---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/12/15: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:52 AM - Re: Vacuum Pump Blank (Rick Moss) 2. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank (Timward) 3. 05:49 AM - Re: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank (Timward) 4. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank (Paul McAllister) 5. 10:45 AM - Re: Vacuum Pump Blank (europapa) 6. 02:00 PM - fuel tank leak (Richard Parzoch) 7. 04:05 PM - Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life (Graeme Hart) 8. 04:33 PM - Re: fuel tank leak (Fred Klein) 9. 04:38 PM - Re: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life (Fred Klein) 10. 05:45 PM - Re: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life (spcialeffects) 11. 09:31 PM - Re: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life (Graeme Hart) 12. 10:24 PM - Re: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life (Fred Klein) 13. 11:04 PM - Re: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life (Graeme Hart) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:27 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank From: "Rick Moss" I believe that you can simply remove the vac pump; you will still have a rotatiing shaft sticking out of the rear of the gearbox, but that should pose no issue? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447018#447018 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:44 AM PST US From: Timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank Thanks Rick. Must look at the manuals. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 > On 12/09/2015, at 10:51 pm, Rick Moss wrote: > > > I believe that you can simply remove the vac pump; you will still have a rotatiing shaft sticking out of the rear of the gearbox, but that should pose no issue? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447018#447018 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:23 AM PST US From: Timward Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank Thanks Rick. Haven't looked at the removal yet nor the manuals so that would be excellent. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 > On 12/09/2015, at 10:51 pm, Rick Moss wrote: > > > I believe that you can simply remove the vac pump; you will still have a rotatiing shaft sticking out of the rear of the gearbox, but that should pose no issue? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447018#447018 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:49 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank Tim, I just made a flat cover out of aluminum when I removed mine. - Paul ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:18 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Vacuum Pump Blank From: "europapa" years ago I removed the vacuum pump too and made a cover out of 4mm PTFE. Simple. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447026#447026 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:59 PM PST US From: "Richard Parzoch" Subject: Europa-List: fuel tank leak I finished and first flown my Europa XS at the end of 2005 and have flown it regularly for a total of over 700 hours. I purchased a kit as a monowheel and converted it during building process to conventional tailwheel setup with the help of Bob Berube in Florida. Other than that everything was built per factory specs including fuel tank mount. The aircraft was always hangared. About two months ago I came to my hangar only to dicover strong gasoline smell and a blue stain on the floor. I took the easy route first replacing fuel hoses and fittings even though I couldn't see any obvious wear and tear. Then I had to face the unthinkable that the fuel tank itself developed a leak somehow. The bottom of my plane has a inspection plate at the bottom right after the gear and after looking I confirmed that the port side of the tank had a leak at the bottom. I cut out about 6 x 8 " plate from the bottom of the fuselage and exposed the leak. It was a crack where the reinforcing fiberglass was glued to the tank. I sealed it with the thick layer of tank sealer from Aircraft Spruce and so far it has been holding. I flew the aircraft for about eight hours since. IMG_4095.JPGIMG_4096.JPGIMG_4097.JPGIMG_4098.JPG ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:25 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life From: Graeme Hart Hi All I am the proud new owner of Europa XS Tri-gear kit A-101. Today I was going through the kit and I found some unopened cans of this miracle glue. The cans were manufactured in 2005 and are labelled with an expiry date 6 months later in early 2006. In the perfect world I would just buy new adhesive but as this glue is hard to obtain (at a reasonable price) I'm considering using the glue I have. The cans show no sign of corrosion and are unopened. Does anyone know what the realistic shelf life of this product is? Alternatively if anyone knows of a source in New Zealand or Australia so I can minimise dangerous goods shipping charges that would be very helpful (I'm already in an email conversation with Huntsman in Australia). Thanks Graeme ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:13 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank leak Richardthank you for your pixs and clear description of the issue and how you=99ve dealt with itI find that Aircraft Spruce has umpteen fuel sealant productscan you let us know which product you=99ve had success with? Fred > On Sep 12, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Richard Parzoch wrote: > > I finished and first flown my Europa XS at the end of 2005 and have flown it regularly for a total of over 700 hours. I purchased a kit as a monowheel and converted it during building process to conventional tailwheel setup with the help of Bob Berube in Florida. Other than that everything was built per factory specs including fuel tank mount. The aircraft was always hangared. > About two months ago I came to my hangar only to dicover strong gasoline smell and a blue stain on the floor. I took the easy route first replacing fuel hoses and fittings even though I couldn't see any obvious wear and tear. Then I had to face the unthinkable that the fuel tank itself developed a leak somehow. The bottom of my plane has a inspection plate at the bottom right after the gear and after looking I confirmed that the port side of the tank had a leak at the bottom. > I cut out about 6 x 8 " plate from the bottom of the fuselage and exposed the leak. It was a crack where the reinforcing fiberglass was glued to the tank. I sealed it with the thick layer of tank sealer from Aircraft Spruce and so far it has been holding. I flew the aircraft for about eight hours since. > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:00 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life =46rom past discussion on this forum, I=99d ignore the expiry date...I=99d suggest opening the containers and determining whether or not crystals have formedif they have, warm the Redux container in a pot of water on the stove, stirring until crystals have dissolved, then proceed w/ a test strip or two to determine current bond strength. just my thoughts on what I=99d do Fred > On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Graeme Hart wrote: > > Hi All > > I am the proud new owner of Europa XS Tri-gear kit A-101. > > Today I was going through the kit and I found some unopened cans of this miracle glue. > > The cans were manufactured in 2005 and are labelled with an expiry date 6 months later in early 2006. > > In the perfect world I would just buy new adhesive but as this glue is hard to obtain (at a reasonable price) I'm considering using the glue I have. > > The cans show no sign of corrosion and are unopened. > > Does anyone know what the realistic shelf life of this product is? Alternatively if anyone knows of a source in New Zealand or Australia so I can minimise dangerous goods shipping charges that would be very helpful (I'm already in an email conversation with Huntsman in Australia). > > > > > Thanks > Graeme > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:57 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life From: "spcialeffects" Just keep in mind " When your at the start of the runway, about to power up, do you want that little niggle in the back of your mind saying should I have..........." Just one of the things I keep in mind every time I go into my workshop. Just my thoughts Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447034#447034 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life From: Graeme Hart Thanks Fred, I appreciate the suggestions. Do you have any suggestions about how to test the bond strength? Thanks spcialeffects for your input too, while the use of old glue is definitely a concern for me at least I am able to test and verify performance. The bigger concern for me is that I'm building from a kit that has had at least three previous owners. I will check their work as far as I can but there are some areas of the aircraft where I am unable to see what they have done. Ultimately any aircraft is a collection of trade offs and compromises and this is just one of many. Hopefully Huntsman will come through on Monday with a reasonable price for 1.4kg of Araldite 420 and I can just buy it from them. On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Fred Klein wrote : > From past discussion on this forum, I=99d ignore the expiry date... I=99d > suggest opening the containers and determining whether or not crystals ha ve > formedif they have, warm the Redux container in a pot of water o n the > stove, stirring until crystals have dissolved, then proceed w/ a test str ip > or two to determine current bond strength. > > just my thoughts on what I=99d do > > Fred > > On Sep 12, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Graeme Hart > wrote: > > Hi All > > I am the proud new owner of Europa XS Tri-gear kit A-101. > > Today I was going through the kit and I found some unopened cans of this > miracle glue. > > The cans were manufactured in 2005 and are labelled with an expiry date 6 > months later in early 2006. > > In the perfect world I would just buy new adhesive but as this glue is > hard to obtain (at a reasonable price) I'm considering using the glue I > have. > > The cans show no sign of corrosion and are unopened. > > Does anyone know what the realistic shelf life of this product is? > Alternatively if anyone knows of a source in New Zealand or Australia so I > can minimise dangerous goods shipping charges that would be very helpful > (I'm already in an email conversation with Huntsman in Australia). > > > Thanks > Graeme > > * > > class="">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > class="">http://forums.matronics.com > class="">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > =========== tronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:32 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life > On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Graeme Hart wrote: > > Do you have any suggestions about how to test the bond strength? GraemeI=99ll stick my neck out and suggest the following: I always kept all cut-outs and scraps of materials from trimming of moulded parts, etc. Find a couple of scraps of (say) 3 ply BID and bond them together w/ the Reduxusing a suitable set up of leverage and grip, attempt to pull them apartif the fiberglas fails before the Redux bond, I=99d feel good to go. But I would certainly invite anyone with real knowledge and experience in this area to step up and either take issue with or confirm my suggestion. Fred ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420A/B (Redux) Realistic Shelf Life From: Graeme Hart On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > On Sep 12, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Graeme Hart > wrote: > > Do you have any suggestions about how to test the bond strength? > > > GraemeI=99ll stick my neck out and suggest the following: > > I always kept all cut-outs and scraps of materials from trimming of > moulded parts, etc. Find a couple of scraps of (say) 3 ply BID and bond > them together w/ the Reduxusing a suitable set up of leverage an d grip, > attempt to pull them apartif the fiberglas fails before the Redu x bond, > I=99d feel good to go. > That was pretty much what I was thinking Fred. I don't have any cut-outs or scraps that I can use but I've got a lot of spare glass cloth and I can easily make some test samples. I'll do this once I've done a complete inventory of the work to date and after ordering the mod kits and possibly other parts I need from Europa. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.