---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/27/15: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:52 PM - Tail wheel fairing (Fred Klein) 2. 04:21 PM - Re: Tail wheel fairing (david park) 3. 04:21 PM - Re: Jamar finger brakes (William McClellan) 4. 07:24 PM - Re: Jamar finger brakes (Bud Yerly) 5. 11:27 PM - Re: Tail wheel fairing (alan.twigg775@gmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:45 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel fairing Gents, If there is anyone who has some pics of the stock tail wheel fairing installed in conjunction w/ the Singleton Tail Wheel Mod, Id be most obliged to have a look at themshowing in particular how the fairing fits with the 3/8 thick aluminum fork which restricts the tail wheel swivel. Fred ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:07 PM PST US From: david park Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel fairing Midnight here will look tomorrow I have converted to trike but may still have the fairing. Regards Dave Sent from my iPad > On 27 Jan 2015, at 22:51, Fred Klein wrote: > > > Gents, > > If there is anyone who has some pics of the stock tail wheel fairing installed in conjunction w/ the Singleton Tail Wheel Mod, Id be most obliged to have a look at themshowing in particular how the fairing fits with the 3/8 thick aluminum fork which restricts the tail wheel swivel. > > Fred > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:32 PM PST US From: William McClellan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jamar finger brakes Bud, I had to get a new set of plungers and seals as I ruined the last set in the Jamar cylinder by usingthe 5605 fluid Grove recommends. So now I need to drain an clean the rEst of the lines to use the silicone DOT 5 fluid. Do you have a recommendation for what to use to flush the MIL-5606 out. I don't think I want to mix the DOT 5 with the 5606 residue. Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- >From: Bud Yerly >Sent: Jan 21, 2015 6:13 PM >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jamar finger brakes > > >Bill, >Go on my website www.customflightcreations.com and download the bleeding >procedure in the Techniques section. >For your setup use only Dot 5 (not 5.1) and it works with everything as its >silicone. >Read the bleeding procedure for the Jamar. Then loctite in the Allen head >pivot bolts because they do eventually loosen and you are blessed with one >brake handle in your hand when least expecting it and needing to brake. > >Regards, >Bud Yerly > >-----Original Message----- >From: bill mcclellan >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:03 PM >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Jamar finger brakes > > >I have installed the Jamar dual brake cylinders and I have Grove brakes. It >appears that Jamar requires Dot 3 or 4 brake fluid and Grove requires >MIL-5606 hydraulic fluid as does Matco. I don't believe these two fluids >are not compatible. Does anyone have Jamar brakes cylinders with Grove or >Matco brakes? If so what brake fluid do you use and find compatible with >this brake combination? > >Thanks, >Bill McClellan > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437336#437336 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:34 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jamar finger brakes OOH Bill. Dot 5 is the best for our little aircraft. Yet I have 5606 in my aircraft. 5606 only works in systems designed for mineral oil based fluid such as Matco and Grove systems. Anything automotive is normally the standard Dot 3-4-5 types. Don't mix fluids, ever. That said: Flushing out the lines, calipers, park brake and reservoir is a chore. In any flush, if you choose to flush with Dot 5, the silicone can get clumpy if you mix it with 5606. Then you have a disaster. According to ASA: Naptha or Varsol are used to flush 5606. 5606 is mineral based based so Naptha will keep the seals in the calipers in shape. In automotive systems where hydraulic fluid is added accidentally to a DOT fluid system, alcohol is recommended by automotive sites. It normally will not hurt the caliper seals and it disolves oil based contamination. Use about 20 psi air or more of dry air to blow out the lines and calipers. This is messy to say the least. Wash everything afterwards, the plane, you and the interior. Then go ahead and reassemble the lines and push copious amounts of DOT 5 through the system calipers and lines into a clear bucket to verify the fluid is clean and clear. Then get the brake system ready for bleeding again. Bench bleed your master or just use my website techniques procedure to re-bleed. That is about all I know. Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: William McClellan Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 7:20 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jamar finger brakes Bud, I had to get a new set of plungers and seals as I ruined the last set in the Jamar cylinder by usingthe 5605 fluid Grove recommends. So now I need to drain an clean the rEst of the lines to use the silicone DOT 5 fluid. Do you have a recommendation for what to use to flush the MIL-5606 out. I don't think I want to mix the DOT 5 with the 5606 residue. Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- >From: Bud Yerly >Sent: Jan 21, 2015 6:13 PM >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jamar finger brakes > > >Bill, >Go on my website www.customflightcreations.com and download the bleeding >procedure in the Techniques section. >For your setup use only Dot 5 (not 5.1) and it works with everything as its >silicone. >Read the bleeding procedure for the Jamar. Then loctite in the Allen head >pivot bolts because they do eventually loosen and you are blessed with one >brake handle in your hand when least expecting it and needing to brake. > >Regards, >Bud Yerly > >-----Original Message----- >From: bill mcclellan >Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:03 PM >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: Jamar finger brakes > > >I have installed the Jamar dual brake cylinders and I have Grove brakes. >It >appears that Jamar requires Dot 3 or 4 brake fluid and Grove requires >MIL-5606 hydraulic fluid as does Matco. I don't believe these two fluids >are not compatible. Does anyone have Jamar brakes cylinders with Grove or >Matco brakes? If so what brake fluid do you use and find compatible with >this brake combination? > >Thanks, >Bill McClellan > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=437336#437336 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:45 PM PST US From: alan.twigg775@gmail.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel fairing Anyone else? I have a home for one in the UK. Sent from my iPhone > On 28 Jan 2015, at 00:19, david park wrote: > > > Midnight here will look tomorrow I have converted to trike but may still have the fairing. > Regards Dave > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 27 Jan 2015, at 22:51, Fred Klein wrote: >> >> >> Gents, >> >> If there is anyone who has some pics of the stock tail wheel fairing installed in conjunction w/ the Singleton Tail Wheel Mod, Id be most obliged to have a look at themshowing in particular how the fairing fits with the 3/8 thick aluminum fork which restricts the tail wheel swivel. >> >> Fred > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.