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2. 02:26 AM - Re: Help Needed (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
3. 02:35 AM - Re: Help Needed (DAVID JOYCE)
4. 03:08 AM - Re: Help Needed (Peter Jeffers)
5. 11:01 AM - Mono/Tri-Gear, height differences (italianjon)
6. 01:10 PM - cht sensors (Erich Trombley)
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Hi,
I have built a mono Europa from scratch and then flew it for some 1,800 hrs.
I had previously flown many types of gliders and light aircraft, amassing
about 700 hrs power and 1,500 hrs gliding. I was a fully categorised gliding
instructor and have spent 10 yrs as a class rated power instructor for the
Light Aero Association in the UK.
I only mention the above so that you have some idea of the validity of what
I am about to say.
The Mono Europa is not an easy aircraft to land or take off safely. In the
hands of an 'above average experience' pilot with tail dragger hours the
Mono is a delight to fly but challenging. The Mono is definitely not
suitable for early training. Be careful also as I am led to believe that
getting insurance cover for a Mono in the USA is between difficult and
impossible.
Bearing in mind that you appear to already have the kit I would strongly
urge you to consider building it as a Tri-Gear. Unfortunately this would
involve you in some more expense, but it is a much more user friendly
aircraft to fly.
If you continue to build as a Mono then it is only a matter of time, after
completion, before an incident will occur and whoever was flying it will be
put off flying for life.
One last recommendation is to power the aircraft with the engine it was
designed for, ie Rotax 912 or 914. Many alternative engines have been
installed in the past but each requires a different 'fire wall forward' kit.
Only the Rotax series of engines can be fitted with the Europa Aircraft
standard kit. The Rotax engine powers most Europas world wide and has proved
to be very reliable. This last comment cannot be said for certain other
Engines.
If you have need for any further communication then please ask.
Best regards and good wishes for your very commendable project
Pete Jeffers (LAA Inspector for the Europa Club)
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
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Sent: 05 August 2015 17:32
Subject: Europa-List: Help Needed
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Good Morning Everyone on the Europa List
The Camden Youth Aviation Program has recently acquired a partially
completed mono-wheel Europa kit which it will be building with with the
middle and high school students of LEAP Academy
(http://www.leapacademycharter.org/).Once built it is our hope that the
young people who helped to build the aircraft would be able to take flight
lessons in the aircraft.
We are looking for volunteers in the Camden, NJ, Greater Philadelphia and
Wilmington, DE areas who have experience building the Europa to help lead
this project and to work with our young people. We are also hoping that
builders who have completed their aircraft would consider donating their no
longer needed tools to us.
The Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to show the young people of Camden
and Southern NJ all aspects of aviation and that there is more to life than
what they see in their neighborhoods. Also by introducing them to aviation,
we are hoping to give them something to dream about and to inspire them to
rise above the limits of their environment. The program is open to all
Camden and Southern NJ youth who are interested in aviation. Participation
in the Camden Youth Aviation Program is not limited to any one group or
organization, but welcomes all young people who are interested in aviation.
Additionally, the Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to act as a resource
to schools and youth groups to make them aware of the educational aviation
resources that are available to them. The Camden Youth Aviation Program was
established under the auspices of the former Camden Police Foundation and
the Diocese of Camden's Community Relations Advisory Board. The Camden
Youth Aviation Pr!
ogram is incorporated as a Non-Profit Corporation in the State of NJ and is
a certified 501(c)3 non-profit charity. More information about the Camden
Youth Aviation Program can be found on the Camden Youth Aviation Program
Facebook page and on our website at www.Camdenyap.org.
Please contact me if you have any questions about the post or if you are
willing to help us in any fashion to give inner city and under-served youth
the Dream of Flight.
I can be reached off list at camdenyouthaviation@live.com or via phone at
856-354-0173.
Thank You for your time and interest.
Sincerely,
Ira Weissman
Co-Founder, Camden Youth Aviation Program
--------
Giving The Youth Of Camden And Southern New Jersey The Dream Of Flight
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Very well explained Pete, I agree with every word.Graham
On Thursday, 6 August 2015, 9:26, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net
> wrote:
Hi,
I have built a mono Europa from scratch and then flew it for some 1,800 hrs
.
I had previously flown many types of gliders and light aircraft, amassing
about 700 hrs power and 1,500 hrs gliding. I was a fully categorised glidin
g
instructor and have spent 10 yrs as a class rated power instructor for the
Light Aero Association in the UK.
I only mention the above so that you have some idea of the validity of what
I am about to say.
The Mono Europa is not an easy aircraft to land or take off safely. In the
hands of an 'above average experience' pilot with tail dragger hours the
Mono is a delight to fly but challenging. The Mono is definitely not
suitable for early training. Be careful also as I am led to believe that
getting insurance cover for a Mono in the USA is between difficult and
impossible.
Bearing in mind that you appear to already have the kit I would strongly
urge you to consider building it as a Tri-Gear. Unfortunately this would
involve you in some more expense, but it is a much more user friendly
aircraft to fly.
If you continue to build as a Mono then it is only a matter of time, after
completion, before an incident will occur and whoever was flying it will be
put off flying for life.
One last recommendation is to power the aircraft with the engine it was
designed for, ie Rotax 912 or 914.=C2- Many alternative engines have been
installed in the past but each requires a different 'fire wall forward' kit
.
Only the Rotax series of engines can be fitted with the Europa Aircraft
standard kit. The Rotax engine powers most Europas world wide and has prove
d
to be very reliable.=C2- This last comment cannot be said for certain oth
er
Engines.
If you have need for any further communication then please ask.
Best regards and good wishes for your very commendable project
Pete Jeffers=C2- (LAA Inspector for the Europa Club)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Idea
Innovations
Sent: 05 August 2015 17:32
Subject: Europa-List: Help Needed
--> <idea.innovations@live.com>
Good Morning Everyone on the Europa List
The Camden Youth Aviation Program has recently acquired a partially
completed mono-wheel Europa kit which it will be building with with the
middle and high school students of LEAP Academy
(http://www.leapacademycharter.org/).Once built it is our hope that the
young people who helped to build the aircraft would be able to take flight
lessons in the aircraft.
We are looking for volunteers in the Camden, NJ, Greater Philadelphia and
Wilmington, DE areas who have experience building the Europa to help lead
this project and to work with our young people.=C2- We are also hoping th
at
builders who have completed their aircraft would consider donating their no
longer needed tools to us.
The Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to show the young people of Camden
and Southern NJ all aspects of aviation and that there is more to life than
what they see in their neighborhoods.=C2- Also by introducing them to avi
ation,
we are hoping to give them something to dream about and to inspire them to
rise above the limits of their environment.=C2- The program is open to al
l
Camden and Southern NJ youth who are interested in aviation.=C2- Particip
ation
in the Camden Youth Aviation Program is not limited to any one group or
organization, but welcomes all young people who are interested in aviation.
Additionally, the Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to act as a resource
to schools and youth groups to make them aware of the educational aviation
resources that are available to them. The Camden Youth Aviation Program was
established under the auspices of the former Camden Police Foundation and
the Diocese of Camden's Community Relations Advisory Board.=C2- The Camde
n
Youth Aviation Pr!
ogram is incorporated as a Non-Profit Corporation in the State of NJ and i
s
a certified 501(c)3 non-profit charity.=C2- More information about the Ca
mden
Youth Aviation Program can be found on the Camden Youth Aviation Program
Facebook page and on our website at www.Camdenyap.org.
Please contact me if you have any questions about the post or if you are
willing to help us in any fashion to give inner city and under-served youth
the Dream of Flight.
I can be reached off list at camdenyouthaviation@live.com or via phone at
856-354-0173.
Thank You for your time and interest.
Sincerely,
Ira Weissman
Co-Founder, Camden Youth Aviation Program
--------
Giving The Youth Of Camden And Southern New Jersey The Dream Of Flight
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=C2-Hi Pete
Looks like you are having a bit of a "Jab" but at "who"
;-)
the other one=C2-Sent to you=C2-by David Joyce
www.eastmidsspas.com=C2- =C2-PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW ATTh
e Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS160 Meters from S
ainsbury's Island=C2-Same Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 6757
55
=C2-
On Thursday, 6 August 2015, 10:27, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@b
tinternet.com> wrote:
Very well explained Pete, I agree with every word.Graham
On Thursday, 6 August 2015, 9:26, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net
> wrote:
Hi,
I have built a mono Europa from scratch and then flew it for some 1,800 hrs
.
I had previously flown many types of gliders and light aircraft, amassing
about 700 hrs power and 1,500 hrs gliding. I was a fully categorised glidin
g
instructor and have spent 10 yrs as a class rated power instructor for the
Light Aero Association in the UK.
I only mention the above so that you have some idea of the validity of what
I am about to say.
The Mono Europa is not an easy aircraft to land or take off safely. In the
hands of an 'above average experience' pilot with tail dragger hours the
Mono is a delight to fly but challenging. The Mono is definitely not
suitable for early training. Be careful also as I am led to believe that
getting insurance cover for a Mono in the USA is between difficult and
impossible.
Bearing in mind that you appear to already have the kit I would strongly
urge you to consider building it as a Tri-Gear. Unfortunately this would
involve you in some more expense, but it is a much more user friendly
aircraft to fly.
If you continue to build as a Mono then it is only a matter of time, after
completion, before an incident will occur and whoever was flying it will be
put off flying for life.
One last recommendation is to power the aircraft with the engine it was
designed for, ie Rotax 912 or 914.=C2- Many alternative engines have been
installed in the past but each requires a different 'fire wall forward' kit
.
Only the Rotax series of engines can be fitted with the Europa Aircraft
standard kit. The Rotax engine powers most Europas world wide and has prove
d
to be very reliable.=C2- This last comment cannot be said for certain oth
er
Engines.
If you have need for any further communication then please ask.
Best regards and good wishes for your very commendable project
Pete Jeffers=C2- (LAA Inspector for the Europa Club)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Idea
Innovations
Sent: 05 August 2015 17:32
Subject: Europa-List: Help Needed
--> <idea.innovations@live.com>
Good Morning Everyone on the Europa List
The Camden Youth Aviation Program has recently acquired a partially
completed mono-wheel Europa kit which it will be building with with the
middle and high school students of LEAP Academy
(http://www.leapacademycharter.org/).Once built it is our hope that the
young people who helped to build the aircraft would be able to take flight
lessons in the aircraft.
We are looking for volunteers in the Camden, NJ, Greater Philadelphia and
Wilmington, DE areas who have experience building the Europa to help lead
this project and to work with our young people.=C2- We are also hoping th
at
builders who have completed their aircraft would consider donating their no
longer needed tools to us.
The Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to show the young people of Camden
and Southern NJ all aspects of aviation and that there is more to life than
what they see in their neighborhoods.=C2- Also by introducing them to avi
ation,
we are hoping to give them something to dream about and to inspire them to
rise above the limits of their environment.=C2- The program is open to al
l
Camden and Southern NJ youth who are interested in aviation.=C2- Particip
ation
in the Camden Youth Aviation Program is not limited to any one group or
organization, but welcomes all young people who are interested in aviation.
Additionally, the Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to act as a resource
to schools and youth groups to make them aware of the educational aviation
resources that are available to them. The Camden Youth Aviation Program was
established under the auspices of the former Camden Police Foundation and
the Diocese of Camden's Community Relations Advisory Board.=C2- The Camde
n
Youth Aviation Pr!
ogram is incorporated as a Non-Profit Corporation in the State of NJ and i
s
a certified 501(c)3 non-profit charity.=C2- More information about the Ca
mden
Youth Aviation Program can be found on the Camden Youth Aviation Program
Facebook page and on our website at www.Camdenyap.org.
Please contact me if you have any questions about the post or if you are
willing to help us in any fashion to give inner city and under-served youth
the Dream of Flight.
I can be reached off list at camdenyouthaviation@live.com or via phone at
856-354-0173.
Thank You for your time and interest.
Sincerely,
Ira Weissman
Co-Founder, Camden Youth Aviation Program
--------
Giving The Youth Of Camden And Southern New Jersey The Dream Of Flight
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445613#445613
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I guess I am not allowed to mention names am I. You can probably guess
though.
Pete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAVID JOYCE
Sent: 06 August 2015 10:32
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Help Needed
Hi Pete
Looks like you are having a bit of a "Jab" but at "who"
;-)
the other one
Sent to you by David Joyce
<http://www.eastmidsspas.com/> www.eastmidsspas.com
PLEASE NOTE WE HAVE MOVED AND ARE NOW AT
The Zycomm Building 51 Nottingham Road Ripley Derbys DE5 3AS
160 Meters from Sainsbury's Island
Same Phone 0800 4102122 and Direct Mobile 07973 675755
On Thursday, 6 August 2015, 10:27, GRAHAM SINGLETON
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> wrote:
Very well explained Pete, I agree with every word.
Graham
On Thursday, 6 August 2015, 9:26, Peter Jeffers <pjeffers@talktalk.net>
wrote:
<pjeffers@talktalk.net>
Hi,
I have built a mono Europa from scratch and then flew it for some 1,800
hrs.
I had previously flown many types of gliders and light aircraft,
amassing
about 700 hrs power and 1,500 hrs gliding. I was a fully categorised
gliding
instructor and have spent 10 yrs as a class rated power instructor for
the
Light Aero Association in the UK.
I only mention the above so that you have some idea of the validity of
what
I am about to say.
The Mono Europa is not an easy aircraft to land or take off safely. In
the
hands of an 'above average experience' pilot with tail dragger hours the
Mono is a delight to fly but challenging. The Mono is definitely not
suitable for early training. Be careful also as I am led to believe that
getting insurance cover for a Mono in the USA is between difficult and
impossible.
Bearing in mind that you appear to already have the kit I would strongly
urge you to consider building it as a Tri-Gear. Unfortunately this would
involve you in some more expense, but it is a much more user friendly
aircraft to fly.
If you continue to build as a Mono then it is only a matter of time,
after
completion, before an incident will occur and whoever was flying it will
be
put off flying for life.
One last recommendation is to power the aircraft with the engine it was
designed for, ie Rotax 912 or 914. Many alternative engines have been
installed in the past but each requires a different 'fire wall forward'
kit.
Only the Rotax series of engines can be fitted with the Europa Aircraft
standard kit. The Rotax engine powers most Europas world wide and has
proved
to be very reliable. This last comment cannot be said for certain other
Engines.
If you have need for any further communication then please ask.
Best regards and good wishes for your very commendable project
Pete Jeffers (LAA Inspector for the Europa Club)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Idea
Innovations
Sent: 05 August 2015 17:32
Subject: Europa-List: Help Needed
--> <idea.innovations@live.com>
Good Morning Everyone on the Europa List
The Camden Youth Aviation Program has recently acquired a partially
completed mono-wheel Europa kit which it will be building with with the
middle and high school students of LEAP Academy
(http://www.leapacademycharter.org/).Once built it is our hope that the
young people who helped to build the aircraft would be able to take
flight
lessons in the aircraft.
We are looking for volunteers in the Camden, NJ, Greater Philadelphia
and
Wilmington, DE areas who have experience building the Europa to help
lead
this project and to work with our young people. We are also hoping that
builders who have completed their aircraft would consider donating their
no
longer needed tools to us.
The Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to show the young people of
Camden
and Southern NJ all aspects of aviation and that there is more to life
than
what they see in their neighborhoods. Also by introducing them to
aviation,
we are hoping to give them something to dream about and to inspire them
to
rise above the limits of their environment. The program is open to all
Camden and Southern NJ youth who are interested in aviation.
Participation
in the Camden Youth Aviation Program is not limited to any one group or
organization, but welcomes all young people who are interested in
aviation.
Additionally, the Camden Youth Aviation Program tries to act as a
resource
to schools and youth groups to make them aware of the educational
aviation
resources that are available to them. The Camden Youth Aviation Program
was
established under the auspices of the former Camden Police Foundation
and
the Diocese of Camden's Community Relations Advisory Board. The Camden
Youth Aviation Pr!
ogram is incorporated as a Non-Profit Corporation in the State of NJ and
is
a certified 501(c)3 non-profit charity. More information about the
Camden
Youth Aviation Program can be found on the Camden Youth Aviation Program
Facebook page and on our website at www.Camdenyap.org.
Please contact me if you have any questions about the post or if you are
willing to help us in any fashion to give inner city and under-served
youth
the Dream of Flight.
I can be reached off list at camdenyouthaviation@live.com or via phone
at
856-354-0173.
Thank You for your time and interest.
Sincerely,
Ira Weissman
Co-Founder, Camden Youth Aviation Program
--------
Giving The Youth Of Camden And Southern New Jersey The Dream Of Flight
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| Subject: | Mono/Tri-Gear, height differences |
Hi All,
I am trying to find some information on a specific height difference between the
Mono and the Tri-gear. I am assuming on the Europa website the given height
will be to the highest point, which is both cases is the top of the tail.
What I am interested in is the height to the highest point between the doors, i.e.
the top of the cockpit.
In my hanger my Europa (Mono) lives under the wing of Cessna, and I can push the
my tail past the its wing tip easily. There is loads of space between the wing
tip of the Cessna and the top of my cockpit.
I am wondering if a Tri-gear would fit underneath also.
Cheers
Jon
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Bill, Just went through this exercise. I was able to find the Rotax sen
sor, just not willing to spend $150 + for what should be a $25 part. I
ended up purchasing VDO 323-801-010-003K which is threaded for 12mm hole
. All other specifications are essentially the same as Rotax part. Usi
ng a lathe I turned down the threads and rethreaded for 10mm. Works gre
at. Regards,ErichClassic Mono 914 Time: 05:56:09 AM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Re: cht sensors
From: "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
Bill,
These do not seem to be available any longer. Perhaps someone will have
a spare
you can purchase.
If not, there are other VDO sensors with the same internals but differen
t threads.
You could purchase one of those that is a larger diameter and machine th
e
threads.
Jim Butcher
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