to reduce its strength. Europa trigears seem less prone to breaking their nosewheels (& thus breaking their props) than some other planes but it certainly happens. Mark Burton's controller was certainly distinctly superior to the original Woodcomp one but later versions of the Woodcomp have largely caught up. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On 2014-12-03 19:08, N6ZY wrote: > > I am looking for advice on fitting a Woodcomp 2 blade prop to my trigear. > I want to fit the 1700mm prop, which requires me to slightly increase the ground clearance. I am thinking of doing this by inserting a 1/4" shim under the fixing bolts for the nose gear horizontal pivot block where it attaches to the fuselage bulkhead. Has anyone done this (or any alternative method), and if so, do you have any advice? > > Secondly, does anyone have one of Mark Burton's CSC-1 prop controllers spare that they are interested in selling? Unfortunately he does not make them any more, and I understand that the Woodcomp controllers have a poor reputation. Alternatively has anyone used the Airmaster controller with a Woodcomp prop to confirm whether they are compatible? Thanks. > > Jerry Fisher > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435265#435265 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435265#435265 [2] http://www.aeroelectric.com [3] http://www.buildersbooks.com [4] http://www.homebuilthelp.com [5] http://www.mypilotstore.com [6] http://www.mrrace.com [7] http://www.matronics.com/contribution [8] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [9] http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:07:49 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose From: "graeme bird" I had that pipe start to melt through early in my testing. I moved the radiator back and changed to silicon pipe and I haven't had any problems since. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 135 hours 32 months on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435272#435272 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:41 PM PST US From: Kevin Challis Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose I moved them back a year ago much better than a shield and not that much work. Great piece of mind. Kevin Challis > On 3 Dec 2014, at 18:42, Richard Wheelwright wrote: > > > Kevin > Another option you may consider is to put am "L" shaped piece of Aluminumm between the exhaust and the radiator pipe to act as a heat shield and cover that with heat resistant material. It will be a lot easier fixing it to the air ducting than moving the radiators back. (Just a thought) > > ============================================ > Richard Wheelwright > ============================================ > > -------- > Richard Wheelwright > G-IRPW > First Flight 24th July 2013 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435263#435263 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:34 PM PST US From: Christoph Both Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp Prop & Controller I have the 1650mm 2 blade Woodcomp 3000 with a Trigear and it works great and saved me 10 lbs up front. Christoph Both Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2014, at 15:08, "N6ZY" wrote: > > > I am looking for advice on fitting a Woodcomp 2 blade prop to my trigear. > I want to fit the 1700mm prop, which requires me to slightly increase the ground clearance. I am thinking of doing this by inserting a 1/4" shim under the fixing bolts for the nose gear horizontal pivot block where it attaches to the fuselage bulkhead. Has anyone done this (or any alternative method), and if so, do you have any advice? > > Secondly, does anyone have one of Mark Burton's CSC-1 prop controllers spare that they are interested in selling? Unfortunately he does not make them any more, and I understand that the Woodcomp controllers have a poor reputation. Alternatively has anyone used the Airmaster controller with a Woodcomp prop to confirm whether they are compatible? Thanks. > > Jerry Fisher > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435265#435265 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.