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1. 02:36 AM - Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
2. 03:11 AM - Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 (houlihan)
3. 03:22 AM - Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 (tennant)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 (Roland)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: NG Tailplanes & Anti-Servo Trim Tabs (Bud Yerly)
6. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 (houlihan)
7. 05:15 PM - Center Flap Hinge (Martin Tuck)
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| Subject: | Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 |
Duncan, My understanding is that you need mode S to go into controlled
airspace there, but I will ask Karel if he has any different info.
Regards, David
On 2015-04-27 22:03, ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net wrote:
> But still require Mode S for Belgium?
>
> Duncan McF.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
> To: europa list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 10:38
> Subject: Europa-List: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015
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> Can I bring European Europa flyers' attention to the EBLE (Sanicole , Belgium) experimental fly in that Karel Vranken warmly invites all Europas to. This is the first rally for experimental planes organised in Belgium and they certainly seem to be putting a lot of effort into it. There are details and registration arrangements at www.experimentaldays.be [4] and links to it on the club site (www.theeuropaclub.org [5]) under Flying/ Flying Program. Karel promises that this is going to be a really enjoyable event with the best of Belgian food and beer. He has arranged mass exemption from the usual costly business of getting permission for Permit aircraft (for those who have pre-registered). He has also arranged a fly around the nice bits of Belgium with free landings on the Saturday afternoon. Getting there is easy. From UK you can clear customs at Calais and then fly in a straight line to EBLE, without needing to put in a new flight plan (New Shengen regs)
> Perhaps I can also highlight the Le Touquet Trip due to take place on 23 May
and ask anyone interested to contact me soon.
> Regards, David Joyce, EC Trips oprganiser
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| Subject: | Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 |
David.
Are planning to attend the Belgium flyin ? if so what dates do you plan to
book.
If you have any problems I would be able to fly you in with your head
covered by a blanket and you using a false name :<(
Tim
On 28 April 2015 at 10:34, <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> Duncan, My understanding is that you need mode S to go into controlled
> airspace there, but I will ask Karel if he has any different info.
>
> Regards, David
>
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> On 2015-04-27 22:03, ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net wrote:
>
> But still require Mode S for Belgium?
>
> Duncan McF.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
> To: europa list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 10:38
> Subject: Europa-List: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015
>
> Can I bring European Europa flyers' attention to the EBLE
> (Sanicole , Belgium) experimental fly in that Karel Vranken warmly invites
> all Europas to. This is the first rally for experimental planes organised
> in Belgium and they certainly seem to be putting a lot of effort into it.
> There are details and registration arrangements at www.experimentaldays.be and
> links to it on the club site (www.theeuropaclub.org) under Flying/
> Flying Program. Karel promises that this is going to be a really
> enjoyable event with the best of Belgian food and beer. He has arranged
> mass exemption from the usual costly business of getting permission for
> Permit aircraft (for those who have pre-registered). He has also arranged a
> fly around the nice bits of Belgium with free landings on the Saturday
> afternoon. Getting there is easy. From UK you can clear customs at Calais
> and then fly in a straight line to EBLE, without needing to put in a new
> flight plan (New Shengen regs)
> Perhaps I can also highlight the Le Touquet Trip due to take place
> on 23 May and ask anyone interested to contact me soon.
> Regards, David Joyce, EC Trips oprganiser
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| Subject: | Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 |
Duncan,
I just read this in the Belgian AIP:
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The carriage and operation of mode S transponders with Basic Functionality is mandatory
in the Brussels FIR/UIR airspace for all aircraft operating:
in civil class C airspace
in civil class D airspace
in class G airspace for VFR flights at night.
The carriage and operation of a serviceable transponder - capable of replying to
Mode A and C interrogations - is mandatory in the Brussels FIR/UIR airspace
for all aircraft operating in military controlled airspace.
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It appears that for VFR day flights no mode S is necessary.
Please correct me if I am wrong, before I do something silly!
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David,
I had not heard of the mentioned Shengen changes. Where can I read about it??
Best regards
Barry Tennant
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Barry Tennant
D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 |
I asked a friend who lives and often flies in Belgium.
The rule is easy as follows (http://www.belgocontrol.be/website/eaip/eAIP_Main/html/eAIP/EB-GEN-1.5-en-GB.html#GEN-1.5 ):
If you need a transponder, it has to be mode S and you need a transponder in all
airspace where a clearance is mandatory.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
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| Subject: | Re: NG Tailplanes & Anti-Servo Trim Tabs |
Alan,
It is absolutely imperative you pay attention to the normal foam tailplane
build instructions:
We have alerted Europa to these issues in general, but I am not tech support
any longer for the factory and cannot give you a definitive answer to why
this occurs other than it is not quite ready for a builder to assemble just
yet without extensive knowledge of how the tabs and stab are built.
Yes the stabs go on the tube, but the stab to fuselage fitting and the TP
inserts for the drive tab pin seating must be done with great care.
The flange (skin surface overhanging the root rib) must be trimmed to allow
the TPs to fully seat in the root of the stab. They will be proud a bit on
one side, once the flange is trimmed to allow the pins to fully seat and the
TPs to be in contact with the rib. Then scuff the area and seat with Redux
and make a nice transition to support the bush.
Next your trim tabs.
No amount of work will get things perfect on the tabs. Always go steps
ahead before proceeding to a cut line. The MS 20001-3 hinge must fit the
flange skin dead flat. So both the tab and stab top skin flanges must be
trimmed to allow the hinge to fit square and flat.
Should the tab be too long for the stab TE, you would have to cut the rebate
in either the tab or stab, or lengthen the stab with a few layers of glass
and some careful molding.
Note also that the hinge line skin bonds are so thick that a normal 1/16 to
1 mm inch gap after paint will jamb the control as the hinge line is so far
from the upper skin due to the excessive thickness of the skins, so an
angled surface must be made to allow proper UP movement of the tab.
The same problem exists with the ailerons.
I have shown the owner the problems first hand. I will forward (when I have
time) more issues with the NG control surfaces.
These are not insurmountable problems in fitting the surfaces, just not
quite cut and bolt up and its done assembly (slot A tab B we all hope for).
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations.
-----Original Message-----
From: alan_hunter1664
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:20 PM
Subject: Europa-List: NG Tailplanes & Anti-Servo Trim Tabs
<alan_hunter1664@yahoo.co.uk>
I seem to be stumbling from one problem to another at the minute. Maybe it's
me inexperience!
Whilst waiting for an answer on my Tailplane Torque tube issue I though I
would complete the quick build Tailplanes. This is achieved by bonding the
bottom skin and the tip using araldite 420. This was completed with only
minor problems along the way. However, fitting the Anti-servo trim tabs is
another matter. I've not approached Europa with this yet as I wanted to see
if anyone else had overcome the problem. The anti-servo tab now comes
pre-built but this is not reflected in the manual. The issue is that if I
align the trailing edge of the trim tab with that of the tailplane there is
insufficient trailing edge at the root to attach the trim tab to and there
would be restricted movement of the trim tab. there are 'trim lines' on the
tailplane training edge and trim tab upper leading edge however trimming
them to these lines would make the anti-servo tab extend proud of the
tailplane trailing edge, is this normal? I've attached some photos which I
hope highlight the issue. !
Any ideas?
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| Subject: | Re: Fly In to Sanicole, EBLE 3-5 July 2015 |
Hi David / Barry
I read this on the Belgium AIP website
2 REQUIREMENT TO SUBMIT A FLIGHT PLAN
A flight plan shall be submitted prior to operating:
1. any FLT or portion thereof to be provided with ATC service
2. any FLT above FL 660
3. any FLT across international borders
4. any FLT at night, if leaving the vicinity of an AD.
Note 1: A pilot may, if he wishes, submit a flight plan for any FLT. A
pilot is advised to submit a flight plan if he intends to fly over sparsely
populated areas, particularly if his ACFT is not equipped with radio.
Note 2: With regard to point c) above, a pilot is not required to use the
flight plan when planning FLTs from the Schengen area into non-controlled
airspace in the Belgian part of the Brussels FIR.
See item "C" and note 2 , so I guess flying into Belgium is ok but what
about leaving ?
read http://www.belgocontrol.be/website/eaip/eAIP_Main/html/index-en-GB.htm
l
to see if I am correct.
Tim
On 28 April 2015 at 11:21, tennant <barrington.tennant@gmail.com> wrote:
m
> >
>
> Duncan,
>
> I just read this in the Belgian AIP:
> -----------------------------------
> The carriage and operation of mode S transponders with Basic Functionalit
y
> is mandatory in the Brussels FIR/UIR airspace for all aircraft operating:
> =A2in civil class C airspace
> =A2in civil class D airspace
> =A2in class G airspace for VFR flights at night.
>
> The carriage and operation of a serviceable transponder - capable of
> replying to Mode A and C interrogations - is mandatory in the Brussels
> FIR/UIR airspace for all aircraft operating in military controlled airspa
ce.
> -------------------------------------
>
> It appears that for VFR day flights no mode S is necessary.
>
> Please correct me if I am wrong, before I do something silly!
> ----------------------------------------
> David,
> I had not heard of the mentioned Shengen changes. Where can I read about
> it??
>
> Best regards
>
> Barry Tennant
>
> --------
> Barry Tennant
> D-EHBT
> At EDLM - Germany
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441429#441429
>
>
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| Subject: | Center Flap Hinge |
Hi Folks,
Doing my annual condition check and flipped the right wing over to get
to the aileron bellcrank and noticed my center flap hinge (the one on
the flap) has pulled out about 1/32nd of an inch. Obviously its loose
but pulling on it will not budge it any further. Couldn't have scuffed
it up enough before bonding it in. It took some effort but it did go
back down. Soooo ... what to do??
Anyone else seen anything like it - it has taken 15 years for it to
suddenly shift! Must have been a bit of turbulence.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
Europa N152MT
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