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1. 12:27 AM - Re: Classic exhaust tubes (Pete Lawless)
2. 01:25 AM - Re: Classic exhaust tubes (jonathanmilbank)
3. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: Classic exhaust tubes (Pete Lawless)
4. 02:05 AM - Re: Re: Classic exhaust tubes (Rowland Carson)
5. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Classic exhaust tubes (Pete Lawless)
6. 07:11 AM - What is this? ()
7. 08:47 AM - uk annual bash , what happened? (graeme bird)
8. 08:55 AM - TU 02 (William Daniell)
9. 09:12 AM - Happy new year! (AUVRAY Michel)
10. 09:38 AM - Re: TU 02 (Rowland Carson)
11. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Classic exhaust tubes (Fred Klein)
12. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Classic exhaust tubes (Donald Cameron)
13. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Classic exhaust tubes (Bob Harrison)
14. 02:18 PM - Re: Classic exhaust tubes (tennant)
15. 03:10 PM - Re: Happy new year! (jonathanmilbank)
16. 03:23 PM - Re: Happy new year! (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
17. 04:02 PM - Re: Classic exhaust tubes (jonathanmilbank)
18. 05:27 PM - Re: Happy new year! (Robert Borger)
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
Hi Jonathan
No spare bits but a similar problem.
I originally had a strap round the rear silencer box supported off the
engine frame. It did not seem to help as the original Europa mild steel
front stub cracked. I replaced the whole system with a second hand
stainless one I bought from Nigel Charles after he converted his
aeroplane to XS front end. That was one of the early CTK Engineering
products. All four of the flanges cracked. The quality of the welding
seemed poor. CTK have since made me a new set of 4 stubs, look to be
much better quality. They have been on for about 150 hours and so far ok.
Regards
Pete
G-RMAC Claasic #109
On 10/01/15 03:03, jonathanmilbank wrote:
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> Does anyone in the UK have good condition exhaust tubes, stainless or mild steel,
which they'd be willing to part with? My aircraft is UK kit #47, completed
in July '97 and has the original design of double silencers mated together at
right angles.
>
> I'm getting annoyed by the number of times that mine have cracked at all the
flanges attaching to the exhaust ports, albeit at different times. Is there a
good fix for this? Someone once wrote that mild is less prone to cracking than
stainless. And what about extra suspension support for the silencers?
>
> Please pm me if you like. Thanks
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436831#436831
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
Pete. Great for me to get a quick response. I don't know if you're aware of this
history, but John Tye builder #1 asked for the silencer to hang a little lower
and so after my stainless silencer was returned from having stainless tubes
fitted to replace the original mild ones, it too hung a little lower. I wasn't
made aware of this and the silencer's heat scorched my cowl, which necessitated
repairs back in 1998 if I recall correctly.
Anyhow my question is whether you found that CTK Engineering's replacement tubes
caused your silencer to hang differently. Also I'd be grateful if you could
provide me with their contact details and an idea of the price you paid for the
4 stainless tubes, if possible.
By the way I still think that the Classic front end looks more stylish than the
XS and my only concern with it is the necessity to remove the engine in order
to gain access to the starter motor. After converting to tricycle legs, I sometimes
wonder whether the XS bottom engine cowl is any easier to remove and get
past the nose wheel leg. I have to wrap the leg and two propeller blades in
padding to protect it and the cowl.
Regards,
Jonathan
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
Hi Jonathan
I did not notice any difference in the position of the silencer box.
Contact is Chris Piper who is very helpful.
http://www.cktengineering.com
4ab Hartnoll Business Centre
Post Hill
Tiverton
Devon, UK
EX16 4NG
e-mail: chrispiper@cktengineering.com
Skype: chris.piper1
T [00 44] (0)1884 242211
F [00 44] (0)1884 250500
I don't have a record of cost, but I think it was over 200.
Regards
Pete
On 10/01/15 09:25, jonathanmilbank wrote:
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> Pete. Great for me to get a quick response. I don't know if you're aware of this
history, but John Tye builder #1 asked for the silencer to hang a little lower
and so after my stainless silencer was returned from having stainless tubes
fitted to replace the original mild ones, it too hung a little lower. I wasn't
made aware of this and the silencer's heat scorched my cowl, which necessitated
repairs back in 1998 if I recall correctly.
>
> Anyhow my question is whether you found that CTK Engineering's replacement tubes
caused your silencer to hang differently. Also I'd be grateful if you could
provide me with their contact details and an idea of the price you paid for
the 4 stainless tubes, if possible.
>
> By the way I still think that the Classic front end looks more stylish than the
XS and my only concern with it is the necessity to remove the engine in order
to gain access to the starter motor. After converting to tricycle legs, I sometimes
wonder whether the XS bottom engine cowl is any easier to remove and
get past the nose wheel leg. I have to wrap the leg and two propeller blades in
padding to protect it and the cowl.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436833#436833
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
On 10 Jan 2015, at 09:25, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I still think that the Classic front end looks more stylish than the XS
Jonathan - Im voting with you on that one, and Im sure Im not alone! The XS cowl
never looked right to me, with that box hanging under it like an afterthought.
I have opted for Nevilles cowl which looks much better.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
HI Jonathan
Just remembered I returned the original exhaust stubs to CTK so they
could match them - hence no change in silencer position.
Pete
On 10/01/15 09:25, jonathanmilbank wrote:
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> Pete. Great for me to get a quick response. I don't know if you're aware of this
history, but John Tye builder #1 asked for the silencer to hang a little lower
and so after my stainless silencer was returned from having stainless tubes
fitted to replace the original mild ones, it too hung a little lower. I wasn't
made aware of this and the silencer's heat scorched my cowl, which necessitated
repairs back in 1998 if I recall correctly.
>
> Anyhow my question is whether you found that CTK Engineering's replacement tubes
caused your silencer to hang differently. Also I'd be grateful if you could
provide me with their contact details and an idea of the price you paid for
the 4 stainless tubes, if possible.
>
> By the way I still think that the Classic front end looks more stylish than the
XS and my only concern with it is the necessity to remove the engine in order
to gain access to the starter motor. After converting to tricycle legs, I sometimes
wonder whether the XS bottom engine cowl is any easier to remove and
get past the nose wheel leg. I have to wrap the leg and two propeller blades in
padding to protect it and the cowl.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436833#436833
>
>
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I got it twice on the January 15 email.... Does it conform to the requested
behavioural limits sent by our esteemed leader and list digest host?
Methinks it ranks up there with whole digest lists as backup material.
S'cuse me
Ferg C-FFGG
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| Subject: | uk annual bash , what happened? |
I am away on a works bash, spa, meal , breakfast etc. Its got me wondering re
the Europa one last had near Daventry and very enjoyable. What happened to them?
We could get Brian to tell us about the laa , maybe some CAA safety/airspace
bod?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 135 hours 32 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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I have an aluminium tube TU 02 which I can identify. Does anyone know that
this is for?
thanks
Will
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
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For Europa's community
Fly safe for 2015
Michel AUVRAY
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On 10 Jan 2015, at 16:54, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have an aluminium tube TU 02 which I can identify. Does anyone know that this
is for?
William - if its 2024 T3 - .5" x .035" x 28 then its TU2, which is cut into 2 pieces
to make the aileron link rods which connect the outboard bellcrank to the
aileron. See the Manual chapter 9 page 3.
I have found it a bit annoying that the part numbering sometimes has a leading
zero (eg EURO01) and sometimes does not. I guess whoever assigned the part numbers
thought there might be less than 10 of the parts that dont have a leading
zero. Not always consistent (eg TU1, TU2, TU21RM, TU23RM). I couldnt initially
find TU 02 or TU02 in my inventory database, because it was called out as TU2.
Hope this helps.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
> On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:04 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I have opted for Neville=92s cowl which looks much better.
Rowland=85AHA=85what a treat that will be=85the pics I=92ve seen of
Neville=92s cowl are exquisite=85feel free to refer to your aircraft as
a =93Europa MkIII=94.
Best,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
Hi Jonathan
If your needing contact details for CKT I should have them in amongst my paperwork.
I purchased a complete stainless steel exhaust system for my XS.
i can't comment on the classic, as i have an XS. I did opt for Nev's firewall forward
kit with engine frame and cowls.
Kind regards
Donald
Europa Xs
G-PUPY
EGEO(oban)
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> On 10 Jan 2015, at 09:25, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Pete. Great for me to get a quick response. I don't know if you're aware of this
history, but John Tye builder #1 asked for the silencer to hang a little lower
and so after my stainless silencer was returned from having stainless tubes
fitted to replace the original mild ones, it too hung a little lower. I wasn't
made aware of this and the silencer's heat scorched my cowl, which necessitated
repairs back in 1998 if I recall correctly.
>
> Anyhow my question is whether you found that CTK Engineering's replacement tubes
caused your silencer to hang differently. Also I'd be grateful if you could
provide me with their contact details and an idea of the price you paid for
the 4 stainless tubes, if possible.
>
> By the way I still think that the Classic front end looks more stylish than the
XS and my only concern with it is the necessity to remove the engine in order
to gain access to the starter motor. After converting to tricycle legs, I sometimes
wonder whether the XS bottom engine cowl is any easier to remove and
get past the nose wheel leg. I have to wrap the leg and two propeller blades in
padding to protect it and the cowl.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436833#436833
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
Hi! Donald, .......and do you expect that stainless material is a stress
suitable material to withstand the vibration and fatigue issues?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG .
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Sent: 10 January 2015 18:46
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Classic exhaust tubes
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Hi Jonathan
If your needing contact details for CKT I should have them in amongst my
paperwork.
I purchased a complete stainless steel exhaust system for my XS.
i can't comment on the classic, as i have an XS. I did opt for Nev's
firewall forward kit with engine frame and cowls.
Kind regards
Donald
Europa Xs
G-PUPY
EGEO(oban)
Sent from my iPhone
> On 10 Jan 2015, at 09:25, jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> --> <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Pete. Great for me to get a quick response. I don't know if you're aware
of this history, but John Tye builder #1 asked for the silencer to hang a
little lower and so after my stainless silencer was returned from having
stainless tubes fitted to replace the original mild ones, it too hung a
little lower. I wasn't made aware of this and the silencer's heat scorched
my cowl, which necessitated repairs back in 1998 if I recall correctly.
>
> Anyhow my question is whether you found that CTK Engineering's replacement
tubes caused your silencer to hang differently. Also I'd be grateful if you
could provide me with their contact details and an idea of the price you
paid for the 4 stainless tubes, if possible.
>
> By the way I still think that the Classic front end looks more stylish
than the XS and my only concern with it is the necessity to remove the
engine in order to gain access to the starter motor. After converting to
tricycle legs, I sometimes wonder whether the XS bottom engine cowl is any
easier to remove and get past the nose wheel leg. I have to wrap the leg and
two propeller blades in padding to protect it and the cowl.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436833#436833
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
Bob,
You forgot the temperature as well!
The best, affordable, material for exhaust applications up to about 900 deg.C are
Type 321 or 347 Stainless steel. The Titanium or Niobium additions suppress
corrosion at these temperatures.
A proper analysis and beefing up of the points where fatigue can realize itself
can produce an exhaust that will last the lifetime of the aircraft.
Unfortunately, over the years, Europa seem to have used some suppliers that were
cheaper but not better!
Barry Tennant
--------
Barry Tennant
D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: Happy new year! |
Thank you Michel. Have no doubt that the thoughts of millions of people around
the world are with the people of France at this difficult time.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy new year! |
Merci Michelle! Lovely picture=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________
___________=0A From: AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr>=0ATo: europa-list@matr
onics.com =0ASent: Saturday, 10 January 2015, 17:11=0ASubject: Europa-List:
Happy new year!=0A =0A=0A=0AFor Europa's community=0A=0AFly safe for 2015
=0A=0AMichel AUVRAY
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| Subject: | Re: Classic exhaust tubes |
pete(at)lawless.info. Pete, thanks for the address and contact details, which I'll
keep for future reference. Everyone else please also accept my thanks for
the benefit of your knowledge and expertise.
After flying for about 10 hours with two narrow metal straps connecting the sides
of the silencer solidly to the lower engine bearer frame bolts and finding
that switching off the engine was somewhat harsher than before (tooth-rattling
clang/thud), I've now substituted the metal straps with two very strong micro-light
(USA ultralight) exhaust springs, pulled to about 20lbs tension each side.
Hopefully this compromise will make the silencer exert less stress on the exhaust
tubes and not be so harsh when stopping the engine. Only time will tell whether
this suspension method results in fewer cracked tube flanges.
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| Subject: | Re: Happy new year! |
Michel,
Wonderful Picture!
Our hearts and prayers go out to the people of France.
Best wishes for the New Year.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob & Maureen Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
On Jan 10, 2015, at 11:11 AM, AUVRAY Michel <mau11@orange.fr> wrote:
For Europa's community
Fly safe for 2015
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