---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/30/15: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:38 AM - Mogas from the garage. (Alan Carter) 2. 09:56 AM - Electrics on a Europa. (Alan Carter) 3. 09:58 AM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Pete Lawless) 4. 10:22 AM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Alan Carter) 5. 10:38 AM - Re: Re: Mogas from the garage. (Pete Lawless) 6. 12:09 PM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Brian Davies) 7. 12:56 PM - Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil (Wladimir Kummer) 8. 01:13 PM - Re: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil (Robert Borger) 9. 01:15 PM - Re: Mogas from the garage. (Alan Carter) 10. 02:18 PM - Re: Electrics on a Europa. (pestar) 11. 02:53 PM - Re: Electrics on a Europa. (Robert Borger) 12. 03:50 PM - Re: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil (GRAHAM SINGLETON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Mogas from the garage. From: "Alan Carter" Hello All. This is just for UK Pilots. Read in the LAA magazine to check the Ethanol content displayed at the garage petrol pump. Just the Octane rating is displayed, and the staff don,t know what Ethanol is. Is it a legal requirement to display the Ethanol content on the forecourt pump, and should the manager have the details of what is in his storage tanks. ???????????? Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446563#446563 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:16 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Electrics on a Europa. From: "Alan Carter" Hello ALL. I have a problem,My charge rate is barley maintaining my battery. Engine running 2000 rpms , MASTER SWITCH ON, All CBs pulled out, even number 1 fuel pump CB momentary pulled as its a 914 engine, voltmeter reads 12.1 volts, so all the electrics are off as far as I know,? Turn the MASTER SWITCH OFF, voltmeter jumps to 12.9 volts. So something is happening when switching the Master on and off jumping for 12 to 12.9. Any Comments as to what's the problem. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446564#446564 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mogas from the garage. From: Pete Lawless Hi Alan I asked the same question the other day in my local Shell garage - they could not even tell me the BS number despite searching about in the office paperwork! This would suggest it is not a requirement or if it is the local trading standards people don't realize it. Regards Pete On 30/08/15 17:37, Alan Carter wrote: > > Hello All. > This is just for UK Pilots. > Read in the LAA magazine to check the Ethanol content displayed at the garage petrol pump. > Just the Octane rating is displayed, and the staff don,t know what Ethanol is. > Is it a legal requirement to display the Ethanol content on the forecourt pump, and should the manager have the details of what is in his storage tanks. ???????????? > > Alan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446563#446563 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mogas from the garage. From: "Alan Carter" Hi Peter. Is it or , is it not a legal requirement . Lets hope the LAA Legal team know, maybe they should be phoning the trading standards department. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446567#446567 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mogas from the garage. From: Pete Lawless Alan I was very surprised that the garage could not tell me what the BS number was for the fuel they were selling. I had expected to find that on the pump. Pete On 30/08/15 18:21, Alan Carter wrote: > > Hi Peter. > Is it or , is it not a legal requirement . > Lets hope the LAA Legal team know, maybe they should be phoning the trading standards department. > > Alan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446567#446567 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:00 PM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mogas from the garage. Alan, Although the revised version of BS EN228 (2012) allows up to 10% ethanol in fuel the maximum currently being used is 5%. This is technically described as E5 fuel but I have never seen it described as such in the UK. Most suppliers use a brand name. If you buy either 95 RON or 97 RON ( much preferred for R912ULS) you will be OK. I have not looked at all pumps but most have a label on them saying "EN228".. Most suppliers are reluctant to tell the public how much ethanol is in any particular batch of fuel. The AA say that there is no requirement to label fuels using up to 5% ethanol but it is legal requirement to label E10 (10% ethanol) - when it is introduced at some time in the future. So, no label = up to 5% ethanol. If you are unsure you should carry out the water test as described in TL 2.26 which should give you an estimate of how much ethanol is in the fuel. Personally I have never got this test to work reliably but... I hope this helps. These are the reasons it has taken so long to get Mogas with ethanol approved for our use. Regards Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter Sent: 30 August 2015 17:38 Subject: Europa-List: Mogas from the garage. --> Hello All. This is just for UK Pilots. Read in the LAA magazine to check the Ethanol content displayed at the garage petrol pump. Just the Octane rating is displayed, and the staff don,t know what Ethanol is. Is it a legal requirement to display the Ethanol content on the forecourt pump, and should the manager have the details of what is in his storage tanks. ???????????? Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446563#446563 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:35 PM PST US From: Wladimir Kummer Subject: Europa-List: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil Hello all, I and a friend are building a couple of Europa MG kits in Brazil south. Maybe 2-3 year to completion. Best Wladimir Kummer ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:58 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil Wladimir, Welcome to the Europa List. Best wishes on your construction projects. Don't hesitate to ask for assistance. This is a group of fellow Europa builders ready to provide help. Keep in touch with progress reports. Check into EuropaOwners.org where you can see other Europa projects and post your own project photos and commentary. Be sure to become involved with the Europa Club, theeuropacoub.org for additional build resources. Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad > On Aug 30, 2015, at 13:55, Wladimir Kummer wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I and a friend are building a couple of Europa MG kits in Brazil south. Maybe 2-3 year to completion. > > Best > > Wladimir Kummer > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mogas from the garage. From: "Alan Carter" Hi Brian. Many thanks for the information, I have heard that 97 has no Ethanol, Some time ago I did a test with a jar and some water, and did notice a difference between the two, it appeared to confirm the 97 was Ethanol free. Regards Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446575#446575 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:45 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Electrics on a Europa. From: "pestar" At 2000rpm on my Rotax 914 there is insufficient output from the alternator to charge the battery. I use a Low Voltage Warning and Aux Battery Management Module from http://periheliondesign.com and the warning led kicks out well above 2000rpm. Would not worry. Cheers Peter -------- Peter Armstrong Auckland, New Zealand DynAero MCR-4S (Do not shoot me :) ). Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446579#446579 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electrics on a Europa. From: Robert Borger Alan, I doubt there=92s a problem. My alternator doesn=92t come on line till I advance to about 2500 RPM. Drops off at about 2200 RPM when I retard the throttle. As long as your low voltage light goes out well before you reach cruise RPM and stays out during cruise I=92d say you=92re OK. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com > On Aug 30, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Alan Carter wrote: > > > Hello ALL. > I have a problem,My charge rate is barley maintaining my battery. > Engine running 2000 rpms , MASTER SWITCH ON, All CBs pulled out, even number 1 fuel pump CB momentary pulled as its a 914 engine, voltmeter reads 12.1 volts, so all the electrics are off as far as I know,? > > Turn the MASTER SWITCH OFF, voltmeter jumps to 12.9 volts. > So something is happening when switching the Master on and off jumping for 12 to 12.9. > > Any Comments as to what's the problem. > > Alan ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:48 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Two Europa XS Motorglider builders in Brazil Hello Wladimir,Good to see you here, WelcomeGraham On Sunday, 30 August 2015, 21:15, Robert Borger wro te: Wladimir, Welcome to the Europa List.=C2- Best wishes on your construction projects .=C2- Don't hesitate to ask for assistance.=C2- This is a group of fell ow Europa builders ready to provide help.=C2- Keep in touch with progress reports.=C2- Check into EuropaOwners.org where you can see other Europa projects and post your own project photos and commentary.=C2- Be sure to become involved with the Europa Club, theeuropacoub.org for additional buil d resources. Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad > On Aug 30, 2015, at 13:55, Wladimir Kummer wro te: > com> > > Hello all, > > I and a friend are building a couple of Europa MG kits in Brazil south. M aybe 2-3 year to completion. > > Best > > Wladimir Kummer > > > > > > S - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.