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1. 12:25 AM - Re: Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position (Rowland Carson)
2. 06:33 AM - torque tube (fraser221)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: torque tube (Pete Lawless)
4. 07:48 AM - Re: torque tube (spcialeffects)
5. 08:56 AM - Re: torque tube (Karl Heindl)
6. 04:13 PM - Re: torque tube (Tony Renshaw)
7. 04:37 PM - Re: torque tube (Karl Heindl)
8. 05:14 PM - Re: torque tube (Tony Renshaw)
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| Subject: | Re: monowheel brake caliper mounting position |
On 6 Dec 2014, at 06:42, JonSmith <jonsmitheuropa@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Roland, the (revised) brake caliper position was covered in the factory tech
talk issue 22 on page 13. Attached is a copy of the page. I bought a new
mounting bracket from the factory some years ago to replace the original design
on my classic. Five minute job (almost) to replace it and it saves carving
holes in the wheel well sides! Cheers!
Jon - thanks for the info. I hadnt realised this discussion was soooo long ago!
I do have a SX kit and so my brake caliper is already in the recommended position.
I can relax now (about this issue, anyway).
in friendship
Rowland
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i am working on restoring a classic mono to flying condition and in the process
of changing the tp11 bushes for the torque tube.
i have checked the levels at 3 different points, the wing spar bushes, top of footwell
forward of the firewall and on top of the seat module behind the headrests
(on uncarpeted surface).
i get a similar reading between the spar bushes and the footwell tops but quite
different on the seat module.
is this a problem or am i right in thinking that the spar bushes should be the
one to use?
hope someone out there can assist.
Vic
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Hi Vic
The seats are part of the cockpit module glued into place as part of the
build. Very probable that it was fitted at a slight angle to the
fuselage. Should stick with the wing spar as they agree with the top of
the foot well, which is all pre moulded.
Regards
Pete
On 06/12/14 14:32, fraser221 wrote:
>
> i am working on restoring a classic mono to flying condition and in the process
of changing the tp11 bushes for the torque tube.
>
> i have checked the levels at 3 different points, the wing spar bushes, top of
footwell forward of the firewall and on top of the seat module behind the headrests
(on uncarpeted surface).
>
> i get a similar reading between the spar bushes and the footwell tops but quite
different on the seat module.
>
> is this a problem or am i right in thinking that the spar bushes should be the
one to use?
>
> hope someone out there can assist.
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435414#435414
>
>
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Hi vic. I'm in agreement with Pete about the cockpit module. As it was a separate
moulding needing to be bonded in with measure to to the footwells it may have
been off. I remember using string from the torque tube ends to the middle of
the firewall to make sure there was no sweep of the tube and I then put an inclinometer
on the tube ends to make sure they were level. Of cause the canoe
sure be level from the start
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Vic=2C
Seems to me that the tailplanes should line up with the wings=2C i.e. spar
bushes.Ignore the other readings.Karl
> Date: Sat=2C 6 Dec 2014 14:53:52 +0000
> From: pete@lawless.info
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: torque tube
>
>
> Hi Vic
>
> The seats are part of the cockpit module glued into place as part of the
> build. Very probable that it was fitted at a slight angle to the
> fuselage. Should stick with the wing spar as they agree with the top of
> the foot well=2C which is all pre moulded.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> On 06/12/14 14:32=2C fraser221 wrote:
> >
> > i am working on restoring a classic mono to flying condition and in the
process of changing the tp11 bushes for the torque tube.
> >
> > i have checked the levels at 3 different points=2C the wing spar bushes
=2C top of footwell forward of the firewall and on top of the seat module b
ehind the headrests (on uncarpeted surface).
> >
> > i get a similar reading between the spar bushes and the footwell tops b
ut quite different on the seat module.
> >
> > is this a problem or am i right in thinking that the spar bushes should
be the one to use?
> >
> > hope someone out there can assist.
> >
> > Vic
> >
> >
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> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435414#435414
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My lower fuse is in a jig, and I can twist it slightly to get the torque tub
e perfect, BUT, I have no clue it will stay there when the top goes on. It h
opefully should, but what happens if it doesn't? Does it matter if the tail p
lane isn't exactly parallel to the wings? I'll go out here on a limb and say
it doesn't matter a rats. The difference in a 1 degree displacement, which I
would consider a big error, or dare I say variance, would present a negligi
ble difference to the relative wind, and in terms of creating an asymmetric l
ift or displacement vector, that was noticeable, I just can't see it. I'd go
so far as to say you could build in an error that was large enough to be vi
sible when standing 10' in front of the spinner, a tail plane error of let's
say 5 degrees, and it would make bugger all difference. It might even impro
ve single pilot flying with asymmetric weight distribution.
Same with the wings. They were set, weren't they, when the module went in. I
reckon chasing our tails for perfection is going to only address the glarin
g anomalies, but if your cockpit module was installed half correctly, as my k
ids would say, "just chill".
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
> On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:55 am, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Vic,
>
> Seems to me that the tailplanes should line up with the wings, i.e. spar b
ushes.
> Ignore the other readings.
> Karl
>
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:53:52 +0000
> > From: pete@lawless.info
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: torque tube
> >
> >
> > Hi Vic
> >
> > The seats are part of the cockpit module glued into place as part of the
> > build. Very probable that it was fitted at a slight angle to the
> > fuselage. Should stick with the wing spar as they agree with the top of
> > the foot well, which is all pre moulded.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > On 06/12/14 14:32, fraser221 wrote:
>
> > >
> > > i am working on restoring a classic mono to flying condition and in th
e process of changing the tp11 bushes for the torque tube.
> > >
> > > i have checked the levels at 3 different points, the wing spar bushes,
top of footwell forward of the firewall and on top of the seat module behin
d the headrests (on uncarpeted surface).
> > >
> > > i get a similar reading between the spar bushes and the footwell tops b
ut quite different on the seat module.
> > >
> > > is this a problem or am i right in thinking that the spar bushes shoul
d be the one to use?
> > >
> > > hope someone out there can assist.
> > >
> > > Vic
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435414#435414
> > >
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Tony=2C
You are probably right about the rats.But to avoid a twisted fuselage=2C wh
y not cleco the top in place whenever alignment is important. I didn't bond
on the top until almost everything was finished. That included wings=2C ta
ilplanes with balance weight=2C wall and roof lining=2C all electrics etc.K
arl
From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: torque tube
My lower fuse is in a jig=2C and I can twist it slightly to get the torque
tube perfect=2C BUT=2C I have no clue it will stay there when the top goes
on. It hopefully should=2C but what happens if it doesn't? Does it matter i
f the tail plane isn't exactly parallel to the wings? I'll go out here on a
limb and say it doesn't matter a rats. The difference in a 1 degree displa
cement=2C which I would consider a big error=2C or dare I say variance=2C w
ould present a negligible difference to the relative wind=2C and in terms o
f creating an asymmetric lift or displacement vector=2C that was noticeable
=2C I just can't see it. I'd go so far as to say you could build in an erro
r that was large enough to be visible when standing 10' in front of the spi
nner=2C a tail plane error of let's say 5 degrees=2C and it would make bugg
er all difference. It might even improve single pilot flying with asymmetri
c weight distribution. Same with the wings. They were set=2C weren't they
=2C when the module went in. I reckon chasing our tails for perfection is g
oing to only address the glaring anomalies=2C but if your cockpit module wa
s installed half correctly=2C as my kids would say=2C "just chill".RegardsT
ony Renshaw
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On 6 Dec 2014=2C at 8:55 am=2C Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
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Seems to me that the tailplanes should line up with the wings=2C i.e. spar
bushes.Ignore the other readings.Karl
> Date: Sat=2C 6 Dec 2014 14:53:52 +0000
> From: pete@lawless.info
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: torque tube
>
>
> Hi Vic
>
> The seats are part of the cockpit module glued into place as part of the
> build. Very probable that it was fitted at a slight angle to the
> fuselage. Should stick with the wing spar as they agree with the top of
> the foot well=2C which is all pre moulded.
>
> Regards
>
> Pete
>
> On 06/12/14 14:32=2C fraser221 wrote:
> >
> > i am working on restoring a classic mono to flying condition and in the
process of changing the tp11 bushes for the torque tube.
> >
> > i have checked the levels at 3 different points=2C the wing spar bushes
=2C top of footwell forward of the firewall and on top of the seat module b
ehind the headrests (on uncarpeted surface).
> >
> > i get a similar reading between the spar bushes and the footwell tops b
ut quite different on the seat module.
> >
> > is this a problem or am i right in thinking that the spar bushes should
be the one to use?
> >
> > hope someone out there can assist.
> >
> > Vic
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435414#435414
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Yes Karl,
Thank god for clecos is all I can say. I hold the top on with maybe 30, but I
can go from top on to top off, or visa versa in about 5 minutes. I do that.
TR
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> On 6 Dec 2014, at 4:35 pm, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> You are probably right about the rats.
> But to avoid a twisted fuselage, why not cleco the top in place whenever a
lignment is important. I didn't bond on the top until almost everything was f
inished. That included wings, tailplanes with balance weight, wall and roof l
ining, all electrics etc.
> Karl
>
> From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: torque tube
> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 16:11:52 -0800
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
> My lower fuse is in a jig, and I can twist it slightly to get the torque t
ube perfect, BUT, I have no clue it will stay there when the top goes on. It
hopefully should, but what happens if it doesn't? Does it matter if the tai
l plane isn't exactly parallel to the wings? I'll go out here on a limb and s
ay it doesn't matter a rats. The difference in a 1 degree displacement, whic
h I would consider a big error, or dare I say variance, would present a negl
igible difference to the relative wind, and in terms of creating an asymmetr
ic lift or displacement vector, that was noticeable, I just can't see it. I'
d go so far as to say you could build in an error that was large enough to b
e visible when standing 10' in front of the spinner, a tail plane error of l
et's say 5 degrees, and it would make bugger all difference. It might even i
mprove single pilot flying with asymmetric weight distribution.
> Same with the wings. They were set, weren't they, when the module went in.
I reckon chasing our tails for perfection is going to only address the glar
ing anomalies, but if your cockpit module was installed half correctly, as m
y kids would say, "just chill".
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:55 am, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Vic,
>
> Seems to me that the tailplanes should line up with the wings, i.e. spar b
ushes.
> Ignore the other readings.
> Karl
>
> > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:53:52 +0000
> > From: pete@lawless.info
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: torque tube
> >
> >
> > Hi Vic
> >
> > The seats are part of the cockpit module glued into place as part of the
> > build. Very probable that it was fitted at a slight angle to the
> > fuselage. Should stick with the wing spar as they agree with the top of
> > the foot well, which is all pre moulded.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > On 06/12/14 14:32, fraser221 wrote:
>
> > >
> > > i am working on restoring a classic mono to flying condition and in th
e process of changing the tp11 bushes for the torque tube.
> > >
> > > i have checked the levels at 3 different points, the wing spar bushes,
top of footwell forward of the firewall and on top of the seat module behin
d the headrests (on uncarpeted surface).
> > >
> > > i get a similar reading between the spar bushes and the footwell tops b
ut quite different on the seat module.
> > >
> > > is this a problem or am i right in thinking that the spar bushes shoul
d be the one to use?
> > >
> > > hope someone out there can assist.
> > >
> > > Vic
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435414#435414
> > >
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