---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/10/15: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:18 AM - Re: Fly out Caernarfon Sat 8 Aug (James Kelly) 2. 01:25 AM - Re: cht sensors (Nigel Graham) 3. 01:38 AM - Tail wheel stop (JohnFrance) 4. 01:39 AM - Re: Fly out Caernarfon Sat 8 Aug (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 5. 01:50 AM - Re: Fly out Caernarfon Sat 8 Aug (david park) 6. 03:53 AM - Rotax 914-UL (flyingphil2) 7. 04:57 AM - Re: Rotax 914-UL (jonathanmilbank) 8. 05:22 AM - Re: Rotax 914-UL (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 9. 05:41 AM - Re: Tail wheel stop (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 10. 05:52 AM - Re: Radiator duct and cooling (Neville Eyre) 11. 06:41 AM - Re: Rotax 914-UL (Robert Borger) 12. 06:59 AM - Re: Rotax 914-UL (Bud Yerly) 13. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: tri gear kit for sale (Fred Klein) 14. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: tri gear kit for sale (Duanefamly) 15. 09:22 AM - aluminium avionics panels (JohnFrance) 16. 09:57 AM - Re: aluminium avionics panels (Rowland Carson) 17. 10:11 AM - Re: aluminium avionics panels (Pete) 18. 11:31 AM - Trigear main wheel hub (Richard Wheelwright) 19. 02:10 PM - RE : aluminium avionics panels (mau11) 20. 10:00 PM - Re: aluminium avionics panels (Roland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly out Caernarfon Sat 8 Aug From: James Kelly Hi David, I decided to fly to Caernarfon after all. I expected an awkward cross wind on my return to Tatenhill so I elected to use a disused R/W 22 instead of 26, all went well. This was my furthest solo flight I was delighted to meet a few Europa members. I hope To attend more meetings in the future. I was disappointed that you couldn't attend I was looking forward to meeting you. Best wishes Jim Kelly G-BWEG On Wednesday, August 5, 2015, wrote: > Just a reminder that we have a joint Europa Club/Gloster Strut fly out to > Caernarfon this Saturday. The forecast is currently looking very good, with > a bit of high pressure, clear skies and modest winds. Briefing sheet > attached Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:48 AM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: cht sensors That's an ingenious solution Erich, but VDO offer their sensors in a range of thread sizes (including 10 mm). I've attached their catalogue for a bit of night-time reading. A quick search shows that they are also available in Europe for around E25. I never cease to be amused by Rotax's adventurous pricing. Nigel On 06/08/2015 21:07, Erich Trombley wrote: > Bill, > Just went through this exercise. I was able to find the Rotax sensor, > just not willing to spend $150 + for what should be a $25 part. I > ended up purchasing VDO 323-801-010-003K which is threaded for 12mm > hole. All other specifications are essentially the same as Rotax > part. Using a lathe I turned down the threads and rethreaded for > 10mm. Works great. > Regards, > Erich > Classic Mono 914 > Time: 05:56:09 AM PST US > Subject: Europa-List: Re: cht sensors > From: "h&jeuropa" > > > > Bill, > > These do not seem to be available any longer. Perhaps someone will > have a spare > you can purchase. > > If not, there are other VDO sensors with the same internals but > different threads. > You could purchase one of those that is a larger diameter and machine the > threads. > > Jim Butcher > > > ____________________________________________________________ > *Old School Yearbook Pics* > View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! > classmates.com > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel stop From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com> Hello to all, Does anyone have a plan of the tail-wheel stop that bolts onto the Tail Wheel Fork XTW 07 to avoid damaging the cables and rudder horns if the aircraft is pushed backwards? If someone can send me a copy I would appreciate it. Regards John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445757#445757 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:15 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly out Caernarfon Sat 8 Aug Jim, Well done & sorry my turbo picked that moment for its waste gate to jam fully open. We actually fixed it and flew up to arrive at Caernarfon a bit gone 3.00pm but decided it was a bit late to land. Will hope to see you at the Rally if not before. Regards, David On 2015-08-10 09:17, James Kelly wrote: > Hi David, > I decided to fly to Caernarfon after all. I expected an awkward cross wind on my return to Tatenhill so I elected to use a disused R/W 22 instead of 26, all went well. > > This was my furthest solo flight I was delighted to meet a few Europa members. I hope To attend more meetings in the future. I was disappointed that you couldn't attend I was looking forward to meeting you. > > Best wishes > Jim Kelly > G-BWEG > > On Wednesday, August 5, 2015, wrote: > >> Just a reminder that we have a joint Europa Club/Gloster Strut fly out to Caernarfon this Saturday. The forecast is currently looking very good, with a bit of high pressure, clear skies and modest winds. Briefing sheet attached Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ > Links: ------ [1] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [2] http://forums.matronics.com [3] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly out Caernarfon Sat 8 Aug From: david park Hi Steve, Catch at the next one! Dave Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Aug 2015, at 07:14, Steven Pitt wrote: > > Dave, > Good to see you at Caernarfon if only in passing. I take it you did not co unt the Liberty amongst the Europas present!! ;-) > Sorry that our (events) leader was unable to attend due to a broken turbo - hope you managed to get it fixed David. > Excellent day out and great to have an opportunity to fly in the Liberty a nd compare the two stable mates - thanks Ray. > Best wishes and here is to more Doths in the months to come. > Steve Pitt > G-SMDH (still in the workshop but getting there) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: david park > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fly out Caernarfon Sat 8 Aug > > Perfect Wx for Caernarfon, nice trip from Sleap but had to leave early to v isit family member in hospital. > 4 Europas there. > Regards Dave Park > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On 5 Aug 2015, at 11:09, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: >> >> Just a reminder that we have a joint Europa Club/Gloster Strut fly out to Caernarfon this Saturday. 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Briefing sheet attach ed Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"'>http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.co m/contribution > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:53 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914-UL From: "flyingphil2" Hi, This is not a Europa related question as such but there are a fair few Europa owners with a Rotax 914-UL. Does anyone with a 914 have anything really good or bad to say about the engine? Are the running / maintenance costs greatly different to a 912-ULS? Does it use mogas or avgas just as well? Are there any horror stories related to it or is it just as good as the 912 but with an extra boost when you need it? Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445760#445760 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rotax 914-UL From: "jonathanmilbank" I was invited to do the flight testing for the initial issue of a UK permit in a friend's mono- a few years ago and thereafter sat with him for several hours while he became familiar with his aircraft. Apart from that we've done several other flights together, both near and far. He's also done quite a bit of flying on his own, seemingly without any trouble. Well, there was one occasion when an EGT probe needed replacing but that was easy enough to sort out. Compared with my 100hp 912ULS, the performance is quite exhilarating during take-off, so much so that during my first fast taxi runs it actually got airborne around 40 kts (below stall) which took me by surprise. Andy Draper informed me (and I'm ready to be corrected if memory is failing me) that the stronger propeller wash generates enough additional lift at the wing roots to cause this effect. Anyway it definitely happened, so I often didn't bother to put the throttle through the gate during take-off, using only 100hp and saving the extra 15hp for flying when carrying a passenger. Climb rate when fully laden is in the order of 1400'/min with full power, which goes to show that the turbo certainly delivers. The new 915is would be fun to experience. Because we used only unleaded mogas, I never got to see the benefits of the turbo at altitude, but then again I've been a professional helicopter pilot for over 40 years and get nose-bleeds and the jitters much above 1000'. All the limited heroism I ever had got used up when I was learning to fly in military Harvards (AT6 Texans) when I was 18. Climbing to 10000' to do spins seemed a waste of flying time which could have been better spent enjoying the scenery from much closer to Mother Earth. The basic 914 weighs 16 lbs more than the basic 912ULS. In level flight I recall part of the initial test flying required Wide Open Throttle for a short dash and my friend's mono- Europa hit Vne 165 knots easily enough. So, there are noticeable performance benefits if you want them. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445762#445762 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:13 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914-UL Phil, The turbo wastegate is a definite minus point although versions more modern than mine now have a lubrication point in the shaft which should limit the tendency to get stuck. Otherwise it clearly has the extra power for getting out of tight spots, but the best aspect of it is that it offers 100% power up to 17,000ft and stays just as efficient as you climb whilst normally aspirated engines run out of puff. I can do 150kts TAS (130kts IAS) at 10k burning around 21l/hr, which I suspect is beyond 912/S capabilities. It will use Mogas, UL91 or Avgas, but I try to avoid the latter as every 91X engine should. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2015-08-10 11:53, flyingphil2 wrote: > > Hi, > > This is not a Europa related question as such but there are a fair few Europa owners with a Rotax 914-UL. > > Does anyone with a 914 have anything really good or bad to say about the engine? Are the running / maintenance costs greatly different to a 912-ULS? Does it use mogas or avgas just as well? Are there any horror stories related to it or is it just as good as the 912 but with an extra boost when you need it? > > Thanks, > > Phil > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445760#445760 [1] > Links: ------ [1] http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445760#445760 [2] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [3] http://forums.matronics.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail wheel stop From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi John I fabricated one out of 7000 Aluminium: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27732 Side note is I didn't like the binding/grinding that was going on because of the cable angles so turned some conical spacers that work great. Info contained on the same link. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:52 AM PST US From: Neville Eyre Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radiator duct and cooling Hi Will, sounds like you need to move the duct forward, there should be something like a 1''+ gap between the rear [ 45 degree ] corner of the duct and the bottom of the S/S firewall. Limiting factor is the coolant hoses to the rad' getting too close to the exhaust, they will need lagging in firesleeve and reflective foil oversleeve, [ good thing to do anyway]. Cutting holes in the ''roof'' will only make things worse, the high pressure air in the duct will go up into the cowl and make a bad job worse. Not very much air gets through the inlets as supplied, Bud's mod's to the cowl set up would be the way to go if you intend to operate in warmer climates. We [Bud and I ] came to the same conclusion at the same time, 3000 miles apart, which is one of the reasons I did my own cowls / FWF Kit. There are pictures of my cowls / baffles on this site somewhere, someone more ''techie'' might be able to direct you to them ? Cheers, Nev -----Original Message----- From: William Daniell Sent: Sat, Aug 8, 2015 10:42 pm Subject: Europa-List: Radiator duct and cooling I fitted my rad duct and the radiators and its all fine. Cowling fits as well.. However the roof of the duct is pretty much up against the firewall. I am assuming that i need to open the roof of the duct to provide an exit for the air which comes in through the two round holes in the cowling. Is this correct? Also I seem to remember that there is a ratio between inlet and cooling air exhaust. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks Will ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914-UL From: Robert Borger Phil, I only have good to say for my 914UL. Except for some overtightened carb bowls (old torque specs) it has proven to be virtually trouble free. It pulls my Tri off the ground quickly, very brisk acceleration, climb out at 1400 fpm. At 6500=92, 29=94 MP, 5000 RPM provides 138 kts true and 3.9 gph. I=92m sure the Airmaster C/S prop helps with all these. I use 100LL exclusively as MoGas is not available on any of the airfields from which I operate regularly and I don=92t like carting around big jugs of MoGas. Just means I have to change the oil more frequently and watch the lower plugs for fouling. Alcor TCP or Decalin RunUp seem to help on those lead issues. I can=92t imagine what the Europa would do with the new 915. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com > On Aug 10, 2015, at 4:53 AM, flyingphil2 wrote: > > > Hi, > > This is not a Europa related question as such but there are a fair few Europa owners with a Rotax 914-UL. > > Does anyone with a 914 have anything really good or bad to say about the engine? Are the running / maintenance costs greatly different to a 912-ULS? Does it use mogas or avgas just as well? Are there any horror stories related to it or is it just as good as the 912 but with an extra boost when you need it? > > Thanks, > > Phil ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914-UL From: Bud Yerly David and Phil give excellent differences. Here is what I tell my clients: 912S is a reasonable price=2C easy to maintain and easy to service. It is shaky on start and stop so cracks in the exhaust should be watched cl osely. Takeoff is not spectacular=2C but ROC is about 500 FPM. TO Roll is 600-700 feet and initial climb is 800 ish with a constant speed prop. Being normally aspirated=2C the Bing carbs don't lean well above 3500 MSL. Normal cruise at 5500 MSL yields about 125-130 KTAS at 5.5GPH. If you plan flight ops below 10K (5500-7500) it is adequate and can yield 2 5-28 NM/GAL Runs on 90 octane auto fuel without a hitch. It gives the most bang for the buck for the Rotax series. Whereas: The 914 is nearly twice the price. Troubleshooting is more time consuming and many of us have studied the syst ems but easy diagnosis is still time consuming. Pressurized carbs require careful assembly and attention to leaks. New TCU units can be electronically monitored and analyzed with DOS 8 compu ter emulators ONLY. Wastegates normally require lube (although AV gas seems to keep mine lubed) Requires high octane in hot climates=2C at least 92-93. (I use 100LL) However: When combined with a constant speed propeller (more cost)=2C it is a terrif ic performance altering addition to the Europa. Takeoff roll is 550-600 feet at 45 KIAS fully loaded. (Ground static thrust of 500 pounds.) You scarcely have time to check the engine instruments bef ore you are at takeoff speed. Initial ROC 1500. In tests=2C my lowly TRIGEAR climbs at max continuous power at an average o f 700 FPM to 10=2C000 MSL at 90 KIAS fully loaded and some. Most efficient cruise MPG seems to be 7500-10=2C000 MSL. I flight plan 1.5 GAL and 18 NM to get to altitude. It exceeds 140 knots easily at 1000 MSL at max continuous power. Cruising at 9.5-10.5K=2C I make 140 KTAS at 5.5 all day. Slow down a bit a nd I can easily get 28-30 NM/GAL. Higher cruise altitude does not increase range significantly unless equippe d with a long range tank and lightly built. When you have to get over the weather quickly as I do=2C the 914 does it be tter=2C and more reliable than any other engine out there. The airplane is 20=2C000 compromises flying in close formation=2C the choic es are yours. Best Regards=2C Bud Yerly Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Aug 10=2C 2015 6:58 AM=2C flyingphil2 wrote: @yahoo.co.uk> Hi=2C This is not a Europa related question as such but there are a fair few Euro pa owners with a Rotax 914-UL. Does anyone with a 914 have anything really good or bad to say about the en gine? Are the running / maintenance costs greatly different to a 912-ULS? Does it use mogas or avgas just as well? Are there any horror stories rel ated to it or is it just as good as the 912 but with an extra boost when yo u need it? Thanks=2C Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445760#445760 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: tri gear kit for sale From: Fred Klein Danby all means, consider Bob Berubes conventional gearits not an arduous conversion to make, and results in a rather elegant aircraft IMOFred > On Aug 9, 2015, at 10:53 PM, danbish99 wrote: > > > Hi Howard- - was thinking of selling my project due to not being able to get insurance on a monowheel here in the states. I love the dang monowheel and can't imagine going tri but it's either that or quit altogether. How much is the tri kit? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445751#445751 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: tri gear kit for sale From: Duanefamly Have you thought about conventional gear? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2015, at 10:53 PM, danbish99 wrote: > > > Hi Howard- - was thinking of selling my project due to not being able to get insurance on a monowheel here in the states. I love the dang monowheel and can't imagine going tri but it's either that or quit altogether. How much is the tri kit? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445751#445751 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: aluminium avionics panels From: "JohnFrance" <77alembert@gmail.com> Hello, I am looking to upgrade my avionics panel using the aluminium IM04 and IM05! panels. Does anyone have a plan of their profiles in (any format, dxf, solid works or pdf) that I can use to refine the layout please? hole cut-outs, shapes and sizes for all Europa switches, trim indicator etc would also be useful. While I am at it, my present thinking is to use a Trig TY 91 radio and a Trig TT21 transponder and include a mount for a mini Ipad, but not flush fitting as I find it useful to be able to orientate the screen according to light direction and intensity. If anyone has experience installing these components, especially where and how to install the electronic boxes for TT21 and TY 91 I would appreciate your feedback. Regards John -------- Europa mono Nr 192 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445775#445775 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: aluminium avionics panels From: Rowland Carson On 10 Aug 2015, at 17:21, JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, I am looking to upgrade my avionics panel using the aluminium IM04 and IM05! panels. Does anyone have a plan of their profiles in (any format, dxf, solid works or pdf) that I can use to refine the layout please? hole cut-outs, shapes and sizes for all Europa switches, trim indicator etc would also be useful. > > While I am at it, my present thinking is to use a Trig TY 91 radio and a Trig TT21 transponder and include a mount for a mini Ipad, but not flush fitting as I find it useful to be able to orientate the screen according to light direction and intensity. > If anyone has experience installing these components, especially where and how to install the electronic boxes for TT21 and TY 91 I would appreciate your feedback. John - have a look at: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/radio_panel_trial_fit_2.php http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/panels_anodized.php http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/conduit_route.php I used the factory-supplied radio blank panel and had it water-jet cut to my .DXF file, then after anodising had it laser-etched by another firm. More details available on my journal - use the search facility! Or come back to me direct if you cant find what youre looking for. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:51 AM PST US From: Pete Subject: Re: Europa-List: aluminium avionics panels I can't help with locating the boxes, but can chime in with a super endorsement of the trig kit..... Awesome solid radios that not even my shaky hummelbird could do damage to. In my tiny bird I mounted them behind my seat bulkHead (the only feasible spot) which had the benefit of very short rf cable runs. I'm always 5x5. For sure I will add a set (or at least the head units) to my Europa pile of parts getting into formation. Cheers, Pete A239 > On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:21 PM, JohnFrance <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, I am looking to upgrade my avionics panel using the aluminium IM04 and IM05! panels. Does anyone have a plan of their profiles in (any format, dxf, solid works or pdf) that I can use to refine the layout please? hole cut-outs, shapes and sizes for all Europa switches, trim indicator etc would also be useful. > > While I am at it, my present thinking is to use a Trig TY 91 radio and a Trig TT21 transponder and include a mount for a mini Ipad, but not flush fitting as I find it useful to be able to orientate the screen according to light direction and intensity. > If anyone has experience installing these components, especially where and how to install the electronic boxes for TT21 and TY 91 I would appreciate your feedback. > > Regards > > John > > -------- > Europa mono Nr 192 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445775#445775 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:31:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Trigear main wheel hub From: "Richard Wheelwright" Not shure any one can help ??? I'm looking for a spare Trigear main wheel hub in serviceable condition to be used as a spare for my aircraft. I know its a long shot but I may be lucky. Thank You Richard -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW First Flight 24th July 2013 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445785#445785 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:01 PM PST US Subject: RE : Europa-List: aluminium avionics panels From: mau11 CiAgICAKSGVsbG8gam9obiwgaidhaSB0b3V0IGNlIGRvbnQgdHUgYXMgYmVzw7RpbiwgYnV0ZWUg YWx1bWluaXVtZGUgcm91bGV0dGUgZGUgcXVldWUsIHBsYW5zIGRlcyBwYW5lbHMgZHhmLCBkd2cs c3RlcCwgb3UgYXV0cmUgamUgcmVudHJlIGRlcyBVU0EgbGUgMjMgYW91dC4gUG91ciBsZXMgcGFu ZWxzIGlsIG5lIGZhdXQgcGFzIHByZW5kcmUgZGUgbCdhbHUgdHJvcCB0ZW5kcmUgcXVpIHNlIHJh eWUgZXQgc2UgbWFycXVlIHRyb3AgZmFjaWxlbWVudCBtYWlzIGR1IGR1cmFsIDIwMTcgZW4gMSw1 IGEgMm1tIGVwYWlzc2V1ciBxdWkgZXN0IGR1ciBqJ2F2YWlzIGZhaXQgZGVjb3VwZXIgbGVzIG1p ZW5zIGF1IGpldCBkJ2VhdSBjJ2VzdCB0cmVzIHByZWNpcyBldCB0cmVzIHByb3ByZS7CoEErwqBN aWNoZWxBdXZyYXkKCgoKRW52b3nDqSBkZXB1aXMgbW9uIGFwcGFyZWlsIG1vYmlsZSBTYW1zdW5n LgoKLS0tLS0tLS0gTWVzc2FnZSBkJ29yaWdpbmUgLS0tLS0tLS0KRGUgOiBKb2huRnJhbmNlIDw3 N2FsZW1iZXJ0QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gCkRhdGUgOiAxMC8wOC8yMDE1ICAxNjoyMSAgKEdNVCswMDow MCkgCsOAIDogZXVyb3BhLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSAKT2JqZXQgOiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdDog YWx1bWluaXVtIGF2aW9uaWNzIHBhbmVscyAKCi0tPiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3Rl ZCBieTogIkpvaG5GcmFuY2UiIDw3N2FsZW1iZXJ0QGdtYWlsLmNvbT4KCkhlbGxvLCBJIGFtIGxv b2tpbmcgdG8gdXBncmFkZSBteSBhdmlvbmljcyBwYW5lbCB1c2luZyB0aGUgYWx1bWluaXVtIElN MDQgYW5kIElNMDUhIHBhbmVscy4gRG9lcyBhbnlvbmUgaGF2ZSBhIHBsYW4gb2YgdGhlaXIgcHJv ZmlsZXMgaW4gKGFueSBmb3JtYXQsIGR4Ziwgc29saWQgd29ya3Mgb3IgcGRmKSB0aGF0IEkgY2Fu IHVzZSB0byByZWZpbmUgdGhlIGxheW91dCBwbGVhc2U/IGhvbGUgY3V0LW91dHMsIHNoYXBlcyBh bmQgc2l6ZXMgZm9yIGFsbCBFdXJvcGEgc3dpdGNoZXMsIHRyaW0gaW5kaWNhdG9yIGV0YyB3b3Vs ZCBhbHNvIGJlIHVzZWZ1bC4KCldoaWxlIEkgYW0gYXQgaXQsIG15IHByZXNlbnQgdGhpbmtpbmcg aXMgdG8gdXNlIGEgVHJpZyBUWSA5MSByYWRpbyBhbmQgYSBUcmlnIFRUMjEgdHJhbnNwb25kZXIg YW5kIGluY2x1ZGUgYSBtb3VudCBmb3IgYSBtaW5pIElwYWQsIGJ1dCBub3QgZmx1c2ggZml0dGlu ZyBhcyBJIGZpbmQgaXQgdXNlZnVsIHRvIGJlIGFibGUgdG8gb3JpZW50YXRlIHRoZSBzY3JlZW4g YWNjb3JkaW5nIHRvIGxpZ2h0IGRpcmVjdGlvbiBhbmQgaW50ZW5zaXR5LgpJZiBhbnlvbmUgaGFz IGV4cGVyaWVuY2UgaW5zdGFsbGluZyB0aGVzZSBjb21wb25lbnRzLCBlc3BlY2lhbGx5IHdoZXJl IGFuZCBob3cgdG8gaW5zdGFsbCB0aGUgZWxlY3Ryb25pYyBib3hlcyBmb3IgVFQyMSBhbmQgVFkg OTEgSSB3b3VsZCBhcHByZWNpYXRlIHlvdXIgZmVlZGJhY2suCgpSZWdhcmRzCgpKb2huCgotLS0t LS0tLQpFdXJvcGEgbW9ubyBOciAxOTIKCgoKClJlYWQgdGhpcyB0b3BpYyBvbmxpbmUgaGVyZToK Cmh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP3A9NDQ1Nzc1IzQ0NTc3 NQoKCgoKCgoKXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC0gVGhlIEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0IEVt YWlsIEZvcnVtIC0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9y IHRvIGJyb3dzZQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1 YnNjcmlwdGlvbiwKXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwg Q2hhdCwgRkFRLApfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOgpfLT0KXy09wqDC oCAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9FdXJvcGEtTGlzdApfLT0K Xy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT0KXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCAtIE1BVFJPTklDUyBXRUIgRk9S VU1TIC0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBG b3J1bXMhCl8tPQpfLT3CoMKgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20KXy09Cl8t PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09Cl8tPcKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoCAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBT aXRlIC0KXy09wqAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhCl8tPcKgwqDC oMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLU1h dHQgRHJhbGxlLCBMaXN0IEFkbWluLgpfLT3CoMKgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5j b20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09CgoKCg= ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:30 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: aluminium avionics panels From: "Roland" Hi John, I have made a whole new panel, however it's not "LAA-certified". I could arrange a new kit (upper GFK-cover and Aluminium-panels/3 sections) for you at the shop in the Netherlands if you are interested. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=445804#445804 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/021_433_113.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.