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1. 12:47 AM - Re: Laddingford Fly-In / Europa Club AGM (Roland)
2. 01:20 AM - Re: Re: Laddingford Fly-In / Europa Club AGM (Nigel Graham)
3. 01:55 AM - Re: Re: Laddingford Fly-In / Europa Club AGM (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
4. 01:13 PM - Fuel Tank Leak (Dave Disney)
5. 01:29 PM - Propeller/engine vibration (JohnFrance)
6. 02:13 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Leak (Steven Pitt)
7. 02:15 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Leak (Ken Carpenter)
8. 02:24 PM - Re: Propeller/engine vibration (David Watts)
9. 02:49 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Leak (jim lawn)
10. 04:06 PM - Re: Propeller/engine vibration (Robert Borger)
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| Subject: | Re: Laddingford Fly-In / Europa Club AGM |
I'd also like to thank those involved in the organization for that smashing event.
Special thanks also to David Watts for supplying fuel for my return trip to
Germany.
You don't get to see so many Europas lined up on the other side of the channel.
Concerning the crash landing in the afternoon - I was thinking everyone walked
away from the scene and I saw no ambulance. I didn't hear anyone talking about
injuries either, so I indeed hope no one got hurt.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
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| Subject: | Re: Laddingford Fly-In / Europa Club AGM |
By all accounts I missed a "classic" fly-in. Can anyone post up some
pictures (of rows of 'planes - not the unfortunate mishaps)?
Nigel
On 13/07/2015 08:47, Roland wrote:
>
> I'd also like to thank those involved in the organization for that smashing event.
Special thanks also to David Watts for supplying fuel for my return trip
to Germany.
>
> You don't get to see so many Europas lined up on the other side of the channel.
>
> Concerning the crash landing in the afternoon - I was thinking everyone walked
away from the scene and I saw no ambulance. I didn't hear anyone talking about
injuries either, so I indeed hope no one got hurt.
>
> Regards
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS Trigear 914
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444689#444689
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| Subject: | Re: Laddingford Fly-In / Europa Club AGM |
Actually, as the pilot of the second 'mishap' on Saturday at Laddingford, when
G-IKRK ended up in the ditch to the left of the runway, if anyone has a photo
of the aircraft in the ditch, could they send it to me as a private message.
Thanks (and also to all for the help and support after the incident - much appreciated)
.
Roddy Kesterton
-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 9:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Laddingford Fly-In / Europa Club AGM
<nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
By all accounts I missed a "classic" fly-in.
Can anyone post up some
pictures (of rows of 'planes - not the unfortunate
mishaps)?
Nigel
On 13/07/2015 08:47, Roland wrote:
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message posted by: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>
>
> I'd also like to thank
those involved in the organization for that smashing event. Special thanks also
to David Watts for supplying fuel for my return trip to Germany.
>
> You don't
get to see so many Europas lined up on the other side of the channel.
>
>
Concerning the crash landing in the afternoon - I was thinking everyone walked
away from the scene and I saw no ambulance. I didn't hear anyone talking about
injuries either, so I indeed hope no one got hurt.
>
> Regards
> Roland
>
PH-ZTI
> XS Trigear 914
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444689#444689
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The day after flying back from the Shuttleworth DOTH I noticed a strong smell of
fuel in the hanger. Investigation led to mopping out about a litre of fuel from
under the baggage bay area.
Further investigation has proved that the fuel tank is leaking. Strangely, it
only begins to leak when 35+ litres of fluid is in the tank. I've taken the wings
off and checked as best I can to identify where the leak is, but haven't identified
exactly where it is coming from other than it is from the reserve (starboard)
side of the tank.
I really don't fancy the idea of ripping out and replacing the tank, so I want
to investigate all options before rushing in. Has anyone investigated using a
bag tank inside the existing tank?
My previous aircraft, a Glos Airtourer, had a bag tank as do many military and
other aircraft, Piper Aztec springs to mind, so it should be possible. I'm thinking
that access could be made between the headrests. Is this a structural area,
if so, how big an access would be allowable? In case you haven't guessed,
I'm not the builder of the aircraft but I would tackle replacing the plastic fuel
tank if I have to. I just don't like the idea of removing some of the structural
elements of the aircraft to replace a tank with a new one that could suffer
the same fate sometime in the future. At least a bladder tank can be removed
and repaired if necessary.
Any thoughts anyone?
Dave
G-RJWX
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| Subject: | Propeller/engine vibration |
Hi All,
during a recent flight I experienced (propeller!) vibration at the start of the
descent when I reduced power. This was after about two hours in cruise flight.
The frequency was quite high and I could feel a tingling sensation in the feet
in contact with the rudder pedals which makes me think the vibration is coming
from the propeller/engine combination.
Upon landing I made a close inspection of the propeller and everything seemed normal
except for some flies and bugs. After cleaning, during the next flight I
experienced the same problem. The vibration is at its worst at 4800 rpm and reduces
slightly at 5000 but it is still noticeable.
Before I start taking everything to pieces does anyone have an idea what could
cause this sudden change?
Regards,
John
--------
Europa mono Nr 192
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Leak |
Dave,
My immediate suggestion would be to talk to Bud Yerly in Florida as he has
already written up the process for replacing the fuel tank.
In the UK the Europa club has two technical representatives in Nigel Graham
and John Wighton, and Neville Ayre has worked on many Europas in the UK
having previously worked at Europa in the early development and peak sales
period.
So you have many sources of expertise available to you if you do not fancy
having a go at it yourself.
I am not aware of anyone using an in tank bladder but again my thought would
be that you do not want to reduce the tank size if you can help it.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Steve Pitt
Chairman, Europa Club
G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Disney" <davedisney@yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 9:11 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Leak
>
> The day after flying back from the Shuttleworth DOTH I noticed a strong
> smell of fuel in the hanger. Investigation led to mopping out about a
> litre of fuel from under the baggage bay area.
>
> Further investigation has proved that the fuel tank is leaking. Strangely,
> it only begins to leak when 35+ litres of fluid is in the tank. I've taken
> the wings off and checked as best I can to identify where the leak is, but
> haven't identified exactly where it is coming from other than it is from
> the reserve (starboard) side of the tank.
>
> I really don't fancy the idea of ripping out and replacing the tank, so I
> want to investigate all options before rushing in. Has anyone investigated
> using a bag tank inside the existing tank?
>
> My previous aircraft, a Glos Airtourer, had a bag tank as do many military
> and other aircraft, Piper Aztec springs to mind, so it should be possible.
> I'm thinking that access could be made between the headrests. Is this a
> structural area, if so, how big an access would be allowable? In case you
> haven't guessed, I'm not the builder of the aircraft but I would tackle
> replacing the plastic fuel tank if I have to. I just don't like the idea
> of removing some of the structural elements of the aircraft to replace a
> tank with a new one that could suffer the same fate sometime in the
> future. At least a bladder tank can be removed and repaired if necessary.
>
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
> Dave
> G-RJWX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444701#444701
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Leak |
First, be sure the source. I thought I had a tank leak and turned out to be the
fitting at the bottom of the tank. Redid all the hoses and leak solved. Others
have not been so lucky.
Sent from my iPad
Ken Carpenter
> On Jul 13, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Dave Disney <davedisney@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> The day after flying back from the Shuttleworth DOTH I noticed a strong smell
of fuel in the hanger. Investigation led to mopping out about a litre of fuel
from under the baggage bay area.
>
> Further investigation has proved that the fuel tank is leaking. Strangely, it
only begins to leak when 35+ litres of fluid is in the tank. I've taken the
wings off and checked as best I can to identify where the leak is, but haven't
identified exactly where it is coming from other than it is from the reserve
(starboard) side of the tank.
>
> I really don't fancy the idea of ripping out and replacing the tank, so I want
to investigate all options before rushing in. Has anyone investigated using
a bag tank inside the existing tank?
>
> My previous aircraft, a Glos Airtourer, had a bag tank as do many military and
other aircraft, Piper Aztec springs to mind, so it should be possible. I'm thinking
that access could be made between the headrests. Is this a structural
area, if so, how big an access would be allowable? In case you haven't guessed,
I'm not the builder of the aircraft but I would tackle replacing the plastic
fuel tank if I have to. I just don't like the idea of removing some of the structural
elements of the aircraft to replace a tank with a new one that could
suffer the same fate sometime in the future. At least a bladder tank can be removed
and repaired if necessary.
>
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
> Dave
> G-RJWX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444701#444701
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller/engine vibration |
John
I have been chasing this exact problem since May 20th and finally it looks like
it may be cured, but without actually finding anything wrong.
I will explain.
At 4900 rpm and 25" manifold pressure it was smooth as you could want. At 4900
rpm and 24" map down to 18" map and really severe vibration.
Over the next few weeks I checked and test flew
Carb balance
Replaced the carb needles and jets
Changed both the carbs to a couple of spares
Flew using only one then the other mag
Checked the whole exhaust system
Replaced the whole exhaust system for an old spare setup
Checked over the whole Airmaster propeller assembly
Checked cylinder pressures
Checked the engine mounting rubbers
Checked for anything touching or loose
All of these things made absolutely no difference to the manner or severity of
the vibration.
Finally after advice from a Rotax expert service agent in the UK I removed the
gearbox and took it to him. He took it apart but couldn't find anything wrong.
I got him to replace the bellville washers and the front bearing as it was all
apart.
Upon reassembly it now runs smooth again, so probably or maybe it was the gearbox.
I am still very wary at the moment but I am hoping the problem is solved.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY Classic MonoWheel
2150 hrs airframe 1150 hrs 912S Rotax engine
> On 13 Jul 2015, at 21:29, JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
> during a recent flight I experienced (propeller!) vibration at the start of the
descent when I reduced power. This was after about two hours in cruise flight.
The frequency was quite high and I could feel a tingling sensation in the
feet in contact with the rudder pedals which makes me think the vibration is coming
from the propeller/engine combination.
> Upon landing I made a close inspection of the propeller and everything seemed
normal except for some flies and bugs. After cleaning, during the next flight
I experienced the same problem. The vibration is at its worst at 4800 rpm and
reduces slightly at 5000 but it is still noticeable.
> Before I start taking everything to pieces does anyone have an idea what could
cause this sudden change?
> Regards,
> John
>
> --------
> Europa mono Nr 192
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444702#444702
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Leak |
Dave,
I had a "leak" on that side which was in fact the large input hose where it attaches
to the tank. I had over tightened the hose clip which had distorted boss
on the tank which caused the leak - mainly during refuelling.
Jim Lawn
Sent from my iPad
> On 13 Jul 2015, at 21:22, Dave Disney <davedisney@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> The day after flying back from the Shuttleworth DOTH I noticed a strong smell
of fuel in the hanger. Investigation led to mopping out about a litre of fuel
from under the baggage bay area.
>
> Further investigation has proved that the fuel tank is leaking. Strangely, it
only begins to leak when 35+ litres of fluid is in the tank. I've taken the
wings off and checked as best I can to identify where the leak is, but haven't
identified exactly where it is coming from other than it is from the reserve
(starboard) side of the tank.
>
> I really don't fancy the idea of ripping out and replacing the tank, so I want
to investigate all options before rushing in. Has anyone investigated using
a bag tank inside the existing tank?
>
> My previous aircraft, a Glos Airtourer, had a bag tank as do many military and
other aircraft, Piper Aztec springs to mind, so it should be possible. I'm thinking
that access could be made between the headrests. Is this a structural
area, if so, how big an access would be allowable? In case you haven't guessed,
I'm not the builder of the aircraft but I would tackle replacing the plastic
fuel tank if I have to. I just don't like the idea of removing some of the structural
elements of the aircraft to replace a tank with a new one that could
suffer the same fate sometime in the future. At least a bladder tank can be removed
and repaired if necessary.
>
> Any thoughts anyone?
>
> Dave
> G-RJWX
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=444701#444701
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller/engine vibration |
John,
I agree with Dave Watts. First place Id look is the gearbox. Have a good Rotax
tech go through the various checks in the maintenance manual. I bet you need
new Bellville springs. Hopefully, nothing further needs replacing.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Jul 13, 2015, at 3:29 PM, JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
during a recent flight I experienced (propeller!) vibration at the start of the
descent when I reduced power. This was after about two hours in cruise flight.
The frequency was quite high and I could feel a tingling sensation in the feet
in contact with the rudder pedals which makes me think the vibration is coming
from the propeller/engine combination.
Upon landing I made a close inspection of the propeller and everything seemed normal
except for some flies and bugs. After cleaning, during the next flight I
experienced the same problem. The vibration is at its worst at 4800 rpm and reduces
slightly at 5000 but it is still noticeable.
Before I start taking everything to pieces does anyone have an idea what could
cause this sudden change?
Regards,
John
--------
Europa mono Nr 192
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