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1. 12:42 AM - water drain (Max Cointe (Free))
2. 12:51 AM - Re: water drain (=?utf-8?Q?Gert_Dalgaard_S=C3=B8rensen?=)
3. 03:11 AM - Re: water drain (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
4. 04:22 AM - Re: water drain (Bob Harrison)
5. 04:52 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Bearing (Alan Carter)
6. 06:09 AM - Re: water drain (Robert Borger)
7. 10:10 AM - Re: water drain (david park)
8. 11:51 AM - Re: water drain (Timward)
9. 12:57 PM - Re: water drain (Grahamhall123@gmail.com)
10. 01:33 PM - Re: water drain (jonathanmilbank)
11. 02:13 PM - Re: water drain (Kevin Klinefelter)
12. 03:01 PM - Re: water drain (Ken Carpenter)
13. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: Nose Wheel Bearing (Bud Yerly)
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Hi there All,
Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use Mogas only)?
Cheers,
Max Cointe
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
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Hi Max
I fly on mo-gas and use water-drain - never seen a drop of water.
I always leave the ac with full tank.
AC parked in hangar during the summer, and in my isolated shop from November to
April.
Regards Gert
Gert Dalgaard,
Denmark
OY-GDS
Europa Mono/914/750 hrs.
> Den 22/03/2015 kl. 08.41 skrev Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr>:
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> Hi there All,
>
> Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use Mogas only)?
>
> Cheers,
> Max Cointe
> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
>
> F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
>
>
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>
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Have never seen any water in 13 years, even though I do not regularly
fill tank before putting plane away. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2015-03-22 07:41, Max Cointe (Free) wrote:
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> Hi there All,
>
> Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use Mogas only)?
>
> Cheers,
> Max Cointe
> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
>
> F-PLDJ Dyn'Aro MCR 4S
> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
>
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Hi all !
I had an incident of substantial ingress of water once while parked
overnight at Zell Am See in torrential down pour most of the night.
I have adjusted the =9Cpinch=9D on the filler
=9Co=9D Ring and mostly tape up the filler cap if left
outside ever. The aircraft is always kept in it=99s covered
trailer and I try to fly exclusively on Mogas but don=99t leave
it full but I have water drains to both sides of the tank ALSO Mini
Andair filters on both fuel flow lines.. Of course everyone will
remember my misfortune of a restriction at the finger filters once,
at which time Neville Eyre suggested =9CI shave the dog=9D !
but the dog has long gone and I have =9Cimproved the tank finger
filter arrangements=9D . However I have also in the past
discovered some contamination in the thimble filters in the Electric
Pumps ( the removal of these for inspection requires extreme care , can
only be repaired by complete replacement of the Pumps !) Hope
I=99m not tempting providence by writing all this !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG. 914 Rotax.
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Sent: 22 March 2015 10:11
Subject: Re: Europa-List: water drain
Have never seen any water in 13 years, even though I do not regularly
fill tank before putting plane away. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2015-03-22 07:41, Max Cointe (Free) wrote:
Hi there All,
Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use
Mogas only)?
Cheers,
Max Cointe
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
F-PLDJ Dyn'A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Bearing |
Thanks Guys,
As you may know i am not a builder, but have down loaded a diagram of the nose
wheel , I see it has tapered roller bearings, which as far as i can see the outer
shell is bonded to the actual 2 parts of the wheel hub,
The wheel component is made in two parts and bolted together to make the wheel
complete, and if necessary unbolted to split the wheel in order to repair a tyre
puncher,
If the outer shell of the bearing is bonded to these two wheel hubs you can not
split the wheel apart the bonded bearing shell holds it togeter ,, well not quit
true you need heat, and i don,t fly with a blow torch in the back of the plane.
I am not an engineer either, but why could there not be two smaller width bearing
used, each being bonded to its respected half wheel hub, so each contains its
own bearing and can be split apart easily .
Also bonding why bond, surly there are bearing with( don,t know what you call it
) but say 3 projected lug locators so as to drop into a located hub housing
to prevent the outer shell from turning.
I like 5 minute bearing changes,
Please comment and inform me of the why not,s . Basically I would just like some
explanation to satisfy my own mind, I may tend to see thing to simple.
I believe a mod has already been worked out for the nose wheel which I am also
looking into, and may have done,
Alan
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Max,
Fly only AvGas. No drains. Have gascolator before pump. No inline
filters. Keep the tank full whenever possible. Use a cover if I ever
have to park outside when traveling.
Have never seen evidence water in the tank.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
> On Mar 22, 2015, at 1:41 AM, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr>
wrote:
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<mcointe@free.fr>
>
> Hi there All,
>
> Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use
Mogas only)?
>
> Cheers,
> Max Cointe
> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
>
> F-PLDJ Dyn=99A=C3=A9ro MCR 4S
> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
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Use Mogas occasional Avgas, never seen water.
Dave G-LDVO
Sent from my iPad
> On 22 Mar 2015, at 07:41, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:
>
>
> Hi there All,
>
> Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use Mogas only)?
>
> Cheers,
> Max Cointe
> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
>
> F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi
Same, use Mogas occasional Avgas, never seen water.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 23/03/2015, at 6:09 am, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
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> Use Mogas occasional Avgas, never seen water.
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Since getting my ppl in the late 80's I have always checked fuel drains as part
of pre-flight, even when pushed to get going on business trips. On one occasion
one tank of my 182 was clear fluid which did not smell like fuel and did not
evaporate. Transpired I had about 2 liters rainwater in one tank. I will always
check water drains- it only takes a minute and from my own experience is a
minute well spent. 'to fail to look is to look to fail'.
On Mar 22, 2015, at 7:41 AM, "Max Cointe (Free)" <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:
>
> Hi there All,
>
> Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use Mogas only)?
>
> Cheers,
> Max Cointe
> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
>
> F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I had a small number of occasions when I found a few drops of water in my mogas.
My aircraft was parked outside for several years and had Jaxida covers. But
the fabric got old and needed to be washed and treated with water-proofing liquid
more frequently.
Rarely after heavy prolonged rain storms, I would find a few drops in the fuel
sample. The cap and 'O' ring were tight enough, but I guessed that the fabric
of the covers in contact with the tank breather tube was acting like a wick to
convey water into the breather. When I taped plastic over the tube before putting
on the cover, there was no water ingress.
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Me too, almost all Mogas (with up to 10% ethanol) and never seen water.
> On Mar 22, 2015, at 11:50 AM, Timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
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>
> Hi
> Same, use Mogas occasional Avgas, never seen water.
>
> Tim
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Ph 64 3 3515166
> Mob 0210640221
>
>
>> On 23/03/2015, at 6:09 am, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
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>> Use Mogas occasional Avgas, never seen water.
>
>
>
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Never in twelve years found water in Europa, 100LL or Mogas. Did find water in
182 after it left out in rain with original cap not tight. Went to Monarch caps
and no further water but I still check if any plane been outside in rain.
Fueling at strange fields will get you water as happened to me twice.
Sent from my iPad
Ken Carpenter
> On Mar 22, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Grahamhall123@gmail.com <grahamhall123@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Since getting my ppl in the late 80's I have always checked fuel drains as part
of pre-flight, even when pushed to get going on business trips. On one occasion
one tank of my 182 was clear fluid which did not smell like fuel and did
not evaporate. Transpired I had about 2 liters rainwater in one tank. I will always
check water drains- it only takes a minute and from my own experience is
a minute well spent. 'to fail to look is to look to fail'.
>
>> On Mar 22, 2015, at 7:41 AM, "Max Cointe (Free)" <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi there All,
>>
>> Who uses water drain? Who as ever seen water in the fuel there (I use Mogas
only)?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Max Cointe
>> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
>> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
>>
>> F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
>> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Bearing |
Alan,
Be sure to note Matco MFGs. website or my website on the proper way to
torque wheel bearings. The inner race must not move (rubber seal does not
rotate).
The nose wheel is a Matco unit also. The easy method of fixing the bearing
is by axle nut torque with the inner race locked to a flange on the inner
race. Tough to do on a nose wheel.
The old style NG06 axle (the smooth one with the dumb spacers), is a piece
of cake to maintain.
To remove the axle from the wheel on a used aircraft:
No torches.
Put the wheel flat on a large vice or a couple of thick timbers across the
wheel rim with the axle in the slot. Whack the end of the axle with a dead
blow or wood mallet. The bearing will pop right off with no damage. Flip
the wheel over and hit the other side of the axle. Both bearings are free.
(I only drive one side off and clean and pack the other on the axle).
Take a single edge razor or a razor knife, and take off the Loctite, clean
with a bit of acetone. Pack the bearings as usual. Clean the inner race of
any grease.
Do not use a lot of Loctite 638, a small drop or two is sufficient on the
bearing.
Slide on the other parts and slip into the yoke. In 15 minutes, go fly.
(Realistically, do the mains next.)
So it takes 6 minutes to do a nose axle grease job.
If you desire, buy the new axle with a nut on the Europa website. Matco
basically copied this design. See their website. Europa Loctite's on the
nut, and Matco came up with a new nut with a set screw in it. The axle now
has a slot. This was incorporated on the RV10. Loctite works.
Split wheels on aircraft (not ultralights) are split rims due to structural
concerns. Our main wheels only hold 650 pounds of aircraft weight, right.
WRONG, these wheels are designed for impact loads exceeding 4000 lbs of
force. Hence the 1.25" bearings (stronger), the centrifugally cast wheels
with the extra meat on the bearing race areas are needed. Bearings must be
rigidly in contact with their races and not rotating on the axle to meet the
structural load conditions. No bearing wiggle or slop. In fact, properly
seated, the wheel is a bit draggy.
Split wheels are a pain, but strong for their weight. I highly recommend my
clients put a piece of one inch heavy paper ring on the inside of one of the
wheels to prevent pinching the tube when assembling the wheel. If my guys
in the shop pinch a tube not using the paper safety ring, they pay for it.
Hope this sheds some light on the wheels.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Carter
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 7:51 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Nose Wheel Bearing
Thanks Guys,
As you may know i am not a builder, but have down loaded a diagram of the
nose wheel , I see it has tapered roller bearings, which as far as i can
see the outer shell is bonded to the actual 2 parts of the wheel hub,
The wheel component is made in two parts and bolted together to make the
wheel complete, and if necessary unbolted to split the wheel in order to
repair a tyre puncher,
If the outer shell of the bearing is bonded to these two wheel hubs you can
not split the wheel apart the bonded bearing shell holds it togeter ,, well
not quit true you need heat, and i don,t fly with a blow torch in the back
of the plane.
I am not an engineer either, but why could there not be two smaller width
bearing used, each being bonded to its respected half wheel hub, so each
contains its own bearing and can be split apart easily .
Also bonding why bond, surly there are bearing with( don,t know what you
call it ) but say 3 projected lug locators so as to drop into a located hub
housing to prevent the outer shell from turning.
I like 5 minute bearing changes,
Please comment and inform me of the why not,s . Basically I would just like
some explanation to satisfy my own mind, I may tend to see thing to simple.
I believe a mod has already been worked out for the nose wheel which I am
also looking into, and may have done,
Alan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=439723#439723
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