---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/21/15: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 AM - Re: Typical mass of paint? (Clive Sutton) 2. 12:46 AM - Early mono cowlings (Clive Sutton) 3. 01:55 AM - Re: Re: Typical mass of =?UTF-8?Q?paint=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 02:13 AM - Re: Typical mass of paint? (Clive Sutton) 5. 08:45 AM - Re: Early mono cowlings (Paul McAllister) 6. 08:58 AM - XS Classic for sale (HowardM) 7. 10:46 AM - Re: Typical mass of paint? (spcialeffects) 8. 10:51 AM - Re: Early mono cowlings (spcialeffects) 9. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Typical mass of =?UTF-8?Q?paint=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:56 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Typical mass of paint? From: "Clive Sutton" As I have just finished this task I thought I'd update those interested as to the results. I paid an expert to do the painting but did much of the hard graft (yes, sanding and fill, sand and fill - weep - sand and fill . . . ) myself - about 150 hours of work. The before/after mass figures for the whole mono airframe without anything else installed (but including u/c) were: 218kg before, 236kg after - so about 30lbs added due to painting and finishing. It took 3 coats of Lesonol 540 primer and 3 coats of 2-pack acrylic and plenty of sanding/profiling and wet-flatting in between each primer coat. One interesting piece of advice was to try and avoid choosing any 'special' tint of topcoat white and to write down what paint was used - so that any subsequent touch-ups or resprays are not made more difficult by trying to match colours. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445008#445008 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:58 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Early mono cowlings From: "Clive Sutton" I have one set of factory grey-gelcoated mono/classic cowlings that I won't be using. Are they of value to anyone else? Pic attached - make me an offer if interested. I'm located in the UK Midlands Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445009#445009 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/classic_cowlings_950.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:27 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Typical mass of =?UTF-8?Q?paint=3F? Clive, unless there has been a slip of the typewriter or the brain 236 - 218 = 18kg or 39.6lbs. It does raise the question as to whether gel coat is not actually lighter, and my gel coated/914/wobbly prop/fully eqipped XS is one of the lightest in the fleet. It only takes perfect preparation of an absolutely true, absolutely matt surface, one coat of gel coat sprayed by an expert, then you wet and dry most (?2/3) of it off. No primer, no UV coat needed and I am pretty certain my expert didn't use 40 lbs anyway before I sanded most of it off. The other advantage is that you end up with the perfect laminar flow surface - feels just like a young lady's thigh (although such memories are sadly fading!) Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ (833lbs) On 2015-07-21 08:42, Clive Sutton wrote: > > As I have just finished this task I thought I'd update those interested as to the results. > > I paid an expert to do the painting but did much of the hard graft (yes, sanding and fill, sand and fill - weep - sand and fill . . . ) myself - about 150 hours of work. The before/after mass figures for the whole mono airframe without anything else installed (but including u/c) were: 218kg before, 236kg after - so about 30lbs added due to painting and finishing. It took 3 coats of Lesonol 540 primer and 3 coats of 2-pack acrylic and plenty of sanding/profiling and wet-flatting in between each primer coat. > > One interesting piece of advice was to try and avoid choosing any 'special' tint of topcoat white and to write down what paint was used - so that any subsequent touch-ups or resprays are not made more difficult by trying to match colours. > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445008#445008 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445008#445008 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Typical mass of paint? From: "Clive Sutton" Hi David, yes you are right of course. and thanks for correcting my post. The paint was 30lb, the other 10lbs or so is the mass of MODs 24, 52 and a special extended baggage bay (to the G-WUFF recipe) between weighings. The advantages of the 'young ladies thigh' finish are many - though i think my arms may have fallen off attempting it. Wrapping in Oratex must be another alternative to painting (it has been done apparently) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445011#445011 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Early mono cowlings From: Paul McAllister If anyone in the US has a set I'd appreciate getting a hold of them. - Paul On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:46 AM, Clive Sutton wrote: > clive.maf@googlemail.com> > > I have one set of factory grey-gelcoated mono/classic cowlings that I > won't be using. Are they of value to anyone else? Pic attached - make me > an offer if interested. I'm located in the UK Midlands > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: XS Classic for sale From: "HowardM" Exceptionally well-built aircraft with all mods. Builder even faired the mono gear! He retired from flying at age 90! Professionally installed Honda Civic by Firewall Forward (130hp), Airmaster C/S prop, speed mods, faired tailwheel. Complete with wheeled storage 'box' which holds entire aircraft, wings, tail, and room for all paraphenalia. Long-range tank, headsets, good avionics. Motor currently getting timing belt replaced and re-installed. Purchased entire kit including epoxy intending conversion to tri gear, but realize I have no time to install. 50hrs TTAE Aircraft at Nanaimo, BC Canada CAN$39K with kit $30K without. Howard hmallett@uniserve.com -------- Howard Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445026#445026 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Typical mass of paint? From: "spcialeffects" I have been thinking about the finish of my aircraft and like the idea of gel coat. Who was your expert David? Thanks Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445029#445029 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:22 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Early mono cowlings From: "spcialeffects" I too have a set of original mono classic cowls as my classic is getting a set of Neville Eyre 's new design ones Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445030#445030 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:37 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Typical mass of =?UTF-8?Q?paint=3F? Frank, Roger Targett (of Targett Aviation), who is an LAA inspector who has supervised 5 or 6 Europa builds and repaired lots, as well as having a life time's experience repairing gliders and power planes. I do not think there is any greater Fibreglass expert in the UK. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2015-07-21 18:45, spcialeffects wrote: > > I have been thinking about the finish of my aircraft and like the idea of gel coat. Who was your expert David? > Thanks Frank > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445029#445029 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445029#445029 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.