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1. 12:16 AM - Re: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (Tim Ward)
2. 12:16 AM - Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (Steve Pitt)
3. 01:35 AM - Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (Bob Harrison)
4. 04:23 AM - Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
5. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (Karl Heindl)
6. 05:50 AM - Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (Bob Harrison)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: Course pitch stop setting Airmaster AP332 for high altitude (Rick Moss)
8. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
9. 11:13 AM - Airmaster Whirlwind blades (Richard Holder)
10. 01:31 PM - Re: Airmaster Whirlwind blades (Davids)
11. 08:57 PM - shoraiLfxInstallGuide (Tim Ward)
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Subject: | Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 |
Hi Roland,
Rotax 912s with original 912 starter is OK.
What one needs is a powerful battery.
I had a Panasonic Battery and in winter it was no good.
It eventually caused the sprag clutch to need replacing.
I was also going to upgrade to a more powerful starter.
Due to my Classic engine frame I could not fit the new starter.
So I put the original back and brought a Lithium IRON battery used in Motorb
ikes.
Powerful enough to turn over a 12tonne truck!
I worked so well. No more winter problems on starting.
Battery was the SHORAI POWER
See http://shoraipower.com
CHEERS,
TIM
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 14/10/2015, at 7:51 PM, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
>
>
> Bonjour Gilles,
>
> I think my kick back Problem is typical for a broken (worn out?) sprag clu
tch (that's also what Rotax suspects). The LiFePo battery is very strong and
I think this Problem should be solved with a new sprag clutch.
>
> However the long wiring between the battery and the starter is far from id
eal, so I'll change it on this occasion as well.
>
> The idea of the heavy duty starter arised, because the engine/starter has 6
50 hrs now and the engine has to be taken out anyway. Plus the cables should
not be longer than 50 cm, which would be the case with the new battery posi
tion. So just nice to have, but certainly unnecessary.
>
> What I've learned by now is, that several feasible approaches to the probl
em exist - and, that I'm not the only one having it :-)
>
> Salut
> Roland
> PH-ZTI
> XS TG 914
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447921#447921
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Subject: | Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller |
I fitted the Trio wing leveller in concert with Ian Rickard, who installed the
Tru Track, and this work then begat the EUROPA Club mod on wing levellers.
I would not be without my wing leveller especially when flying solo - it got me
out of one unfortunate scrape last year and allowed me to concentrate on flying
the plane.
As far as fitting is concerned it was one of the easiest mods to fit, at least
in my aircraft, and with the Skymap 3c flies routes easily.
Assuming you have not filled the space under the passenger left thigh, you have
an easy accessible place for the servo and a short push rod attachment onto the
aileron push rod alongside.
Two of the requirements of the mod are that you can override the force of the wing
leveller and that it can be switched off and have its own c/b. Both fits have
these requirements.
The Trio is great in flight in that if I have set a flight path too close to a
hotspot like a VOR I can offset my route by increments of 0.1 nm - really useful
when you realise you are closer to a glider site than you should be.
You will also find that the Dynon servos can also be installed according to the
mod paperwork although I cannot comment on any other kits (i.e. Garmin).
Hope this helps. I know lots of EUROPA owners have gone down the wing leveller
route. Some have gone further with pitch as well.
Regards
Steve
Sent from my iPad
> On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:20, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just fitted Eze Autopilot Wing Leveller with Gold Servo.
> Works perfectly will follow Garmin 496 flight plan or selected course.
> Easy fit get the loom as well.
> Dave G-LDVO
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>> On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:07, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't really understand how they work, presumably any manual input overrides
them but they must be fairly strong to rotate the tube. I guess if you disable
it, it disengages the servo and reverts to a normal feel stick.
>> Any recommendations as to a easiest fit set up. I dont have an EFIS I would
have to fit something probably in place of my 'steam DI' which I wouldnt miss
that much.
>> It would seem a useful device for long flights. Is it an easy standard mod?
>>
>> --------
>> Graeme Bird
>> G-UMPY
>> Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
>> Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono
>> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447902#447902
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Subject: | whats involved in fitting a wing leveller |
Hi! Steve/All
I have a TruTrak Pictorial Pilot fitted in G-PTAG which functions great with
the Skyforce IIIc GPS.
I don't have pitch control since I prefer to keep that to myself!
The only bitch I have is that the Skyforce no longer "speaks" to my original
Navbox flight planning system therefore needing the route entered manually.
Probably due to using Virtual Machineware to accommodate a 64 bit lap top .
However I now, in tandem, use Sky Demon on a Mini i-pad, which runs parallel
and much more accurately than the Skyforce. Oh ! what a relief it would be
if the Sky Demon would "drive" the TruTrak too!
Mounting of the TruTrak servo was challenging as I am sure any servo in the
passenger left thigh support area would be.
Fixing the drive to the pitch control tube was also needing some ingenuity!
Also reinforcing the cut out to the passenger seating area was important.
But the whole issue is priceless especially in demanding conditions.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt
Sent: 14 October 2015 08:16
Subject: Re: Europa-List: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller
--> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
I fitted the Trio wing leveller in concert with Ian Rickard, who installed
the Tru Track, and this work then begat the EUROPA Club mod on wing
levellers.
I would not be without my wing leveller especially when flying solo - it got
me out of one unfortunate scrape last year and allowed me to concentrate on
flying the plane.
As far as fitting is concerned it was one of the easiest mods to fit, at
least in my aircraft, and with the Skymap 3c flies routes easily.
Assuming you have not filled the space under the passenger left thigh, you
have an easy accessible place for the servo and a short push rod attachment
onto the aileron push rod alongside.
Two of the requirements of the mod are that you can override the force of
the wing leveller and that it can be switched off and have its own c/b. Both
fits have these requirements.
The Trio is great in flight in that if I have set a flight path too close to
a hotspot like a VOR I can offset my route by increments of 0.1 nm - really
useful when you realise you are closer to a glider site than you should be.
You will also find that the Dynon servos can also be installed according to
the mod paperwork although I cannot comment on any other kits (i.e. Garmin).
Hope this helps. I know lots of EUROPA owners have gone down the wing
leveller route. Some have gone further with pitch as well.
Regards
Steve
Sent from my iPad
> On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:20, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote:
>
>
> Just fitted Eze Autopilot Wing Leveller with Gold Servo.
> Works perfectly will follow Garmin 496 flight plan or selected course.
> Easy fit get the loom as well.
> Dave G-LDVO
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>> On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:07, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't really understand how they work, presumably any manual input
overrides them but they must be fairly strong to rotate the tube. I guess
if you disable it, it disengages the servo and reverts to a normal feel
stick.
>> Any recommendations as to a easiest fit set up. I dont have an EFIS I
would have to fit something probably in place of my 'steam DI' which I
wouldnt miss that much.
>> It would seem a useful device for long flights. Is it an easy standard
mod?
>>
>> --------
>> Graeme Bird
>> G-UMPY
>> Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
>> Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447902#447902
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Subject: | Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller |
=0AFor what it's worth I mounted the AP servo on the exist
ing embedded ply hardpoint (at least in the Classic) on the
floor of the tunnel, where the fuel valve often sits. This
connects via a slightly longer pushrod to a horn mounted on
the four bolts at the aft end of the aileron torque tube
(the one that runs under the seat). This arrangement circumven
ts the ingenuity required to fit the servo below the seat.=0A
Some others have, I understand, mounted the servo in the foo
twell, where it is vulnerable to FOD.=0APFA-accepted.=0A=0ADuncan
McF.=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@t
alktalk.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015
10:32=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: whats involved in fitting a wi
on" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>Hi! Steve/All have a TruTrak Pictor
ial Pilot fitted in G-PTAG which functions great withhe Sky
force IIIc GPS. don't have pitch control since I prefer t
o keep that to myself!he only bitch I have is that the
Skyforce no longer "speaks" to my originalavbox flight planni
ng system therefore needing the route entered manually.robably
due to using Virtual Machineware to accommodate a 64 bit lap
top .However I now, in tandem, use Sky Demon on a Mi
ni i-pad, which runs parallelnd much more accurately than t
he Skyforce. Oh ! what a relief it would bef the Sky
Demon would "drive" the TruTrak too!ounting of the TruTrak
servo was challenging as I am sure any servo in theasseng
er left thigh support area would be.ixing the drive to th
e pitch control tube was also needing some ingenuity!lso re
inforcing the cut out to the passenger seating area was impo
rtant.ut the whole issue is priceless especially in demanding
conditions.egardsob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message--
---rom: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.commailto:owner-europa-list-s
erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pittent: 14 October 2
015 08:16o: europa-list@matronics.comubject: Re: Europa-List: wh
ats involved in fitting a wing leveller--> Europa-List messag
e posted by: Steve Pitt -> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>I fitt
ed the Trio wing leveller in concert with Ian Rickard, who
installedhe Tru Track, and this work then begat the EUROPA
Club mod on wingevellers. would not be without my wing
leveller especially when flying solo - it gote out of one
unfortunate scrape last year and allowed me to concentrate
onlying the plane.s far as fitting is concerned it was
one of the easiest mods to fit, ateast in my aircraft,
and with the Skymap 3c flies routes easily. ssuming you h
ave not filled the space under the passenger left thigh, you
ave an easy accessible place for the servo and a short
push rod attachmentnto the aileron push rod alongside.wo o
f the requirements of the mod are that you can override th
e force ofhe wing leveller and that it can be switched
off and have its own c/b. Bothits have these requirements.
he Trio is great in flight in that if I have set a
flight path too close to hotspot like a VOR I can offse
t my route by increments of 0.1 nm - reallyseful when y
ou realise you are closer to a glider site than you should
be.ou will also find that the Dynon servos can also be
installed according tohe mod paperwork although I cannot c
omment on any other kits (i.e. Garmin).ope this helps. I
know lots of EUROPA owners have gone down the wingeveller
route. Some have gone further with pitch as well.egardstev
eSent from my iPad> On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:20, david
park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote: --> Europa-List message p
osted by: david park <dpark748@icloud.com> Just fitted Ez
e Autopilot Wing Leveller with Gold Servo. Works perfectly
will follow Garmin 496 flight plan or selected course. Easy
fit get the loom as well. Dave G-LDVO Sent
from my iPhone > On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:07, graem
e bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:> > --> Europa-List messag
e posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>> > I don't
really understand how they work, presumably any manual inp
utverrides them but they must be fairly strong to rotate
the tube. I guessf you disable it, it disengages the
servo and reverts to a normal feeltick.> Any recommendatio
ns as to a easiest fit set up. I dont have an EFIS I
ould have to fit something probably in place of my 'steam
DI' which Iouldnt miss that much.> It would seem a use
ful device for long flights. Is it an easy standardod?>
> --------> Graeme Bird> G-UMPY> Mono Classic/XS FFW
912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W> Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk> > > > > Read this topic onli
ne here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447902#447
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Subject: | Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 |
Tim=2C
Thanks for the info. But which of the 23 batteries did you choose ?Cheers
=2CKarl
From: ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914
Hi Roland=2CRotax 912s with original 912 starter is OK.What one needs is a
powerful battery.I had a Panasonic Battery and in winter it was no good.It
eventually caused the sprag clutch to need replacing.I was also going to up
grade to a more powerful starter.Due to my Classic engine frame I could not
fit the new starter.So I put the original back and brought a Lithium IRON
battery used in Motorbikes.Powerful enough to turn over a 12tonne truck!I w
orked so well. No more winter problems on starting.Battery was the SHORAI P
OWER=0A
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See http://shoraipower.com
CHEERS=2C
TIM
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Ph 64 3 3515166Mob 0210640221
On 14/10/2015=2C at 7:51 PM=2C Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
Bonjour Gilles=2C
I think my kick back Problem is typical for a broken (worn out?) sprag clut
ch (that's also what Rotax suspects). The LiFePo battery is very strong and
I think this Problem should be solved with a new sprag clutch.
However the long wiring between the battery and the starter is far from ide
al=2C so I'll change it on this occasion as well.
The idea of the heavy duty starter arised=2C because the engine/starter has
650 hrs now and the engine has to be taken out anyway. Plus the cables sho
uld not be longer than 50 cm=2C which would be the case with the new batter
y position. So just nice to have=2C but certainly unnecessary.
What I've learned by now is=2C that several feasible approaches to the prob
lem exist - and=2C that I'm not the only one having it :-)
Salut
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914
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Subject: | Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 |
Hi! Gilles, Roland ...all
I fitted the Rotax heavy duty starter to the 914 in G-PTAG and no such thing
as even a sign of Kick Back but with the lower compression ratio of the 914
and a pair of Odessy 680 batteries left over from the original Jabiru 3300
installation the starting is instant.( did I mention Jabiru 3300 and no
problem in the same breath ? Blast..... not intended! Nightmares reducing !)
For sanity .....no such thing as "over kill" in this department !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GTH
Sent: 13 October 2015 23:12
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914
Le 13/10/2015 12:43, Roland a crit :
>
> Did anyone of you install such a heavy duty starter on the 912 or 914 or
is it just overkill for this engine?
Hi Roland,
Never had a kickback or any problem on the 914 with a Hawker SB8 battery
(2.7 kg) in the back, so you may want to make sure it has not something to
do with the starting circuit.
FWIW
Mit Freundlichen Gruessen,
Gilles
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Subject: | Re: Course pitch stop setting Airmaster AP332 for high altitude |
I'm not suggesting you do this, but I have on occasion when flying at altitude
and wishing to drop the revs:
If you select "manual", and then hold the "feather" toggle down, you can use the
manual pitch rocker switch to select a pitch coarser than the coarse stop.
Obviously don't do this in "auto", especially with the blue knob set to "feather"!
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Subject: | Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 |
=0AThe heavy duty starter is quoted as being 1" longer than
the original starter, although it looks longer than this; ther
e was an earlier thread on this when the new starter first
appeared, but a search doesn't bring this up.=0AAnyway, the
alternative sold by Silent-Hetik and referenced earlier in the
current thread, is stated as being 15mm longer (and about ha
lf the price).=0AAnyone checked whether the latter would fit w
ith the Classic engine mount? Or care to measure what cleara
nce is available with the original starter?=0A=0ADuncan McF=0A=0A=0A
-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>=0ATo:
europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 8:23=0ASubject: R
e: Europa-List: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914=0A=0A=0AHi
Roland,=0ARotax 912s with original 912 starter is OK.=0AWhat one
needs is a powerful battery.=0AI had a Panasonic Battery an
d in winter it was no good.=0AIt eventually caused the sprag
clutch to need replacing.=0AI was also going to upgrade to
a more powerful starter.=0ADue to my Classic engine frame I
could not fit the new starter.=0ASo I put the original back
and brought a Lithium IRON battery used in Motorbikes.=0APowerfu
l enough to turn over a 12tonne truck!=0AI worked so well.
No more winter problems on starting.=0ABattery was the SHORAI
POWER=0A=0A=0ASee http://shoraipower.com=0A=0A=0ACHEERS,=0A=0A=0ATIM=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0ATim Ward=0A12 Waiwetu Street=0AFendalton,=0AChristchurch,
8052=0ANew Zealand.=0A=0A=0Award.t@xtra.co.nz=0A=0A=0APh 64 3 3515166=0A
Mob 0210640221=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 14/10/2015, at 7:51 PM, Roland <sc
hmidtroland@web.de> wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted b
y: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>=0A=0ABonjour Gilles,=0A=0AI think m
y kick back Problem is typical for a broken (worn out?) sp
rag clutch (that's also what Rotax suspects). The LiFePo batte
ry is very strong and I think this Problem should be solve
d with a new sprag clutch.=0A=0AHowever the long wiring betwee
n the battery and the starter is far from ideal, so I'll
change it on this occasion as well.=0A=0AThe idea of the hea
vy duty starter arised, because the engine/starter has 650 hrs
now and the engine has to be taken out anyway. Plus the
cables should not be longer than 50 cm, which would be
the case with the new battery position. So just nice to ha
ve, but certainly unnecessary.=0A=0AWhat I've learned by now is,
that several feasible approaches to the problem exist - and
, that I'm not the only one having it :-)=0A=0ASalut=0ARoland
=0APH-ZTI =0AXS TG 914=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A
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Subject: | Airmaster Whirlwind blades |
Hi All
Has anyone in the UK tried the new Whirlwind blades to fit
the Airmaster hub ? Great things are promised.
I just don't want to be the first to try them as the
paperwork puts me off.
If someone has done it already please let me know.
Thanks
Richard Holder
G-OWWW
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster Whirlwind blades |
Richard I am looking at this at the moment but need some support from the community
Sent from my iPhone
> On 14 Oct 2015, at 20:12, Richard Holder <richard.holder@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All
>
> Has anyone in the UK tried the new Whirlwind blades to fit the Airmaster hub
? Great things are promised.
>
> I just don't want to be the first to try them as the paperwork puts me off.
>
> If someone has done it already please let me know.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard Holder
> G-OWWW
>
>
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Subject: | shoraiLfxInstallGuide |
Karl,
See attachment.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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