---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/12/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Kit 451 Fly's (stephan cassel) 2. 12:48 AM - Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? (rparigoris) 3. 08:02 AM - Re: Kit 451 Fly's () 4. 08:32 AM - Re: Kit 451 Fly's (William Daniell) 5. 09:32 AM - Re: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? (david park) 6. 12:05 PM - Re: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? (Keith Hickling) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Kit 451 Fly's From: stephan cassel Congratulations Mark, >It tends to drop the left wing hands off..... Quite normal and easy to fix with a spring connected to the control system. Same approach all RV builders/fliers use. I can send you pictures if you want. BTW the drop will probably increase after Christmas :-) Best regards Stephan LN-STE Mono 556 Norway ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:57 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? From: "rparigoris" Hi Group I have an XS Monowheel with stock caliper and master cylinder. I purchased a bleed kit from Europa which includes a screw in funnel and syringe, but haven't quite gotten to bleeding brakes (closer than further though). I was reading how some bicycles with single shot master cylinders bleed brakes without making a much of a mess and getting out air in a hurry. Two questions: 1) Does Europas funnel and syringe do an adequate job? 2) If the answer to question 1) is marginal, do you think bicycle bleed may work better?: I can scan and post exact procedure if anyone is interested (please just ask). Gist is as follows: ** Bicycles use 2 syringes, one for caliper and one for caliper. ** The syringes both have a clamp/valve to close hose (squeeze hose and pinch it off) ** The caliper syringe has a hose that will allow it to make a 180 degree bend. Idea is you keep hose straight with syringe at bottom of hose, close clamp, pull vacuum, tap and let air rise to top of hose. Keep doing this until most air bubbles gone. Then p[urge air and connect to caliper bleed. ** On this bike system they had you rubber-band lever fully depressed (I didn't ever look close enough at Europa to see if this is valid). They then connect a syringe to the opening of the master cylinder. ** They then clamp master cylinder syringe ** They then make a 180 bend on caliper syringe and begin pulling a vacuum and pushing, tapping things along the way until you get most of the air stuck under the syringe piston (clever!) ** Then they release clamp on master cylinder and push caliper syringe till you fill master cylinder syringe about half way ** Then clamp caliper syringe and begin pulling suction and pressurizing and tapping master cylinder syringe until most bubbles gone ** Replace plug on caliper ** Top master cylinder and replace plug OK, what says you? Stick with Europa system of bleeding, or bicycle technique may have some validity? Sincerely Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435636#435636 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:55 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kit 451 Fly's Hi Stephan Pictures would be good if you can Regards Mark Qld Australia From: stephan cassel Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 6:42 PM Subject: Europa-List: Kit 451 Fly's Congratulations Mark, >It tends to drop the left wing hands off..... Quite normal and easy to fix with a spring connected to the control system. Same approach all RV builders/fliers use. I can send you pictures if you want. BTW the drop will probably increase after Christmas :-) Best regards Stephan LN-STE Mono 556 Norway --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protec tion is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Kit 451 Fly's From: William Daniell Congratulations Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, wrote: > > I=99m proud to say there is one more Europa in the sky. It tends to drop > the left wing with hands off which I will have to work on but other than > that It flew lovely. First flight was on the 10/12/14 but we have had ba d > weather since and work tends to get in the way so haven=99t been up since. > Looking forward to the next flight. > > Regards, > Mark > Qld Australia > > > ------------------------------ > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > > * > =========== m> ldersbooks.com> .com> com> om/contribution> =========== tronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? From: david park Ron, I adapted the Europa kit by cutting off the bottom part of the reservoir that screws in to the master cylinder and attaching a plastic tube to it long enough to reach a jam jar on the seat area, the tube being pushed thru a hole in the lid. Syringe fluid into calliper until no bubbles. I am converted to trike now and have to do twice!! If it's clear the excess in the jar can be reused. Dave Sent from my iPad > On 12 Dec 2014, at 8:48 am, rparigoris wrote: > > > Hi Group > > I have an XS Monowheel with stock caliper and master cylinder. > > I purchased a bleed kit from Europa which includes a screw in funnel and syringe, but haven't quite gotten to bleeding brakes (closer than further though). > > I was reading how some bicycles with single shot master cylinders bleed brakes without making a much of a mess and getting out air in a hurry. > > Two questions: > > 1) Does Europas funnel and syringe do an adequate job? > > 2) If the answer to question 1) is marginal, do you think bicycle bleed may work better?: > I can scan and post exact procedure if anyone is interested (please just ask). Gist is as follows: > ** Bicycles use 2 syringes, one for caliper and one for caliper. > ** The syringes both have a clamp/valve to close hose (squeeze hose and pinch it off) > ** The caliper syringe has a hose that will allow it to make a 180 degree bend. Idea is you keep hose straight with syringe at bottom of hose, close clamp, pull vacuum, tap and let air rise to top of hose. Keep doing this until most air bubbles gone. Then p[urge air and connect to caliper bleed. > ** On this bike system they had you rubber-band lever fully depressed (I didn't ever look close enough at Europa to see if this is valid). > They then connect a syringe to the opening of the master cylinder. > ** They then clamp master cylinder syringe > ** They then make a 180 bend on caliper syringe and begin pulling a vacuum and pushing, tapping things along the way until you get most of the air stuck under the syringe piston (clever!) > ** Then they release clamp on master cylinder and push caliper syringe till you fill master cylinder syringe about half way > ** Then clamp caliper syringe and begin pulling suction and pressurizing and tapping master cylinder syringe until most bubbles gone > ** Replace plug on caliper > ** Top master cylinder and replace plug > > OK, what says you? Stick with Europa system of bleeding, or bicycle technique may have some validity? > > Sincerely > Ron Parigoris > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435636#435636 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:11 PM PST US From: Keith Hickling Subject: Re: Europa-List: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? Hi Ron, I used the Europa system and it's really easy and works very well. Very effective. No problems. Regards, Keith -----Original Message----- From: rparigoris Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:48 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bleeding Monowheel Brakes: Curious? Hi Group I have an XS Monowheel with stock caliper and master cylinder. I purchased a bleed kit from Europa which includes a screw in funnel and syringe, but haven't quite gotten to bleeding brakes (closer than further though). I was reading how some bicycles with single shot master cylinders bleed brakes without making a much of a mess and getting out air in a hurry. Two questions: 1) Does Europas funnel and syringe do an adequate job? 2) If the answer to question 1) is marginal, do you think bicycle bleed may work better?: I can scan and post exact procedure if anyone is interested (please just ask). Gist is as follows: ** Bicycles use 2 syringes, one for caliper and one for caliper. ** The syringes both have a clamp/valve to close hose (squeeze hose and pinch it off) ** The caliper syringe has a hose that will allow it to make a 180 degree bend. Idea is you keep hose straight with syringe at bottom of hose, close clamp, pull vacuum, tap and let air rise to top of hose. Keep doing this until most air bubbles gone. Then p[urge air and connect to caliper bleed. ** On this bike system they had you rubber-band lever fully depressed (I didn't ever look close enough at Europa to see if this is valid). They then connect a syringe to the opening of the master cylinder. ** They then clamp master cylinder syringe ** They then make a 180 bend on caliper syringe and begin pulling a vacuum and pushing, tapping things along the way until you get most of the air stuck under the syringe piston (clever!) ** Then they release clamp on master cylinder and push caliper syringe till you fill master cylinder syringe about half way ** Then clamp caliper syringe and begin pulling suction and pressurizing and tapping master cylinder syringe until most bubbles gone ** Replace plug on caliper ** Top master cylinder and replace plug OK, what says you? Stick with Europa system of bleeding, or bicycle technique may have some validity? Sincerely Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=435636#435636 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.