---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/23/15: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:14 AM - Re: Fitting new tail plane torque tube (flyingphil2) 2. 12:17 PM - Re: Sight Gauge problem (GBWFH2010) 3. 01:04 PM - Re: Sight Gauge problem (JonSmith) 4. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: Sight Gauge problem (Fred Klein) 5. 01:51 PM - Re: Fitting new tail plane torque tube (alan_hunter1664) 6. 02:20 PM - NG Tailplanes & Anti-Servo Trim Tabs (alan_hunter1664) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fitting new tail plane torque tube From: "flyingphil2" Hi Alan, Are you saying that the Issue 1 part is correct and the up-issued version is now wrong? I've no idea what version I have - do you dimensions of the two versions? Regards, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441161#441161 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:34 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sight Gauge problem From: "GBWFH2010" Fred, The sight gauge feed is from the PORT tank. My use of the word bulkhead was completely wrong, the vertical section sight gauge tubing is attached to the passenger seat back adjacent to the tunnel. Sorry for the confusion. Gordon -------- Gordon Grant G-BWFH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441183#441183 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sight Gauge problem From: "JonSmith" Hi Gordon, there is a bit more about the sight gauge in the build manual chapter 17 (Bonding Cockpit Module Into Fuselage). On page 17-3 part way down is a paragraph titled 'Fuel Sight Gauge' and this states that the restrictor IS required in the sight gauge pipeline. Just to act as a damper I should imagine. My own sight gauge has always worked pretty well. Mine is set up exactly as per the manual, even with the routing up the front and behind the instrument panel - as long as one understands the readings relevant to the aircraft attitude its ok. The only difference to standard is that I have plumbed the sight gauge and fuel tank vents into the top of the filler cobra (XS style filler tube) and then vented the cobra to the standard s/steel tube on the top of the fuselage. Sorry to ask but if you are suddenly getting these strange readings after working on it are you COMPLETELY sure you haven't made an error with the hose connections? There's quite a lot of pipes in a small space and several of them look rather similar! Also, on your port tank outlet does it have two separate outlets coming out of it, one dedicated for the feed to the engine and the other dedicated to the sight gauge (combined with the drain if fitted)? The early version had just one outlet to feed to the engine with the sight gauge Tee'd off and apparently with the engine running that DID give weird readings set up like that, hence they split the outlet into two separate outlets. (The starboard side tank outlet should also have two ports, one for the reserve engine feed and the other for the return line). Another thought, could it be you have a low point in the sight gauge line somewhere which has got a slug of fuel trapped in it preventing pressure equalisation to the vent thus duff readings? Blowing down the sight gauge vent might clear this? Also is the vent to the outside correctly orientated and not subject to some strange pressure influence that would mess up the reading? Just random thoughts, all the best, Jon -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441184#441184 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sight Gauge problem From: Fred Klein Gordonthanks for the clarificationIm wondering, where does your sight gauge T into the fuel tank vent line?and have you assured yourself that there are no fuel pockets in possible low points as the sight gauge line snakes towards the fuel filler which may block the line? From your routing description, Id look for kinks in or collapsing of your sight gauge line as it (presumably) angles from the vertical across the flat area of the CM, and into and out of the PAX headrest. As I recall, a constrictor in the sight gauge line is required. Hope this helps, Fred > On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:16 PM, GBWFH2010 wrote: > > > Fred, > > The sight gauge feed is from the PORT tank. > > My use of the word bulkhead was completely wrong, the vertical section sight gauge tubing is attached to the passenger seat back adjacent to the tunnel. Sorry for the confusion. > > Gordon > > -------- > Gordon Grant > > G-BWFH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441183#441183 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:31 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fitting new tail plane torque tube From: "alan_hunter1664" Hi Phil, Yes I have the issue 2 TP38s and I need the issue 1 and there is one other builder that has contacted me who has the same problem. The following information was provided by Europa. Issue 2 TP38s are 1.625" long Issue 1 TP38s are 2.25" long. Best regards Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441187#441187 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:38 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: NG Tailplanes & Anti-Servo Trim Tabs From: "alan_hunter1664" I seem to be stumbling from one problem to another at the minute. Maybe it's me inexperience! Whilst waiting for an answer on my Tailplane Torque tube issue I though I would complete the quick build Tailplanes. This is achieved by bonding the bottom skin and the tip using araldite 420. This was completed with only minor problems along the way. However, fitting the Anti-servo trim tabs is another matter. I've not approached Europa with this yet as I wanted to see if anyone else had overcome the problem. The anti-servo tab now comes pre-built but this is not reflected in the manual. The issue is that if I align the trailing edge of the trim tab with that of the tailplane there is insufficient trailing edge at the root to attach the trim tab to and there would be restricted movement of the trim tab. there are 'trim lines' on the tailplane training edge and trim tab upper leading edge however trimming them to these lines would make the anti-servo tab extend proud of the tailplane trailing edge, is this normal? I've attached some photos which I hope highlight the issue. Any ideas? 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