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Mon 05/11/15


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     1. 04:17 AM - Skyforce Tracker IIIC GPS card upgrades....... (Bob Harrison)
     2. 07:26 AM - Re: FlyIn Wyk auf =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=C3=B6hr?= - Germany 2015 (Roland)
     3. 10:05 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Re:_FlyIn_Wyk_auf_F=C3=B6hr_-_Germany?= =?utf-8?Q?_2015? (david park)
     4. 10:39 AM - Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff (JohnFrance)
     5. 11:23 AM - Re: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff (Brian Davies)
     6. 12:08 PM - Grills on intakes (Paul & Vanessa Munford)
     7. 12:18 PM - Re: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff (dpy01)
     8. 01:06 PM - Re: Grills on intakes (Bob Harrison)
     9. 01:59 PM - Re: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff (Timward)
    10. 10:23 PM - XTreme EMS from MGL Avionics (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?=)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:17:07 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Skyforce Tracker IIIC GPS card upgrades.......
    Hi! All, I recently circulated a message about getting upgrades done around the 23rd April to get the best return for the cost (Most of the upgrade material would be maximised)since the responsibilities for the unit will be transferred to Muirhead Avionics . However it now transpires that the original Honeywell Boxgrove facility are retaining the NAVDATA mapping and software updates for all products and manufacture. BUT Muirhead Avionics WILL handle all hardware repair and overhaul. Honeywell Phone No is :- +44(0) 1243 783763. Muirhead phone No is :- +44(0) 208571 3422. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. Regards Bob Harrison Europa G-PTAG


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    Time: 07:26:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: FlyIn Wyk auf =?ISO-8859-1?Q?F=C3=B6hr?= - Germany 2015
    From: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
    I think there is no Mogas available at Wyk and as the Rotax doesn't like lead, I'll refuel at Heide-Bsum http://www.eddh.de/info/landeinfo-ergebnisb.php?ueicao=EDXB http://edxb.work.de/index.php?article_id which is some 35 NM south of Wyk. Just for information. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441996#441996


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    Time: 10:05:41 AM PST US
    From: david park <dpark748@icloud.com>
    Subject: Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Re:_FlyIn_Wyk_auf_F=C3=B6hr_-_Germany?= =?utf-8?Q?_2015?
    Thanks for the info. Dave Park G-LDVO Sent from my iPhone > On 11 May 2015, at 15:25, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote: > > > I think there is no Mogas available at Wyk and as the Rotax doesn't like lead, I'll refuel at Heide-Bsum > > http://www.eddh.de/info/landeinfo-ergebnisb.php?ueicao=EDXB > http://edxb.work.de/index.php?article_id > > which is some 35 NM south of Wyk. > > Just for information. > > Regards > Roland > PH-ZTI > XS Trigear 914 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441996#441996 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:39:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff
    From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com>
    Hi All, During a flight yesterday I had a fairly strong smell of petrol in the cabin just after take off and while in the climb, it lasted about 2 minutes. I recently removed the drip trays from under the carbs on the advice of several people. Their view was, it's better to have a few drips catching fire than a bigger volume that has been heated up. One of the trays did have a horizontal ring around the inside like a tide mark. The float chambers of both carbs were cleaned and inspected as well as floats and pins for wear. The floats are not part of the various duffer series so I must admit I didn't weigh them. Perhaps I should have! Upon reassembly I pressurized the system and was particularly attentive to the starboard one that had the "tide mark" inside the tray. I don't have any proof of the origin of the smell but I made the link to a recent change that I have carried out. If anyone has any ideas how I might trace the problem or curative measures I would like to know? Best regards John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442016#442016


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    Time: 11:23:27 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>
    Subject: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff
    Hi John, I have had almost the same problem on my aircraft (Trigear 912ULS). My fuel smell seems at its worst soon after take off and at initial throttIe- back at about 1000 ft. I thought I had narrowed it down to one of the carbs flooding after take off and changed the float needles to the latest type and the problem seemed to go away. Rotax have tried three different spring strengths for the float needles so there must be a problem they were trying to fix. The problem came back a few weeks ago so I am also interested in other reports of this problem. Regards Brian Davies. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnFrance Sent: 11 May 2015 18:38 Subject: Europa-List: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff Hi All, During a flight yesterday I had a fairly strong smell of petrol in the cabin just after take off and while in the climb, it lasted about 2 minutes. I recently removed the drip trays from under the carbs on the advice of several people. Their view was, it's better to have a few drips catching fire than a bigger volume that has been heated up. One of the trays did have a horizontal ring around the inside like a tide mark. The float chambers of both carbs were cleaned and inspected as well as floats and pins for wear. The floats are not part of the various duffer series so I must admit I didn't weigh them. Perhaps I should have! Upon reassembly I pressurized the system and was particularly attentive to the starboard one that had the "tide mark" inside the tray. I don't have any proof of the origin of the smell but I made the link to a recent change that I have carried out. If anyone has any ideas how I might trace the problem or curative measures I would like to know? Best regards John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442016#442016 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 12:08:48 PM PST US
    From: "Paul & Vanessa Munford" <pmdental@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Grills on intakes
    Hi all, Just doing the cowlings,- any thoughts please on fitting the intakes with grills to prevent F.O.D or would this impair cooling ?? Thanx in advance for any ideas. Paul Munford kit 625 tri, 912ULS


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    Time: 12:18:22 PM PST US
    From: dpy01 <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff
    If you have recently dropped the fuel bowel check the gasket has seated correctly when you have reassembled. Are the floats, floating correct. See the service bulletin on sinking floats. There is a tool for checking that the float operated valve actually has the correct pressure applied when the bowls are full and the floats are floating Also the new mech pump is higher pressure and can overcome floats if not applying the right pressure on the fuel shutoff valve. Alan iRMT G-OBJT Sent from my iPhone > On 11 May 2015, at 19:22, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi John, > > I have had almost the same problem on my aircraft (Trigear 912ULS). My > fuel smell seems at its worst soon after take off and at initial throttIe- > back at about 1000 ft. I thought I had narrowed it down to one of the carbs > flooding after take off and changed the float needles to the latest type and > the problem seemed to go away. Rotax have tried three different spring > strengths for the float needles so there must be a problem they were trying > to fix. The problem came back a few weeks ago so I am also interested in > other reports of this problem. > > Regards > > Brian Davies. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnFrance > Sent: 11 May 2015 18:38 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff > > > Hi All, > During a flight yesterday I had a fairly strong smell of petrol in the cabin > just after take off and while in the climb, it lasted about 2 minutes. > > I recently removed the drip trays from under the carbs on the advice of > several people. Their view was, it's better to have a few drips catching > fire than a bigger volume that has been heated up. > > One of the trays did have a horizontal ring around the inside like a tide > mark. > The float chambers of both carbs were cleaned and inspected as well as > floats and pins for wear. The floats are not part of the various duffer > series so I must admit I didn't weigh them. Perhaps I should have! > Upon reassembly I pressurized the system and was particularly attentive to > the starboard one that had the "tide mark" inside the tray. > > I don't have any proof of the origin of the smell but I made the link to a > recent change that I have carried out. > > If anyone has any ideas how I might trace the problem or curative measures I > would like to know? > Best regards > John > > -------- > Europa mono Nr 192 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442016#442016 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > >


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    Time: 01:06:17 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Grills on intakes
    Hi! Paul and Vanessa, Now why the dickens would you need grills on the intakes when anything likely to enter would have been shredded by the prop first? Sorry to answer your question with another question ? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG 914 though ! From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul & Vanessa Munford Sent: 11 May 2015 20:08 Subject: Europa-List: Grills on intakes Hi all, Just doing the cowlings,- any thoughts please on fitting the intakes with grills to prevent F.O.D or would this impair cooling ?? Thanx in advance for any ideas. Paul Munford kit 625 tri, 912ULS


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    Time: 01:59:01 PM PST US
    From: Timward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff
    Hi all, You may well find it nothing to do with the engine. Look at the inlet fuel cobra pipe connection to the fuel cap, the rubber pipe from the cobra to the tank, and the connection between the rubber pipe and fuel tank. Also the condition of the rubber pipe. All have the potential to give off smells and on take off, with a full tank, the higher pitch attitude can do this. Kind regards, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 > On 12/05/2015, at 7:17 am, dpy01 <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote: > > > If you have recently dropped the fuel bowel check the gasket has seated correctly when you have reassembled. > > Are the floats, floating correct. See the service bulletin on sinking floats. > > There is a tool for checking that the float operated valve actually has the correct pressure applied when the bowls are full and the floats are floating > > Also the new mech pump is higher pressure and can overcome floats if not applying the right pressure on the fuel shutoff valve. > > Alan > iRMT > G-OBJT > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 11 May 2015, at 19:22, Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> Hi John, >> >> I have had almost the same problem on my aircraft (Trigear 912ULS). My >> fuel smell seems at its worst soon after take off and at initial throttIe- >> back at about 1000 ft. I thought I had narrowed it down to one of the carbs >> flooding after take off and changed the float needles to the latest type and >> the problem seemed to go away. Rotax have tried three different spring >> strengths for the float needles so there must be a problem they were trying >> to fix. The problem came back a few weeks ago so I am also interested in >> other reports of this problem. >> >> Regards >> >> Brian Davies. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnFrance >> Sent: 11 May 2015 18:38 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Smell of petrol in the cocpit just after takeoff >> >> >> Hi All, >> During a flight yesterday I had a fairly strong smell of petrol in the cabin >> just after take off and while in the climb, it lasted about 2 minutes. >> >> I recently removed the drip trays from under the carbs on the advice of >> several people. Their view was, it's better to have a few drips catching >> fire than a bigger volume that has been heated up. >> >> One of the trays did have a horizontal ring around the inside like a tide >> mark. >> The float chambers of both carbs were cleaned and inspected as well as >> floats and pins for wear. The floats are not part of the various duffer >> series so I must admit I didn't weigh them. Perhaps I should have! >> Upon reassembly I pressurized the system and was particularly attentive to >> the starboard one that had the "tide mark" inside the tray. >> >> I don't have any proof of the origin of the smell but I made the link to a >> recent change that I have carried out. >> >> If anyone has any ideas how I might trace the problem or curative measures I >> would like to know? >> Best regards >> John >> >> -------- >> Europa mono Nr 192 >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=442016#442016 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > >


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    Time: 10:23:39 PM PST US
    From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Stanislav_=A9vec?= <standa.svec@volny.cz>
    Subject: XTreme EMS from MGL Avionics
    Hi all, I would like to install the XTreme EMS from MGL Avionics for engine monitoring my Rotax 914 UL. But at the same time I am very afraid to do it. My friend, flyer and very good technician, had in his aircraft the Odyssey EFIS from this company. And he made a bitter experience. After 6 months never ending technical problems he gave up this device and bought the Dynon EFIS. And now, fully satisfied. His advice is - MGL products never more ! My goal is, to buy, to install and to fly. I have no time, no mental and economical power to solve bad device design etc. . . But perhaps the situation by MGL is changing and perhaps the XTreme EMS is different from Odyssey, perhaps this device is trouble free. Please, is somebody here flying this engine monitor? Experiences and recommendations? Thanks very much for responses. Regards Stanislav




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