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1. 12:27 AM - Fly In Jet Age Museum Gloucester Sat 18 July (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
2. 12:56 AM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Brian Davies)
3. 12:20 PM - Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (graeme bird)
4. 01:11 PM - Re: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas (Brian Davies)
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| Subject: | Fly In Jet Age Museum Gloucester Sat 18 July |
Dear All, Do come and join us at the Europa Club/Gloster Strut Fly In to
the newly opened Jet Age Museum at Gloucester. We are preparing a
lavish, heavily subsidised BBQ to welcome you. Details attached. We
would hope to find overnight accommodation for anyone flying in from
abroad.
Regards, David Joyce
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Graeme,
The first four aircraft in the trials do not include a Europa. Once the
process has been agreed with the CAA, based on experience of the first four,
we will be trialling a further group of ten aircraft and then making it a
standard procedure. In order to be part of the trials someone has to be
prepared to put their aircraft through a fairly expensive test flight
evaluation in order to determine that the flight characteristics of the
aircraft meet the requirements of EASA design code CS-23. The owner also
has to be prepared to pay for a fair amount of simulated and actual IMC
flying in order to evaluate the suitability of the equipment fit without any
guarantee that they will get approval at the end of the process. So far, no
Europa owner has come forward to take on this challenge.
Regards
Brian Davies
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of graeme bird
Sent: 02 July 2015 13:51
Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
Anyone know the progress on this? It was unclear to me in the last LAA mag
whether a Europa is still in the trials - I assume so. Whose is it and how
is it doing I wonder?
When I flew across the Irish Sea the other day I was glad of my IMC training
and AH as the haze obliterated any real forward horizon for half an hour
although to each side to the sea was clear. Tempted to ditch my steam DI for
something more informed - although I don't want to be entirely GPS system
dependent.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 150 hours 36 months on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Yes someone should do this :-). What kind of amount of money are you talking about
Brian?
Is the simulated and actual IMC by the owner or someone else?
Soon there must be a feeling for an acceptable level of instrumentation so that
its not an entire waste of time?
I am based close to Turweston maybe that would be an advantage? I have a AH, DI
(vac) slip VSI etc and a couple of GPS's and an IMC rating am I likely to need
loads more?
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 180 hours 4 years on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas |
Hi Graeme,
You would have to talk to Andy Draper to get more detail. Although the
Europa has not been specifically tested it is expected to be no problem on
the flying qualities side but this has to be checked as first of type by an
approved test pilot who expects to be paid. Most of the instrumentation
issues arise from uncertified glass rather than a standard six pack. The
Night/IFR team are developing a check list that can be used to assess the
equipment suitability.
Give Andy a call.
Regards
Brian
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of graeme bird
Sent: 03 July 2015 20:20
Subject: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
Yes someone should do this :-). What kind of amount of money are you talking
about Brian?
Is the simulated and actual IMC by the owner or someone else?
Soon there must be a feeling for an acceptable level of instrumentation so
that its not an entire waste of time?
I am based close to Turweston maybe that would be an advantage? I have a AH,
DI (vac) slip VSI etc and a couple of GPS's and an IMC rating am I likely to
need loads more?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 180 hours 4 years on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444345#444345
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