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1. 02:11 AM - Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks (graeme bird)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks (Fred Klein)
3. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
4. 10:07 AM - Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks (graeme bird)
5. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
6. 12:18 PM - Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks (graeme bird)
7. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks (Bob Harrison)
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks |
thanks; abandoned plane with the very nice people at Welshpool. Brough rad home
to Milton Keynes; looks repairable, but baffled by why a leak would develop at
180 hours in such a place; even given a poor landing or two.
Its where one thin tube joins the main block, back right about 1" up. Maybe poor
manufacture or torsional forces/vibration.
In stock at Europa so decided to take the opportunity to support them even though
painful.
May repair for my amusement
Nice flight to Waterford and Tipperary preceded the 'event' thankful nothing happened
during the water crossings. First time to Ireland yeah!
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 150 hours 36 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks |
Graeme,
As sorry I am to hear of your travails and the trauma of abandoning your bird,
(for hopefully only a short while) Ive always found it fascinating to hear you
UK flyers nonchalantly refer to storied locales with, at most, a mere shrug of
the shouldersthe many places you get to fly over or in and out of with all sorts
of historical significance.
I understand that its a long way to Tipperaryperhaps a perfect place to visit in
a Europa.
Best of luck becoming airborne once again,
Fred
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:10 AM, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
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> abandoned plane with the very nice people at Welshpool. Brough rad home to Milton
Keynes; looks repairable, but baffled by why a leak would develop at 180
hours in such a place; even given a poor landing or two.
>
> Nice flight to Waterford and Tipperary preceded the 'event' thankful nothing
happened during the water crossings. First time to Ireland yeah!
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks |
=0AAny chance of a photo of the crack?=0A=0ADuncan McF.=0A=0A=0A
=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>=0A
ct: Europa-List: Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks=0A=0A=0A-->
Europa-List message posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
thanks; abandoned plane with the very nice people at Welshp
ool. Brough rad home o Milton Keynes; looks repairable, but
baffled by why a leak would develop at 80 hours in s
uch a place; even given a poor landing or two.ts where
one thin tube joins the main block, back right about 1" up
. Maybe oor manufacture or torsional forces/vibration.In
stock at Europa so decided to take the opportunity to suppor
t them even hough painful.May repair for my amusementNi
ce flight to Waterford and Tipperary preceded the 'event' than
kful nothing appened during the water crossings. First time
to Ireland yeah!--------raeme Bird-UMPYono Classic/XS 912S
/Woodcomp 3000/3Wewby: 150 hours 36 months on the Mono (
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks |
its more of a tiny crater or solder bubble; perhaps a manufacturing flaw. The brown
is my stupidity, tired to get the engine hotter in winder, but putting some
roofing joint tape over a bit off it, or course it was tar based and I had
to remove with petrol (from the other side)
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 150 hours 36 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks |
Hi Graeme
If it were I who was stuck, if I knew my aeroplane and surrounding flying
area and it was landing friendly, I wouldn't have a problem cleaning
it as best you can, then applying some JB KWIK Epoxy (which IMHO should
be in every repair kit for every vehicle you own). It used to be touted
as 4 minute, now it's touted as 6 minute, I would wait at room
temperature for at least 2 hours before filling with coolant and warming
it up. Temperature rating is well above spit (and coolant) sizzle temp. I
would then go taxi around and get things real hot and see if it's
working. If it holds under the very hot temp you just tested to. Then I
would launch at dawn or when it's the lowest temp you can find and
keep things as cool as you can. I'm not familiar enough with Rotax
operation on your aeroplane, but on automobiles if you can not heat up
coolant too much, leave the radiator cap loose where it isn't under
any pressure. Then if you test with pressure and fly with none chance of
success is increased greatly. Look for a reason, any good reason to not
do as I mention, If you can't find a good reason to not do
it............
Over the years I have done roadway repairs on quite a few radiators for
cars and motorcycles. Even what seems like impossible situations can be
overcome if you have some JB KWIK. A few months I rescued a friend with a
high end Jap car with aluminium radiator and plastic radiator hose
nipple. The top nipple pretty much disintegrated, just touch it and it
cracked into pieces. Late at night nothing opened. I garbage picked a
coke can, cut it with my Swiss Army knife into a sheet, scuffed where
Epoxy was going to go, poked some strategic holes here and there, sewed
up as needed with safety wire (another thing you want in tool kit) if you
don't have, paperclips work OK as would bailing wire, even copper
wire). Anyway went after it with JB KWIK, left radiator cap loose and he
used the car a week like that!
Good luck
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks |
So I have a theory as to the cause and its linked to the weeping I used to get
on shut down (from new) and the split pipe I had over the radiator junction. The
radiator wasn't leaking in flight, it started when I shut down. When the water
pump stops working and the engine is hot, from landing with the prop on fine
and highish revs, the pressure builds up at this end of the radiator. Now I
have clamped it all up and stopped any leaks its found a weak spot in a rad weld
and made a small puncture.
I wonder if the cap needs to be a lower pressure one so it vents properly instead
of knackering the rad?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 150 hours 36 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks |
Could easily boil dry with a less poundage cap.!
Not a good idea.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of graeme bird
Sent: 19 June 2015 20:18
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stuck at welshpool radiator leaks
So I have a theory as to the cause and its linked to the weeping I used to
get on shut down (from new) and the split pipe I had over the radiator
junction. The radiator wasn't leaking in flight, it started when I shut
down. When the water pump stops working and the engine is hot, from landing
with the prop on fine and highish revs, the pressure builds up at this end
of the radiator. Now I have clamped it all up and stopped any leaks its
found a weak spot in a rad weld and made a small puncture.
I wonder if the cap needs to be a lower pressure one so it vents properly
instead of knackering the rad?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 150 hours 36 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443817#443817
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