---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/30/15: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:20 AM - mono fuselage stability on trailer (Fred Klein) 2. 08:57 AM - Re: mono fuselage stability on trailer (david park) 3. 02:13 PM - Re: mono fuselage stability on trailer (Peter Timm) 4. 02:43 PM - Re: mono fuselage stability on trailer (Timward) 5. 04:13 PM - Skyforce 111c GPS (Alan Carter) 6. 10:26 PM - mono fuselage stability on trailer (Fred Klein) 7. 11:48 PM - Re: Skyforce 111c GPS (Bryan Nortje) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:46 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: mono fuselage stability on trailer Gents, Ive often had concerns about the stability of the mono wheel fuselage when it rides along the road on its bespoke trailer...(couldnt resist the opportunity to use this very British utterance). When my mind imagines the moment arms and the mass, stabilized solely by the capturing of the sides of the LG02 retraction arm within the sides of the tilt-up ramp, I fear that the fuselage tipping over, contacting the wings or worse, is just a heartbeat away. I have similar concerns about the stability of the fuselage while on the trailer during the attaching and removal of the wingsan operation Ive yet to attemptbut the amount of the forces in play that Ive experienced when attaching the wings when the fuselage sits on a cradle in the shop gives me pause. Can I hear from those w/ actual experience as to whether or not my fears are unfounded?or is the fuselage stabilized by some additional means by which I am unaware? Fred ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono fuselage stability on trailer From: david park When mine was a Mono i used to put first wing on and support it while attaching second wing. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On 30 Jul 2015, at 16:19, Fred Klein wrote: > > > Gents, > > Ive often had concerns about the stability of the mono wheel fuselage when it rides along the road on its bespoke trailer...(couldnt resist the opportunity to use this very British utterance). > > When my mind imagines the moment arms and the mass, stabilized solely by the capturing of the sides of the LG02 retraction arm within the sides of the tilt-up ramp, I fear that the fuselage tipping over, contacting the wings or worse, is just a heartbeat away. > > I have similar concerns about the stability of the fuselage while on the trailer during the attaching and removal of the wingsan operation Ive yet to attemptbut the amount of the forces in play that Ive experienced when attaching the wings when the fuselage sits on a cradle in the shop gives me pause. > > Can I hear from those w/ actual experience as to whether or not my fears are unfounded?or is the fuselage stabilized by some additional means by which I am unaware? > > Fred > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono fuselage stability on trailer From: Peter Timm Fred, I've made two hooks out of flat steel, with some padding glued to the inside of them, that fit into the openings for the spars. They are then attached to the trailer frame below with the usual ratchet set-up. For placing the aircraft on the trailer both wings should remain attached for better balance. You will need somebody to hold the wings level while you winch the aircraft onto the trailer and adjust and attach the folding up ramp. This will hold the aircraft , while you support the left wing , raise the wing cradles etc.. , but , as you have already determined, is not sufficient for road travel. After removing and loading the wings it becomes a little more awkward to hook up the the fuselage to the trailer frame, but it must be done. Since the fuselage is facing tail forward, it helps to fabricate a padded pair of scissors to keep the rudder from being exposed to some vicious side-loads . Do not put the elevators on the trailer! I always carry them in the car. Hope this helps. Cheers , Peter On 2015-07-30, at 8:19 AM, Fred Klein wrote: > > Gents, > > Ive often had concerns about the stability of the mono wheel fuselage when it rides along the road on its bespoke trailer...(couldnt resist the opportunity to use this very British utterance). > > When my mind imagines the moment arms and the mass, stabilized solely by the capturing of the sides of the LG02 retraction arm within the sides of the tilt-up ramp, I fear that the fuselage tipping over, contacting the wings or worse, is just a heartbeat away. > > I have similar concerns about the stability of the fuselage while on the trailer during the attaching and removal of the wingsan operation Ive yet to attemptbut the amount of the forces in play that Ive experienced when attaching the wings when the fuselage sits on a cradle in the shop gives me pause. > > Can I hear from those w/ actual experience as to whether or not my fears are unfounded?or is the fuselage stabilized by some additional means by which I am unaware? > > Fred > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:58 PM PST US From: Timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono fuselage stability on trailer Hi Fred, I have placed a rubber block, shaped to form where it contacts the fuselage and glued to the inside of the wing holder arm that retracts for de rigging/rigging. Once the fuselage is on the trailer, retract the wing holder arms either side and the rubber blocks hold the fuselage upright. At the tail of the aircraft I use bungee cords around the tailwheel arm and trailer track to stop it jumping out of its track race which has happened once. Otherwise it does travel well on the trailer. There are various other minor alterations you have to do due to Mods on the the Spars but all doable. Cheers. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 > On 30/07/2015, at 11:19 pm, Fred Klein wrote: > > > Gents, > > Ifve often had concerns about the stability of the mono wheel fuselage when it rides along the road on its gbespokeh trailer...(couldnft resist the opportunity to use this very British utterance). > > When my mind imagines the moment arms and the mass, stabilized solely by the capturing of the sides of the LG02 retraction arm within the sides of the tilt-up ramp, I fear that the fuselage tipping over, contacting the wings or worse, is just a heartbeat away. > > I have similar concerns about the stability of the fuselage while on the trailer during the attaching and removal of the wingscan operation Ifve yet to attemptcbut the amount of the forces in play that Ifve experienced when attaching the wings when the fuselage sits on a cradle in the shop gives me pause. > > Can I hear from those w/ actual experience as to whether or not my fears are unfounded?cor is the fuselage stabilized by some additional means by which I am unaware? > > Fred > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:22 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Skyforce 111c GPS From: "Alan Carter" Hi All Anyone got a Skyforce 111c for sale. Alan in UK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445437#445437 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:09 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: mono fuselage stability on trailer Tim, Peter, and Davidthank you for confirming my sense that additional means to stabilise the fuselage on the Europa mono trailer is necessary, as well as the clear descriptions of how youve dealt with the issue. Best, Fred ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:28 PM PST US From: Bryan Nortje Subject: Re: Europa-List: Skyforce 111c GPS Hi Alan I got an AVMAP EXP4 with mount bracket etc if that would do. Only I'm now sat on a plane to USA for 2 weeks. Cheers Bryan Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Jul 2015, at 00:12, Alan Carter wrote: > > > Hi All > Anyone got a Skyforce 111c for sale. > Alan in UK > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445437#445437 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.