Today's Message Index:
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1. 09:38 AM - Mogas from the garage. (Alan Carter)
2. 09:56 AM - Electrics on a Europa. (Alan Carter)
3. 09:58 AM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Pete Lawless)
4. 10:22 AM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Alan Carter)
5. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Mogas from the garage. (Pete Lawless)
6. 12:09 PM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Brian Davies)
7. 12:56 PM - Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil (Wladimir Kummer)
8. 01:13 PM - Re: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil (Robert Borger)
9. 01:15 PM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Alan Carter)
10. 02:18 PM - Re: Electrics on a Europa. (pestar)
11. 02:53 PM - Re: Electrics on a Europa. (Robert Borger)
12. 03:50 PM - Re: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
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| Subject: | Mogas from the garage. |
Hello All.
This is just for UK Pilots.
Read in the LAA magazine to check the Ethanol content displayed at the garage petrol
pump.
Just the Octane rating is displayed, and the staff don,t know what Ethanol is.
Is it a legal requirement to display the Ethanol content on the forecourt pump,
and should the manager have the details of what is in his storage tanks. ????????????
Alan
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| Subject: | Electrics on a Europa. |
Hello ALL.
I have a problem,My charge rate is barley maintaining my battery.
Engine running 2000 rpms , MASTER SWITCH ON, All CBs pulled out, even number 1
fuel pump CB momentary pulled as its a 914 engine, voltmeter reads 12.1 volts,
so all the electrics are off as far as I know,?
Turn the MASTER SWITCH OFF, voltmeter jumps to 12.9 volts.
So something is happening when switching the Master on and off jumping for 12 to
12.9.
Any Comments as to what's the problem.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Mogas from the garage. |
Hi Alan
I asked the same question the other day in my local Shell garage - they
could not even tell me the BS number despite searching about in the
office paperwork!
This would suggest it is not a requirement or if it is the local trading
standards people don't realize it.
Regards
Pete
On 30/08/15 17:37, Alan Carter wrote:
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> Hello All.
> This is just for UK Pilots.
> Read in the LAA magazine to check the Ethanol content displayed at the garage
petrol pump.
> Just the Octane rating is displayed, and the staff don,t know what Ethanol is.
> Is it a legal requirement to display the Ethanol content on the forecourt pump,
and should the manager have the details of what is in his storage tanks. ????????????
>
> Alan
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446563#446563
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| Subject: | Re: Mogas from the garage. |
Hi Peter.
Is it or , is it not a legal requirement .
Lets hope the LAA Legal team know, maybe they should be phoning the trading standards
department.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Mogas from the garage. |
Alan
I was very surprised that the garage could not tell me what the BS
number was for the fuel they were selling. I had expected to find that
on the pump.
Pete
On 30/08/15 18:21, Alan Carter wrote:
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> Hi Peter.
> Is it or , is it not a legal requirement .
> Lets hope the LAA Legal team know, maybe they should be phoning the trading standards
department.
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> Alan
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Mogas from the garage. |
Alan, Although the revised version of BS EN228 (2012) allows up to 10%
ethanol in fuel the maximum currently being used is 5%. This is technically
described as E5 fuel but I have never seen it described as such in the UK.
Most suppliers use a brand name. If you buy either 95 RON or 97 RON (
much preferred for R912ULS) you will be OK. I have not looked at all pumps
but most have a label on them saying "EN228".. Most suppliers are reluctant
to tell the public how much ethanol is in any particular batch of fuel. The
AA say that there is no requirement to label fuels using up to 5% ethanol
but it is legal requirement to label E10 (10% ethanol) - when it is
introduced at some time in the future. So, no label = up to 5% ethanol.
If you are unsure you should carry out the water test as described in TL
2.26 which should give you an estimate of how much ethanol is in the fuel.
Personally I have never got this test to work reliably but...
I hope this helps. These are the reasons it has taken so long to get Mogas
with ethanol approved for our use.
Regards
Brian Davies
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Hello All.
This is just for UK Pilots.
Read in the LAA magazine to check the Ethanol content displayed at the
garage petrol pump.
Just the Octane rating is displayed, and the staff don,t know what Ethanol
is.
Is it a legal requirement to display the Ethanol content on the forecourt
pump, and should the manager have the details of what is in his storage
tanks. ????????????
Alan
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| Subject: | Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil |
Hello all,
I and a friend are building a couple of Europa MG kits in Brazil south. Maybe 2-3
year to completion.
Best
Wladimir Kummer
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| Subject: | Re: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil |
Wladimir,
Welcome to the Europa List. Best wishes on your construction projects. Don't
hesitate to ask for assistance. This is a group of fellow Europa builders ready
to provide help. Keep in touch with progress reports. Check into EuropaOwners.org
where you can see other Europa projects and post your own project photos
and commentary. Be sure to become involved with the Europa Club, theeuropacoub.org
for additional build resources.
Best regards,
Robert Borger, President
Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
(C) 817-992-1117
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> On Aug 30, 2015, at 13:55, Wladimir Kummer <wladimirkummer@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> I and a friend are building a couple of Europa MG kits in Brazil south. Maybe
2-3 year to completion.
>
> Best
>
> Wladimir Kummer
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| Subject: | Re: Mogas from the garage. |
Hi Brian.
Many thanks for the information, I have heard that 97 has no Ethanol,
Some time ago I did a test with a jar and some water, and did notice a difference
between the two, it appeared to confirm the 97 was Ethanol
free.
Regards
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Electrics on a Europa. |
At 2000rpm on my Rotax 914 there is insufficient output from the alternator to charge the battery. I use a Low Voltage Warning and Aux Battery Management Module from http://periheliondesign.com and the warning led kicks out well above 2000rpm.
Would not worry.
Cheers Peter
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Peter Armstrong
Auckland, New Zealand
DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me :) ).
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| Subject: | Re: Electrics on a Europa. |
Alan,
I doubt there=92s a problem. My alternator doesn=92t come on line till
I advance to about 2500 RPM. Drops off at about 2200 RPM when I retard
the throttle. As long as your low voltage light goes out well before
you reach cruise RPM and stays out during cruise I=92d say you=92re OK.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com <mailto:rlborger@mac.com>
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
wrote:
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<alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>
> Hello ALL.
> I have a problem,My charge rate is barley maintaining my battery.
> Engine running 2000 rpms , MASTER SWITCH ON, All CBs pulled out, even
number 1 fuel pump CB momentary pulled as its a 914 engine, voltmeter
reads 12.1 volts, so all the electrics are off as far as I know,?
>
> Turn the MASTER SWITCH OFF, voltmeter jumps to 12.9 volts.
> So something is happening when switching the Master on and off jumping
for 12 to 12.9.
>
> Any Comments as to what's the problem.
>
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil |
Hello Wladimir,Good to see you here, WelcomeGraham
On Sunday, 30 August 2015, 21:15, Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com> wro
te:
Wladimir,
Welcome to the Europa List.=C2- Best wishes on your construction projects
.=C2- Don't hesitate to ask for assistance.=C2- This is a group of fell
ow Europa builders ready to provide help.=C2- Keep in touch with progress
reports.=C2- Check into EuropaOwners.org where you can see other Europa
projects and post your own project photos and commentary.=C2- Be sure to
become involved with the Europa Club, theeuropacoub.org for additional buil
d resources.
Best regards,
Robert Borger, President
Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc.
Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
(C) 817-992-1117
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 30, 2015, at 13:55, Wladimir Kummer <wladimirkummer@gmail.com> wro
te:
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com>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I and a friend are building a couple of Europa MG kits in Brazil south. M
aybe 2-3 year to completion.
>
> Best
>
> Wladimir Kummer
>
>
>
>
>
>
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