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1. 12:42 AM - Kit 451 Fly's (stephan cassel)
2. 12:48 AM - Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? (rparigoris)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: Kit 451 Fly's ()
4. 08:32 AM - Re: Kit 451 Fly's (William Daniell)
5. 09:32 AM - Re: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? (david park)
6. 12:05 PM - Re: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? (Keith Hickling)
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Congratulations Mark,
>It tends to drop the left wing hands off.....
Quite normal and easy to fix with a spring connected to the control system.
Same approach all RV builders/fliers use.
I can send you pictures if you want.
BTW the drop will probably increase after Christmas :-)
Best regards
Stephan
LN-STE Mono 556 Norway
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| Subject: | Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? |
Hi Group
I have an XS Monowheel with stock caliper and master cylinder.
I purchased a bleed kit from Europa which includes a screw in funnel and syringe,
but haven't quite gotten to bleeding brakes (closer than further though).
I was reading how some bicycles with single shot master cylinders bleed brakes
without making a much of a mess and getting out air in a hurry.
Two questions:
1) Does Europas funnel and syringe do an adequate job?
2) If the answer to question 1) is marginal, do you think bicycle bleed may work
better?:
I can scan and post exact procedure if anyone is interested (please just ask).
Gist is as follows:
** Bicycles use 2 syringes, one for caliper and one for caliper.
** The syringes both have a clamp/valve to close hose (squeeze hose and pinch it
off)
** The caliper syringe has a hose that will allow it to make a 180 degree bend.
Idea is you keep hose straight with syringe at bottom of hose, close clamp, pull
vacuum, tap and let air rise to top of hose. Keep doing this until most air
bubbles gone. Then p[urge air and connect to caliper bleed.
** On this bike system they had you rubber-band lever fully depressed (I didn't
ever look close enough at Europa to see if this is valid).
They then connect a syringe to the opening of the master cylinder.
** They then clamp master cylinder syringe
** They then make a 180 bend on caliper syringe and begin pulling a vacuum and
pushing, tapping things along the way until you get most of the air stuck under
the syringe piston (clever!)
** Then they release clamp on master cylinder and push caliper syringe till you
fill master cylinder syringe about half way
** Then clamp caliper syringe and begin pulling suction and pressurizing and tapping
master cylinder syringe until most bubbles gone
** Replace plug on caliper
** Top master cylinder and replace plug
OK, what says you? Stick with Europa system of bleeding, or bicycle technique may
have some validity?
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435636#435636
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| Subject: | Re: Kit 451 Fly's |
Hi Stephan
Pictures would be good if you can
Regards Mark
Qld Australia
From: stephan cassel
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 6:42 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Kit 451 Fly's
Congratulations Mark,
>It tends to drop the left wing hands off.....
Quite normal and easy to fix with a spring connected to the control system.
Same approach all RV builders/fliers use.
I can send you pictures if you want.
BTW the drop will probably increase after Christmas :-)
Best regards
Stephan
LN-STE Mono 556 Norway
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| Subject: | Re: Kit 451 Fly's |
Congratulations
Will
William Daniell
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On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, <markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au> wrote:
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> I=99m proud to say there is one more Europa in the sky. It tends
to drop
> the left wing with hands off which I will have to work on but other than
> that It flew lovely. First flight was on the 10/12/14 but we have had ba
d
> weather since and work tends to get in the way so haven=99t been up
since.
> Looking forward to the next flight.
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> Regards,
> Mark
> Qld Australia
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? |
Ron,
I adapted the Europa kit by cutting off the bottom part of the reservoir that screws
in to the master cylinder and attaching a plastic tube to it long enough
to reach a jam jar on the seat area, the tube being pushed thru a hole in the
lid.
Syringe fluid into calliper until no bubbles. I am converted to trike now and have
to do twice!!
If it's clear the excess in the jar can be reused.
Dave
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> On 12 Dec 2014, at 8:48 am, rparigoris <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Group
>
> I have an XS Monowheel with stock caliper and master cylinder.
>
> I purchased a bleed kit from Europa which includes a screw in funnel and syringe,
but haven't quite gotten to bleeding brakes (closer than further though).
>
> I was reading how some bicycles with single shot master cylinders bleed brakes
without making a much of a mess and getting out air in a hurry.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1) Does Europas funnel and syringe do an adequate job?
>
> 2) If the answer to question 1) is marginal, do you think bicycle bleed may work
better?:
> I can scan and post exact procedure if anyone is interested (please just ask).
Gist is as follows:
> ** Bicycles use 2 syringes, one for caliper and one for caliper.
> ** The syringes both have a clamp/valve to close hose (squeeze hose and pinch
it off)
> ** The caliper syringe has a hose that will allow it to make a 180 degree bend.
Idea is you keep hose straight with syringe at bottom of hose, close clamp,
pull vacuum, tap and let air rise to top of hose. Keep doing this until most
air bubbles gone. Then p[urge air and connect to caliper bleed.
> ** On this bike system they had you rubber-band lever fully depressed (I didn't
ever look close enough at Europa to see if this is valid).
> They then connect a syringe to the opening of the master cylinder.
> ** They then clamp master cylinder syringe
> ** They then make a 180 bend on caliper syringe and begin pulling a vacuum and
pushing, tapping things along the way until you get most of the air stuck under
the syringe piston (clever!)
> ** Then they release clamp on master cylinder and push caliper syringe till you
fill master cylinder syringe about half way
> ** Then clamp caliper syringe and begin pulling suction and pressurizing and
tapping master cylinder syringe until most bubbles gone
> ** Replace plug on caliper
> ** Top master cylinder and replace plug
>
> OK, what says you? Stick with Europa system of bleeding, or bicycle technique
may have some validity?
>
> Sincerely
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435636#435636
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? |
Hi Ron,
I used the Europa system and it's really easy and works very well. Very
effective. No problems.
Regards,
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: rparigoris
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:48 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious?
Hi Group
I have an XS Monowheel with stock caliper and master cylinder.
I purchased a bleed kit from Europa which includes a screw in funnel and
syringe, but haven't quite gotten to bleeding brakes (closer than further
though).
I was reading how some bicycles with single shot master cylinders bleed
brakes without making a much of a mess and getting out air in a hurry.
Two questions:
1) Does Europas funnel and syringe do an adequate job?
2) If the answer to question 1) is marginal, do you think bicycle bleed may
work better?:
I can scan and post exact procedure if anyone is interested (please just
ask). Gist is as follows:
** Bicycles use 2 syringes, one for caliper and one for caliper.
** The syringes both have a clamp/valve to close hose (squeeze hose and
pinch it off)
** The caliper syringe has a hose that will allow it to make a 180 degree
bend. Idea is you keep hose straight with syringe at bottom of hose, close
clamp, pull vacuum, tap and let air rise to top of hose. Keep doing this
until most air bubbles gone. Then p[urge air and connect to caliper bleed.
** On this bike system they had you rubber-band lever fully depressed (I
didn't ever look close enough at Europa to see if this is valid).
They then connect a syringe to the opening of the master cylinder.
** They then clamp master cylinder syringe
** They then make a 180 bend on caliper syringe and begin pulling a vacuum
and pushing, tapping things along the way until you get most of the air
stuck under the syringe piston (clever!)
** Then they release clamp on master cylinder and push caliper syringe till
you fill master cylinder syringe about half way
** Then clamp caliper syringe and begin pulling suction and pressurizing and
tapping master cylinder syringe until most bubbles gone
** Replace plug on caliper
** Top master cylinder and replace plug
OK, what says you? Stick with Europa system of bleeding, or bicycle
technique may have some validity?
Sincerely
Ron Parigoris
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435636#435636
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