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1. 02:20 AM - Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 03:09 AM - Trailer (hanaperrod)
3. 03:41 AM - Re: Trailer (Richard Collings)
4. 04:27 AM - Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed (James Kelly)
5. 07:34 AM - Re: Stern post and ribs (jglazener)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: Stern post and ribs (William Daniell)
7. 12:01 PM - Rotax Engine Purchase (Kelvin Weston)
8. 01:38 PM - Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed (George Nielsen)
9. 02:03 PM - Re: Rotax Engine Purchase (jonathanmilbank)
10. 02:03 PM - Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed (George Nielsen)
11. 11:23 PM - Re: Rotax Engine Purchase (alan.twigg775@gmail.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed |
Alan=0Ahave a look at Andreas Doblhof's one man rig. Five minutes when I wa
tched him do it =0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: "alan.twigg775@gmail.com" <alan.twigg775@gmail.com>=0ATo: "europa-li
st@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, 11 January 2
015, 16:02=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Removing and Attaching Wings Single
=0A=0ARow land, I see you have two dollys, have you found a cheap source, I
am being quoted over =C2=A3500 for one.=0AAlan Twigg=0AKit 463=0AGetting r
eady for cockpit trim.=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0A> On 11 Jan 2015, at 1
5:42, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:=0A> =0A> --> Europa-L
ist message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=0A> =0A>> O
n 11 Jan 2015, at 15:04, George Nielsen <genie@swissmail.org> wrote:=0A>>
=0A>> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could infor
m me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single han
ded. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However
, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is e
xpensive.=0A>> =0A>> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on
the aircraft, fly and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings.
Is there any equipment available which enables this to be done single hand
ed with an Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound a
t the home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at o
ther airfields.=0A> =0A> George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is po
ssible. I=99ve been doing quite a bit of that recently while setting
up the wing pin sockets; see my photo pages:=0A> =0A> http://www.rowlandcar
son.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php=0A> =0A> http://www.rowla
ndcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php=0A> =0A> http://www.
rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.php=0A> =0A> fo
r pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.=0A> =0A> Yes, the rigging kit
definitely stays at the departure airfield!=0A> =0A> My dollies came with t
he covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttlestone who operates from an ind
ustrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I believe that he is no longer
making the trailers. It's possible he might consider making the rigging ki
t if he still has the templates and fixtures.=0A> =0A> Please let me know i
f you would like contact details for Roger (he does seem to be well-known t
o Google . . . ).=0A> =0A> in friendship=0A> =0A> Rowland=0A> =0A> | Rowlan
d Carson=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- ... that
's Rowland with a 'w' ...=0A> | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=C2- http://www.
rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/index.php=0A> | LAA #016532=0A>
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Has anybody in the Uk a Europa xs Trigear Trailer ( preferably enclosed)
for sale or hire? anything considered.
Sorry this isn't a build question.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436878#436878
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Hi, I might be able to help, contact me off line on 01327 260045 or email
rcollings@talktalk.net
Regards
Richard
G-CGZV Europa XS Tri-gear
-----Original Message-----
From: hanaperrod
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 11:09 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Trailer
Has anybody in the Uk a Europa xs Trigear Trailer ( preferably enclosed)
for sale or hire? anything considered.
Sorry this isn't a build question.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436878#436878
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| Subject: | Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed |
Hi Graham,
Is there anymore info on this system, I can't figure it
out.
Cheers
Jim Kelly G-BWEG
On Monday, January 12, 2015, GRAHAM SINGLETON <
grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Alan
> have a look at Andreas Doblhof's one man rig. Five minutes when I watched
> him do it
> Graham
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "alan.twigg775@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alan.twigg775@gmail.com');>" <
> alan.twigg775@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alan.twigg775@gmail.com');>>
> *To:* "europa-list@matronics.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','europa-list@matronics.com');>" <
> europa-list@matronics.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','europa-list@matronics.com');>>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 11 January 2015, 16:02
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed
>
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alan.twigg775@gmail.com');>
>
> Row land, I see you have two dollys, have you found a cheap source, I am
> being quoted over =C2=A3500 for one.
> Alan Twigg
> Kit 463
> Getting ready for cockpit trim.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:42, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rowlandcarson@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> rowlandcarson@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rowlandcarson@gmail.com');>>
> >
> >> On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:04, George Nielsen <genie@swissmail.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','genie@swissmail.org');>> wrote:
> >>
> >> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform
> me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single
> handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people.
> However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar
> space is expensive.
> >>
> >> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fl
y
> and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any
> equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an
> Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the hom
e
> base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other
> airfields.
> >
> > George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is possible. I=99ve
been
> doing quite a bit of that recently while setting up the wing pin sockets;
> see my photo pages:
> >
> > http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php
> >
> > http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php
> >
> >
> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.ph
p
> >
> > for pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.
> >
> > Yes, the rigging kit definitely stays at the departure airfield!
> >
> > My dollies came with the covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttleston
e
> who operates from an industrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I
> believe that he is no longer making the trailers. It's possible he might
> consider making the rigging kit if he still has the templates and fixture
s.
> >
> > Please let me know if you would like contact details for Roger (he does
> seem to be well-known to Google . . . ).
> >
> > in friendship
> >
> > Rowland
> >
> > | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowlan
d
> with a 'w' ...
> > | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rowlandcarson@gmail.com');>>
> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/index.php
> > | LAA #016532http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> _ref="http://forums.matronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.mat
ron
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Stern post and ribs |
William,
Have a look at:
http://europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=100716
Would be happy to provide further details, on or offline.
Regards, Jeroen
--------
Jeroen
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165
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| Subject: | Re: Stern post and ribs |
Thanks
that helps. I see you cut back the port side and then bonded which was my
concern (as opposed to bonding and then cutting back.
thanks again
Willl
William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:34 AM, jglazener <j.glazener@planet.nl> wrote:
>
> William,
>
> Have a look at:
>
> http://europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=100716
>
> Would be happy to provide further details, on or offline.
>
> Regards, Jeroen
>
> --------
> Jeroen
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436883#436883
>
>
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| Subject: | Rotax Engine Purchase |
Hi All
I am starting to think about when to purchase the engine for my Europa and I guess
the answer is "as late as possible" if I am going to enjoy any of the 18 month
warranty it comes with.
There would appear to be a heck of a lot to do between purchase and getting it
airborne:
First fit of the engine, rads, ducting, etc
Remaining wiring, electrics & instruments
Fit cowls
Fit prop
Some sanding, filling and get the whole thing painted etc, etc
Then there is the LAA paperwork exercise here in the UK.
Given my current rate of build, the thing is going to be out of warranty before
I get it fired up in anger.
How have others got on?
--------
Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv@kdweston.biz
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436904#436904
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| Subject: | Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed |
Hi Rob,
You are right: I did not specify monowheel, nosewheel or conventional
tailwheel. That is because I am flexible, as it may be that with one
configuration it is easier to remove and attach the wings. However, I
doubt whether this is the case. The replies I received have indeed given
me the impression that the type of undercarriage does not make much
difference in this respect.
The configuration I am most inclined to get is monowheel, as it is the
most efficient in flight as it is retractable. Thus it makes bes use of
the space between the two seats.
Thanks to all of you who replied.
George Nielsen
On 12/01/2015 09:02, Europa-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> Time: 10:42:17 AM PST US
> From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed
>
>
> Hi! George,
> You don't specify Mono Wheel or trike.
> However my submissions shown at:-
> http://www.users.waitrose.com/~jcliff/BobH/BobH.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Nielsen
> Sent: 11 January 2015 15:04
> Subject: Europa-List: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed
>
>
> Hello,
>
> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me
> about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I
> have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people.
> However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar
> space is expensive.
>
> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and
> prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment
> available which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In
> that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so
> removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.
>
> Thank you for your reply.
>
> George Nielsen
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Engine Purchase |
How about giving consideration to buying a fairly low hours rebuilt engine, even
if it hasn't been zero-houred after rebuilding? I'm on my third Rotax 912 since
completing the project, not because there was anything wrong with the first
two. After about 800 hours on the first 80hp unit, another 80hp engine became
available with barely 200 hours at a ridiculously low price, so I couldn't resist
a straight swap and sold the first to defray the cost of the second.
Then I converted my undercarriage from mono-wheel to tri-gear and discovered that
the extra rolling resistance of three small wheels necessitated more power,
so I did another swap involving two other parties to acquire my current 912S
which had only about 220 hours after a thorough inspection and reassembly. One
possible source of such rebuilt engines in the UK is Kevin Dilks, who does such
work for a living and used to work at the Rotax factory in Austria. He certainly
knows his stuff!
What I'm trying to suggest is that Rotax 912 engines, being fitted to permit aircraft
and therefore getting replaced on condition not life, seem to be capable
of reaching 2000 hours if well cared for. There's only one item which I would
insist that is brand new before installing the 100hp 912S and that is the starter
sprag clutch. This item never gave me trouble in the two 80hp units, but
I know of other people who've had to replace more than one sprag clutch in the
912S.
So I would be almost unconcerned by the need for any warranty on Rotax 912UL and
912ULS units, but would be much more cautious if considering buying the relatively
new 912iS which, by the way, is also somewhat heavier.
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| Subject: | Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed |
Rowland, thank you for your replies and the links to photos.
I have found the following about Roger Huttlestone:
Unit 103b Northwick Busns Cntr
Moreton-In-Marsh, Gloucestershire GL56 9RF
United Kingdom
*tel:* +44 1386700709
See:
http://transportation.zibb.co.uk/profile/roger+huttlestone/gb/gloucestershire/moreton-in-marsh/gl56+9rf/23710237
Roger has entries in LinedIn, Facebook and Twitter.
Considering the fact that this is a company I am surprised that it does
not have any URL. I could not find any e-mail address either. But that
is understandable, as putting one would make one vulnerable to Web
trawling, spam and what not.
George Nielsen
On 12/01/2015 09:02, Europa-List Digest Server wrote:
>> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about
> the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have
> seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement
> is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.
>> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and
prior
> to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available
> which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case
> I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and
> reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.
>
> George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is possible. Ive been doing quite
> a bit of that recently while setting up the wing pin sockets; see my photo pages:
>
> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php
>
> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php
>
> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.php
>
> for pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.
>
> Yes, the rigging kit definitely stays at the departure airfield!
>
> My dollies came with the covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttlestone who
operates
> from an industrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I believe that
> he is no longer making the trailers. It's possible he might consider making the
> rigging kit if he still has the templates and fixtures.
>
> Please let me know if you would like contact details for Roger (he does seem
to
> be well-known to Google . . . ).
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
> 'w' ...
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Engine Purchase |
I bought my engine 18 months ago, it went on, including prop hub and cowling. It
is currently off after painting ( aircraft is more manageable in the spray shop).
I hope to have the engine on and running for the first time this summer,
2 years after purchase.
Alan Twigg
Kit 463 Motorglider
(Slow build)
Sent from my iPhone
> On 12 Jan 2015, at 20:00, "Kelvin Weston" <kelv@kdweston.biz> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All
>
> I am starting to think about when to purchase the engine for my Europa and I
guess the answer is "as late as possible" if I am going to enjoy any of the 18
month warranty it comes with.
>
> There would appear to be a heck of a lot to do between purchase and getting it
airborne:
> First fit of the engine, rads, ducting, etc
> Remaining wiring, electrics & instruments
> Fit cowls
> Fit prop
> Some sanding, filling and get the whole thing painted etc, etc
> Then there is the LAA paperwork exercise here in the UK.
>
> Given my current rate of build, the thing is going to be out of warranty before
I get it fired up in anger.
>
> How have others got on?
>
> --------
> Regards
>
> Kelv Weston
> Kit 497
> kelv@kdweston.biz
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436904#436904
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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