---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/13/15: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:56 AM - Re: flap deflection question (Rowland Carson) 2. 02:29 AM - Re: flap deflection question (JonSmith) 3. 02:39 AM - Re: Re: flap deflection question (Rowland Carson) 4. 09:01 AM - Re: Lack of space between exhaust and coolant hose. (JohnFrance) 5. 12:40 PM - Re: Autopilot servo instalation (Bud Yerly) 6. 12:44 PM - Re: flap deflection question (Bud Yerly) 7. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Lack of space between exhaust and coolant hose. (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: flap deflection question From: Rowland Carson On 13 Apr 2015, at 02:46, Bud Yerly wrote: > One degree or a bit less is about what the slop in the system gives you no matter how hard you work at it. Bud - thanks for that reassurance. I was quite surprised and worried when I discovered how much the weight of the outriggers affected the previously-crisp up position of the flaps. There is one thing in the manual that seems a bit unclear and perhaps you can clarify it for me. In Annex E it says: "Check that the bolt through the slot in OR5 is 5mm (3/16) to 7mm (1/4) from the end of the slot when the outriggers are down. Which end of the slot should that clearance measurement be taken from? One of the bolts in my OR5s is about central in the slot (so about 5mm clearance each side) and the other is quite near the end of the slot (although I cant now remember _which_ end). Both outriggers are firmly locked down. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:29:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: flap deflection question From: "JonSmith" Hi Rowland, It's the forward end of the slot where the gap is important. It's so that on the ground the flaps can "bounce" up and down due to the natural play in the system without unlocking the outrigger. If the gap was too small or non existent then if the flap bounced up when say taxying over a bump then the upward movement of the flap might unlock the outrigger. -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440756#440756 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: flap deflection question From: Rowland Carson On 13 Apr 2015, at 10:27, JonSmith wrote: > It's the forward end of the slot where the gap is important. It's so that on the ground the flaps can "bounce" up and down due to the natural play in the system without unlocking the outrigger. If the gap was too small or non existent then if the flap bounced up when say taxying over a bump then the upward movement of the flap might unlock the outrigger. Jon - thanks for that info. I have the nasty feeling from memory that the bolt near the end of the slot is indeed at the forward end. Ill have to check again when next rigged. If that is the case, I wonder what my options are to correct it? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Lack of space between exhaust and coolant hose. From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com> Dear All, I have purchased new silicon hoses from Stefan in Sweden. Before I fit them I want to make some heat shields to put on the cylinder 3 and 4 exhaust pipes to protect the radiator hoses. To avoid having to go to the airport then remove the cowl just to get a size can anyone tell me what the OD of the pipes is please (Rotax 912 UL)? I am thinking of a simple stainless steel clip wire locked to the pipe with a semi circular heat shield attached to it. If anyone has had any good or bad experiences doing this (such as cracked pipes) and what to avoid I would be interested? I have also purchased (from Amazon USA!) Themo Tec insulator sleeve which I intend putting on the silicon tubes. Belt and braces! Thermo-Tec 14015 3' 1 1/2" I.D.Thermo-Sleeve Regards to All do not archive -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440785#440785 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Autopilot servo instalation From: Bud Yerly Yep. Bob Berube first showed me and it is simple. I use 2 in tube cut in half with a drove lug or post welded on for MW-4 attached. Put 3/32 silico ne cowl seal in the tube and clamp it on. I prefer this if there is no acc ess in the aft end. Bud Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Apr 12=2C 2015 10:18 PM=2C William Daniell wrote: Bud Does this mean that you put a clamp on the main torque tube? Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Sun=2C Apr 12=2C 2015 at 9:02 PM=2C Bud Yerly wrote: > Alan=2C > Nice clean job. > I prefer not to run a thin wall one inch tube that far without an idler i n > the center. However=2C the pitch system only needs a couple of pounds of > pressure when out of trim=2C and when the stab is trimmed neutral=2C very > little pressure is necessary to move the stab. We design our systems for > the worse case scenario=2C that is=2C full trim up the the max torque of the > trim motor and the bending moment of the thin wall tubing has to be capab le > of taking the load plus a rather large safety factor (since it is a contr ol > system) without bending or flexing. If the trim tube should bend=2C it c an > jamb the flight control. > > I prefer to put the trim motor where you did=2C but make a 3/2 ratio arm to > drive the tube via a tube clamp. > > However=2C to keep a short drive tube=2C I would recommend installing the new > light weight servos behind the mass balance post using a two inch extensi on > from the torque tube arm (there are two holes there anyway to mount .016 > steel arms to). Use a 1/2 inch with .049 wall for the drive tube (like t he > aileron tubes). The length of the tube should be about 2 feet. > > Regards=2C > Bud Yerly > > *From:* Alain Chabert > *Sent:* Saturday=2C April 11=2C 2015 1:05 PM > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Autopilot servo instalation > > Hello=2C > Look at the solution I adopted from 330 hours and is much simpler than th e > proposed mod. > Regards > > *Alain CHABERT* > > > Le 11/04/2015 18:44=2C William Daniell a =C3=A9crit : > > I have seen searching through the list that there are some alternatives > to the major surgery required for Mod 75 and 76. > > For example I saw some correspondence between Raimo and Bob Gowing > connecting servo to the tail plane torque tube using a bracket. I assume > that the service is mounted on a fiberglass bracket mounted on the floor > .... > > Could I prevail on anyone who has who has an alternative to the official > mods and which does not require major surgery send me a pic please. > > Many thanks > > Will > > > William Daniell > LONGPORT > +57 310 295 0744 > > > * > =========== tronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: flap deflection question From: Bud Yerly Rowland=2C About centered is what I try for. I'll take it if it is within 3/16 and lo cks. I'm afraid the droopy leg syndrome was my nemesis. Darn I hate those legs. Bud Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Apr 13=2C 2015 5:01 AM=2C Rowland Carson wrote : On 13 Apr 2015=2C at 02:46=2C Bud Yerly wrote: > One degree or a bit less is about what the slop in the system gives you n o matter how hard you work at it. Bud - thanks for that reassurance. I was quite surprised and worried when I discovered how much the weight of the outriggers affected the previously-c risp =9Cup=9D position of the flaps. There is one thing in the manual that seems a bit unclear and perhaps you c an clarify it for me. In Annex E it says: "Check that the bolt through the slot in OR5 is 5mm (3/16=9D) to 7mm (1/4=9D) from the end of the slot when the outriggers are down. =9D Which end of the slot should that clearance measurement be taken from? One of the bolts in my OR5s is about central in the slot (so about 5mm clearanc e each side) and the other is quite near the end of the slot (although I ca n=99t now remember _which_ end). Both outriggers are firmly locked do wn. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype=2C Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Lack of space between exhaust and coolant hose. From: Bud Yerly John=2C I've had good luck with the thermo sleeve as protection and never did build a heat shield. We do not put wire wrap to hold the sleeve on=2C as airflo w is important. Works OK. Bud Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Apr 13=2C 2015 12:06 PM=2C JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote: Dear All=2C I have purchased new silicon hoses from Stefan in Sweden. Before I fit them I want to make some heat shields to put on the cylinder 3 and 4 exhaust pipes to protect the radiator hoses. To avoid having to go to the airport then remove the cowl just to get a siz e can anyone tell me what the OD of the pipes is please (Rotax 912 UL)? I am thinking of a simple stainless steel clip wire locked to the pipe with a semi circular heat shield attached to it. If anyone has had any good or bad experiences doing this (such as cracked p ipes) and what to avoid I would be interested? I have also purchased (from Amazon USA!) Themo Tec insulator sleeve which I intend putting on the silicon tubes. Belt and braces! Thermo-Tec 14015 3' 1 1/2" I.D.Thermo-Sleeve Regards to All do not archive -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440785#440785 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.