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1. 01:43 AM - Re: XS exhaust down pipe crack (JonSmith)
2. 02:55 AM - Re: XS exhaust down pipe crack (fireflier)
3. 07:17 AM - Sun N Fun 2015 (Erich Trombley)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: First Fueling (Fred Klein)
5. 09:12 AM - Re: XS exhaust down pipe crack (graeme bird)
6. 10:08 AM - Re: XS exhaust down pipe crack (Max Cointe (Free))
7. 11:07 AM - Europaowners.org website (alan_hunter1664)
8. 11:15 AM - Re: Fitting new tail plane torque tube (alan_hunter1664)
9. 12:14 PM - Re: First Fueling (Bud Yerly)
10. 11:18 PM - Re: Europaowners.org website (Nigel Graham)
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Subject: | Re: XS exhaust down pipe crack |
Hi Donald,
I got your message and have sent you a pm. If you don't receive it please let
me know and I'll try again (I'm not an expert on this messaging thing!)
Cheers, Jon
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G-TERN
Classic Mono
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Subject: | Re: XS exhaust down pipe crack |
Hi Jon
Got your pm, thanks and I have replied some interesting points you raise and very
similar symptoms to yours.
Many thanks
Donald
G-PUPY
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Hi Jim & Heather, Please add me to the list of those attending S&F. I w
ill be arriving via airline into Tampa on Monday evening and departing T
hursday evening. Looking forward to seeing everyone. Cell: 702.682.0219
Regards, Erich TrombleyClassic Mono 914N28ET
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Subject: | Re: First Fueling |
Budyou wrote:
>
> Gascolators do not prime well. I would check for an air leak.
Andairs are well made and pull a vacuum. The standard diaphragm pump
does not pull air well enough for some brands.
Budnow we begin to descend down the rabbit hole of the
testing and operational phase of a one-off, non-standard engine
installation...recall that my engine is MPEFI=99edmy two
(in parallel) fuel pumps are hi-pressure type and (apparently) do not
have the ability to =9Csuck=9D fuel on the input side..
> If it won't prime the engine with 2.5 gallons on the ground, will it
do it in the air?
An excellent questionfor which prudence requires an
answer =9Con the ground=9D.
>
> Ground Test war story: Ran the main dry, flipped to aux and it would
not self prime without more head pressure. Could not find a leak but
the gascolator was installed slightly above tank bottom level. With 10
gallons it would prime. It was a trigear. I know they have used
gascolators in a/c for ever, but they should be the lowest point in the
system. That is, the bowl outside, below the belly.
With my mono resting on the LG & tail wheel, I=99m
preparing a diagram with measured elevations of the various points in
the fuel system starting from the tank outlet to the hi-pressure fuel
pump outletsHowever, by eye, it is apparent that the high point
in the system is the selector-valve-main-tank-outlet(selector
valve having been installed as per manual). At this stage of the game, I
have concerns that if main tank runs dry to exhaustion and I move
selector to reserve, will fuel continue to flow?
>
> That is why I don't use them and won't install one. To easy to screw
up. Besides, water does not condense in the tanks and filters work as
well.
I=99ve been unaware of your thoughts on gascolators
I confess to have one solely because of the frequent mention of them on
this list and their apparent widespread use.
> Most experimental takeoff accidents are fuel and engine related.
I am indeed aware of that fact.
> Make them flawless then test for fuel exhaustion, on one side then
switch and hopefully keep running.
Exactly my intention...
>
> Clean your fuel lines before hooking to the engine. A common
assumption is the filter missed some dirt/ debris and the gascolators
just prior to the engine caught it. Flush and flush again.
And what do you recommend for a cleaning agent?
>
> My two cents.
Grossly undervaluedyour knowledge is priceless
Many thanks,
Fred
PS: A local A&P recommends adding a Facet pump to ensure that fuel gets
to my hi-pressure pumpsmy engine builder recommends bleeding
the lines just upstream of the hi-pressure pumpsfor the moment,
I=99m looking for simplicity and reliability.
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Subject: | Re: XS exhaust down pipe crack |
looks like a manufacturing defect to me. Loop weld has thinned the metal too much.
Get on the the manufacturers.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 150 hours 36 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | XS exhaust down pipe crack |
Hi Donald,
FYI we had a comparable crack on our MCR. This was due to a rupture of a
bolt of fixation under the engine.
Don't know if it helps but just have a look how the engine is maintained.
Remember also what was the level of vibration at low rotation and how the
engines topped...
Max Cointe
mcointe@free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 540 hours
F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1660 heures
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Hi
Whilst flying today my exhaust down pipe on no 4 cylinder developed a crack
as shown in the attached photo.
I have done a search of the list and found one further history of this type
of failure on g-tern. This was back in 2012 but there wasn't any conclusive
answers as to what has caused this type of failure.
My exhaust is a CKT engineering system fitted to a rotax 912uls with
woodcomp sr3000 vp prop, europa XS. The exhaust system has had approx 30 hrs
use before this failure.
I have sent the owner of G-tern a PM through this forum to see if he can
Give me any further information as to possible cause and what soloution's he
has had to rectify the problem he had back kn 2012.
If anyone else could help or provide any possible answers to this type of
failure, it would be much appreciated.
Many thanks
Donald
G-PUPY
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Subject: | Europaowners.org website |
Does anyone know if the europaowners.org web site is still open to post build pictures?
I've registered on the site but I can't find a link to create a new build.
Many thanks
Alan
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Subject: | Re: Fitting new tail plane torque tube |
Further to the above, I'm now at the stage of fitting the tailplane torque tube
but contrary to my first post it appears the new pre-drilled black bushes are
too short giving a total of nearly 12mm of end float. I've taken some dimensions
noted in the attached. I've sent a query to Europa.
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Subject: | Re: First Fueling |
Fred,
I recall your non standard engine, but am confident in the quality of
your testing and evaluation.
I don't intend to start a gascolator war, because they are a fine piece
of equipment for tractors, metal high wing aircraft with no prime pumps
and constant water problems or aircraft with low wings and the
gascolator installed and tested with a thirty year track record like a
Piper. They are fine for the aircraft with tank drains, and long runs
of line that fill with water while sitting. I prefer Andair's
gascolators as they work well up to high pressure, seal well, but they
are not a visible junk trap. His filters are built into the unit and
replaceable. On the ones we've installed in RVs, we put them on the
engine side of the aux fuel pump and have had no problems. His pumps
are great also.
You=99re A&P friend is correct in having a high volume / low
pressure pump feed the engine pressure pumps. The Facet pump indeed
sucks well. (So does a Piersburg). On the initial installation of fuel
injected engines, we used to have to have a header tank. Auto and
Marine experience now shows a primer pump at the tank bottom level, will
feed the volume needed. However, the volume of the high pressure pumps
must be satisfied and proper plumbing to prevent circular flow when one
pump fails. Your EFI manufacturer should have that information. As you
know, autos now have the high pressure pump in the fuel tank and run
pressure lines forward to the engine with the regulator after the fuel
rail which prevents starvation and priming problems. Problem with our
little aircraft is the fuel selector has to be forward of the pumps
because they are not normally pressure tested and submerged fuel pumps
are not possible. You probably have already reviewed SDS for their fuel
system installation notes, but if you haven't:
www.sdsefi.com<http://www.sdsefi.com/>. They really helped us with an
RV as well as the Jason Parker engines. Their stuff works. See their
cute little surge tank in their tech section. Small and affordable.
Cleaning the fuel line used to be done with denatured alcohol but since
auto fuel is now filled with ethanol and excellent cleaning and plastic
ruining addatives, I use plain old ethanol laced auto fuel for my
flushings. It does stain if you get a leak and it stinks a bit, but boy
does it clean the crud out of fuel lines that may have been sitting on
the shelf for a while. Not uncommon to get brown fuel out of an R-14
fuel injection hose.
Our procedure:
Start with clean gas cans and fresh fuel always.
1. We fill the tank nearly full, about 15 gallons (and watch for leaks
in the fill neck and bosses).
2. Slosh the plane around
3. Lift the tail and disconnect the fuel line from the engine pump or
fuel regulator.
4. Look for static leaks again.
5. Turn on the electric boost pump (pumps about 30 gal per hour or
more).
6. Calibrate the fuel flow and sight gauge as appropriate.
7. Change 5 gallon tanks out.
8. When the fuel stops flowing out of the main, switch tanks and
exhaust again.
9. Refuel through a Mister Funnel or similar filtering fuel funnel.
10. Repeat two more times.
Repair anything that is wet with fuel. Use care not to overtorque fuel
clamps and use the proper type if using other than automotive hose
(cheap kind you throw away after a few years).
Cheers Fred
Bud
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From: Fred Klein<mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First Fueling
Budyou wrote:
Gascolators do not prime well. I would check for an air leak.
Andairs are well made and pull a vacuum. The standard diaphragm pump
does not pull air well enough for some brands.
Budnow we begin to descend down the rabbit hole of the
testing and operational phase of a one-off, non-standard engine
installation...recall that my engine is MPEFI=99edmy two
(in parallel) fuel pumps are hi-pressure type and (apparently) do not
have the ability to =9Csuck=9D fuel on the input side..
If it won't prime the engine with 2.5 gallons on the ground, will it
do it in the air?
An excellent questionfor which prudence requires an answer
=9Con the ground=9D.
Ground Test war story: Ran the main dry, flipped to aux and it
would not self prime without more head pressure. Could not find a leak
but the gascolator was installed slightly above tank bottom level. With
10 gallons it would prime. It was a trigear. I know they have used
gascolators in a/c for ever, but they should be the lowest point in the
system. That is, the bowl outside, below the belly.
With my mono resting on the LG & tail wheel, I=99m preparing a
diagram with measured elevations of the various points in the fuel
system starting from the tank outlet to the hi-pressure fuel pump
outletsHowever, by eye, it is apparent that the high point in
the system is the selector-valve-main-tank-outlet(selector
valve having been installed as per manual). At this stage of the game, I
have concerns that if main tank runs dry to exhaustion and I move
selector to reserve, will fuel continue to flow?
That is why I don't use them and won't install one. To easy to
screw up. Besides, water does not condense in the tanks and filters
work as well.
I=99ve been unaware of your thoughts on gascolatorsI
confess to have one solely because of the frequent mention of them on
this list and their apparent widespread use.
Most experimental takeoff accidents are fuel and engine related.
I am indeed aware of that fact.
Make them flawless then test for fuel exhaustion, on one side then
switch and hopefully keep running.
Exactly my intention...
Clean your fuel lines before hooking to the engine. A common
assumption is the filter missed some dirt/ debris and the gascolators
just prior to the engine caught it. Flush and flush again.
And what do you recommend for a cleaning agent?
My two cents.
Grossly undervaluedyour knowledge is priceless
Many thanks,
Fred
PS: A local A&P recommends adding a Facet pump to ensure that fuel
gets to my hi-pressure pumpsmy engine builder recommends
bleeding the lines just upstream of the hi-pressure pumpsfor
the moment, I=99m looking for simplicity and reliability.
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Subject: | Re: Europaowners.org website |
Hi Alan,
If you look at the homepage of "Gallery", the organisation that hosts
europaowners.org ( http://galleryproject.org/ ), you will see the
following announcement. This may explain your lack of success.
Nigel
/The Gallery team has decided to take a step back from actively
maintaining this project. Truth be told, most of the core team got busy
with their lives over the past few years and we haven't had the time to
really actively maintain the project in a long time. The forums have
continued to be lively and helpful and there is still plenty of good
conversation there - but no new code has been written in the past 6
months and that's not likely to change./
/So after over 14 years, 3 major revisions of the project, many tens of
releases, hundreds of contributors, tens of thousands of lines of code,
almost a hundred thousand forum topics and almost four hundred thousand
comments, it's time for us to shutter up shop./
/Why not just leave the site up and operational? Unfortunately - it
takes time to actively maintain and police our site. The Gallery website
is constantly under attack by spammers and our servers require
maintenance. We've been doing that for years, but it's time to call it
quits./
/So what's next? Sometime soon we'll make the website read only. All the
forum posts and topics will still be there, but we'll stop letting
people log in and add new content. This will greatly prevent the spread
of spam through the site while still allowing search engines to find
useful content. Then we'll put the whole site into a very low-overhead
maintenance mode until we run out of money to keep it up. Then we'll
shut the site down./
/While the site is hibernating, some systems will continue to work.
You'll be able to download translations for Gallery 3, for example. But
at some point we'll stop accepting translation uploads. And when we run
out of money, translations will go away. Sorry about that./
/It's been a great ride. I'm glad that you could join us with it. But
now it's time to move on./
/regards,//
//Bharat/
/PS: If you're interested in taking over the project - email me and we
can talk. You need to be serious about it though because I'm not handing
this over to somebody who just wants to use it for SEO purposes. My
email address is easy to find. Also, I won't be reading private messages./
http://galleryproject.org/
On 18/04/2015 19:05, alan_hunter1664 wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the europaowners.org web site is still open to post build
pictures? I've registered on the site but I can't find a link to create a new
build.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Alan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440975#440975
>
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