---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/05/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 AM - Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position (Remi Guerner) 2. 12:52 AM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Tony Renshaw) 3. 01:16 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller (John Wighton) 4. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position (Fred Klein) 5. 07:28 AM - Re: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose (Karl Heindl) 6. 04:21 PM - Re: Builders in Kent (Alan Carter) 7. 06:31 PM - Kit 111 video (phillik747) 8. 10:43 PM - Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position (JonSmith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position From: "Remi Guerner" Fred, I changed the position of my caliper a few years ago. The attached picture shows how it is now. This position was choosen so that, when in the landing gear is in the retracted position, the caliper does not interfere with the starboard rudder cable as it did before and it does not protude in the slipsream. Regards Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435354#435354 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p2180004a_103.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:40 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose Gidday Karl, With reference to these radiator issues, could I please ask if you have any photos of your setup that you could beam over so that I can keep them stockpiled till I install my engine, sometime in 2015? I have a 914, and all this talk of hoses melting surprises me that Europa aren=92t circulating something. There appears to be a lot of informal adjustment to avoid this issue, even involving those in the UK who have to build apparently to the letter of the law, but, if they had, it seems that there would have been more problems than there apparently have been. Still, it seem like there is an omission regarding this, or at least a lack of ongoing overseeing by Europa, or am I wrong? Regards Tony Renshaw > On 4 Dec 2014, at 12:03 am, Karl Heindl wrote: > > Mark, > > Another precaution you might want to consider is to use a combination of silicone hose and aluminium tube for the two lines to/from the radiator. You can obtain both from autosiliconehoses.com in the UK. They also have angle pieces so you can make up any shape including the 180 degree U-shape. > But I don't understand where your hose is so close to the muffler, when the rad is at the back. > My setup is now altogether different as I positioned a custom made radiator to the front of the engine between the two exhaust pipes, at a 45 degree angle. > > From: markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:41:46 +1000 > > Thank you for your replies. I am back at work at the moment so I won=92t be able to get back out to look at till next week. Will definitely look at the option of moving the radiators back. I=92m not too keen on sleeving or shielding and leaving it in the position it is so close to the muffler. I think I might have to move it away as far as I can and Shield it then. I agree that if Europa knew about it in the past they should pass it on to other builders even if it only happens with some cases. I=92m sure I would have made this modification as a precautionary process if i had known. > Regards, > Mark > > > > From: Kevin Challis > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:03 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose > > Yes it happened to my Tri gear luckily my friend was flying it. > > The hose had been protected by thermo sleeve (sliver coated material). > > It still burnt through. > > The engine cooked and 4 heads and 3 barrels replaced which costs a fortune. > > I moved the radiator and oil cooler back as far as possible which has left sufficient space now. > > Kevin Challis > > > On 2 Dec 2014, at 07:17, > > wrote: > > I have a xs tri gear with a 912s ready to fly[almost]. It has 5.3 hours on the clock. Two days ago I was setting the pitch stops on the prop when I lost most of the coolant. The starboard radiator hose had a hole melted through it from the muffler. The hose is only about 10mm to 15mm away from the muffler. Has any one had this happen and if so how do you prevent it form happening again. Luckily it happened on the ground and not on the first flight or any other for that matter. > > Regards Mark > QLD Australia > > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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Antivirus protection is active. > > > > ========== > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com > ank">www.mrrace.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp Prop & Controller From: "John Wighton" Jerry, I guess you are under EAA rules but be aware that any modification to the U/C would require significant amounts of work to comply with the UK (LAA rules). Typically this would involve analysis and testing. Both the leg and the mounting structure are affected. I designed a new main landing gear for the CFM Shadow/Streak some years ago, this changed the aircraft static ground attitude enough to warrant a series of flight trials as well. The EAA system means you avoid of lot of these issues, however, you do still need to check that you have adequate margins. -------- John Wighton Europa XS trigear G-IPOD Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435356#435356 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:28 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position Thanks Remi=85picture=92s worth 1000 words=85Fred > On Dec 5, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Remi Guerner wrote: > > > > Fred, > I changed the position of my caliper a few years ago. The attached picture shows how it is now. This position was choosen so that, when in the landing gear is in the retracted position, the caliper does not interfere with the starboard rudder cable as it did before and it does not protude in the slipsream. > Regards > Remi > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435354#435354 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p2180004a_103.jpg > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:58 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose Gidday Tony=2C Unfortunately I don't have any pictures yet and the aircraft is put away fo r the winter. I intend to write an article for the Europa Flyer next year w ith pictures.My and Frans Veldman's mods required considerable changes to t he lower cowling. Moving the radiator to the front does not simplify the ma in hose runs. There is very little room between engine and muffler. On the stbd side I used a long aluminum tube under the engine and then silicone to the pump. In addition I used some insulation where clearance was very tigh t. On the port side the tube/hose goes around the outside and up to the res ervoir=2C and is clear of all obstructions. But this necessitated making a slight bulge in the cowling to provide clearance going around the front exh aust manifold. Also note that silicone is much more heat resistant than rub ber. But having said all this=2C I think that the original setup was perfec tly safe=2C but pay particular attention to the oil hose coming from the bo ttom of the engine.Karl From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose Gidday Karl=2CWith reference to these radiator issues=2C could I please ask if you have any photos of your setup that you could beam over so that I ca n keep them stockpiled till I install my engine=2C sometime in 2015? I have a 914=2C and all this talk of hoses melting surprises me that Europa aren =92t circulating something. There appears to be a lot of informal adjustmen t to avoid this issue=2C even involving those in the UK who have to build a pparently to the letter of the law=2C but=2C if they had=2C it seems that t here would have been more problems than there apparently have been. Still =2C it seem like there is an omission regarding this=2C or at least a lack of ongoing overseeing by Europa=2C or am I wrong? RegardsTony Renshaw On 4 Dec 2014=2C at 12:03 am=2C Karl Heindl wrote:Mark=2C Another precaution you might want to consider is to use a combination of si licone hose and aluminium tube for the two lines to/from the radiator. You can obtain both from autosiliconehoses.com in the UK. They also have angle pieces so you can make up any shape including the 180 degree U-shape.But I don't understand where your hose is so close to the muffler=2C when the ra d is at the back.My setup is now altogether different as I positioned a cus tom made radiator to the front of the engine between the two exhaust pipes =2C at a 45 degree angle. From: markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose Thank you for your replies. I am back at work at the moment so I won=92t be able to get back out to look at till next week. Will definitely look at t he option of moving the radiators back. I=92m not too keen on sleeving or shielding and leaving it in the position it is so close to the muffler. I think I might have to move it away as far as I can and Shield it then. I a gree that if Europa knew about it in the past they should pass it on to oth er builders even if it only happens with some cases. I=92m sure I would ha ve made this modification as a precautionary process if i had known. Regar ds=2CMark From: Kevin ChallisSent: Tuesday=2C December 02=2C 2014 9:03 PM in Radiator hose Yes it happened to my Tri gear luckily my friend was flyin g it. The hose had been protected by thermo sleeve (sliver coated material ). It still burnt through. The engine cooked and 4 heads and 3 barrels rep laced which costs a fortune. I moved the radiator and oil cooler back as f ar as possible which has left sufficient space now. Kevin Challis On 2 Dec 2014=2C at 07:17=2C wrote: I have a xs tri gear with a 912s ready to fly[almost]. It has 5.3 hours on the clock. Two days ago I was setting the pitch stops on the prop when I lo st most of the coolant. The starboard radiator hose had a hole melted throu gh it from the muffler. The hose is only about 10mm to 15mm away from the m uffler. Has any one had this happen and if so how do you prevent it form h appening again. 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We met at Stapleford I think about 3years ago. I know there are some Europa's at Rochester, another at Deanland and another at Lydd. We should all pick a mid point pub and meet up say once a month would be nice, But Europa owner in the UK are not so good at mixing in. Well that's my opinion and the best way I can put it, I will be in touch, to meet up. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435387#435387 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:33 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Kit 111 video From: "phillik747" Hello all, Uploaded a quick video of flying with my Uncle in N111EU. As many of you know this Europa was the first flying in the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KllVx3Te70 -------- Kyle Europa Tri-gear (under construction) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435393#435393 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position From: "JonSmith" Hi Roland, the (revised) brake caliper position was covered in the factory tech talk issue 22 on page 13. Attached is a copy of the page. I bought a new mounting bracket from the factory some years ago to replace the original design on my classic. Five minute job (almost) to replace it and it saves carving holes in the wheel well sides! 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