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Wed 10/14/15


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     1. 12:16 AM - Re: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (Tim Ward)
     2. 12:16 AM - Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (Steve Pitt)
     3. 01:35 AM - Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (Bob Harrison)
     4. 04:23 AM - Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
     5. 04:34 AM - Re: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (Karl Heindl)
     6. 05:50 AM - Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (Bob Harrison)
     7. 08:11 AM - Re: Course pitch stop setting Airmaster AP332 for high altitude (Rick Moss)
     8. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net)
     9. 11:13 AM - Airmaster Whirlwind blades (Richard Holder)
    10. 01:31 PM - Re: Airmaster Whirlwind blades (Davids)
    11. 08:57 PM - shoraiLfxInstallGuide (Tim Ward)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:16:26 AM PST US
    From: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914
    Hi Roland, Rotax 912s with original 912 starter is OK. What one needs is a powerful battery. I had a Panasonic Battery and in winter it was no good. It eventually caused the sprag clutch to need replacing. I was also going to upgrade to a more powerful starter. Due to my Classic engine frame I could not fit the new starter. So I put the original back and brought a Lithium IRON battery used in Motorb ikes. Powerful enough to turn over a 12tonne truck! I worked so well. No more winter problems on starting. Battery was the SHORAI POWER See http://shoraipower.com CHEERS, TIM Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 > On 14/10/2015, at 7:51 PM, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote: > > > Bonjour Gilles, > > I think my kick back Problem is typical for a broken (worn out?) sprag clu tch (that's also what Rotax suspects). The LiFePo battery is very strong and I think this Problem should be solved with a new sprag clutch. > > However the long wiring between the battery and the starter is far from id eal, so I'll change it on this occasion as well. > > The idea of the heavy duty starter arised, because the engine/starter has 6 50 hrs now and the engine has to be taken out anyway. Plus the cables should not be longer than 50 cm, which would be the case with the new battery posi tion. So just nice to have, but certainly unnecessary. > > What I've learned by now is, that several feasible approaches to the probl em exist - and, that I'm not the only one having it :-) > > Salut > Roland > PH-ZTI > XS TG 914 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447921#447921 > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > >


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    Time: 12:16:35 AM PST US
    From: Steve Pitt <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller
    I fitted the Trio wing leveller in concert with Ian Rickard, who installed the Tru Track, and this work then begat the EUROPA Club mod on wing levellers. I would not be without my wing leveller especially when flying solo - it got me out of one unfortunate scrape last year and allowed me to concentrate on flying the plane. As far as fitting is concerned it was one of the easiest mods to fit, at least in my aircraft, and with the Skymap 3c flies routes easily. Assuming you have not filled the space under the passenger left thigh, you have an easy accessible place for the servo and a short push rod attachment onto the aileron push rod alongside. Two of the requirements of the mod are that you can override the force of the wing leveller and that it can be switched off and have its own c/b. Both fits have these requirements. The Trio is great in flight in that if I have set a flight path too close to a hotspot like a VOR I can offset my route by increments of 0.1 nm - really useful when you realise you are closer to a glider site than you should be. You will also find that the Dynon servos can also be installed according to the mod paperwork although I cannot comment on any other kits (i.e. Garmin). Hope this helps. I know lots of EUROPA owners have gone down the wing leveller route. Some have gone further with pitch as well. Regards Steve Sent from my iPad > On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:20, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote: > > > Just fitted Eze Autopilot Wing Leveller with Gold Servo. > Works perfectly will follow Garmin 496 flight plan or selected course. > Easy fit get the loom as well. > Dave G-LDVO > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:07, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> I don't really understand how they work, presumably any manual input overrides them but they must be fairly strong to rotate the tube. I guess if you disable it, it disengages the servo and reverts to a normal feel stick. >> Any recommendations as to a easiest fit set up. I dont have an EFIS I would have to fit something probably in place of my 'steam DI' which I wouldnt miss that much. >> It would seem a useful device for long flights. Is it an easy standard mod? >> >> -------- >> Graeme Bird >> G-UMPY >> Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W >> Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono >> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447902#447902 > > > > >


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    Time: 01:35:23 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
    Subject: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller
    Hi! Steve/All I have a TruTrak Pictorial Pilot fitted in G-PTAG which functions great with the Skyforce IIIc GPS. I don't have pitch control since I prefer to keep that to myself! The only bitch I have is that the Skyforce no longer "speaks" to my original Navbox flight planning system therefore needing the route entered manually. Probably due to using Virtual Machineware to accommodate a 64 bit lap top . However I now, in tandem, use Sky Demon on a Mini i-pad, which runs parallel and much more accurately than the Skyforce. Oh ! what a relief it would be if the Sky Demon would "drive" the TruTrak too! Mounting of the TruTrak servo was challenging as I am sure any servo in the passenger left thigh support area would be. Fixing the drive to the pitch control tube was also needing some ingenuity! Also reinforcing the cut out to the passenger seating area was important. But the whole issue is priceless especially in demanding conditions. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt Sent: 14 October 2015 08:16 Subject: Re: Europa-List: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller --> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> I fitted the Trio wing leveller in concert with Ian Rickard, who installed the Tru Track, and this work then begat the EUROPA Club mod on wing levellers. I would not be without my wing leveller especially when flying solo - it got me out of one unfortunate scrape last year and allowed me to concentrate on flying the plane. As far as fitting is concerned it was one of the easiest mods to fit, at least in my aircraft, and with the Skymap 3c flies routes easily. Assuming you have not filled the space under the passenger left thigh, you have an easy accessible place for the servo and a short push rod attachment onto the aileron push rod alongside. Two of the requirements of the mod are that you can override the force of the wing leveller and that it can be switched off and have its own c/b. Both fits have these requirements. The Trio is great in flight in that if I have set a flight path too close to a hotspot like a VOR I can offset my route by increments of 0.1 nm - really useful when you realise you are closer to a glider site than you should be. You will also find that the Dynon servos can also be installed according to the mod paperwork although I cannot comment on any other kits (i.e. Garmin). Hope this helps. I know lots of EUROPA owners have gone down the wing leveller route. Some have gone further with pitch as well. Regards Steve Sent from my iPad > On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:20, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote: > > > Just fitted Eze Autopilot Wing Leveller with Gold Servo. > Works perfectly will follow Garmin 496 flight plan or selected course. > Easy fit get the loom as well. > Dave G-LDVO > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:07, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> I don't really understand how they work, presumably any manual input overrides them but they must be fairly strong to rotate the tube. I guess if you disable it, it disengages the servo and reverts to a normal feel stick. >> Any recommendations as to a easiest fit set up. I dont have an EFIS I would have to fit something probably in place of my 'steam DI' which I wouldnt miss that much. >> It would seem a useful device for long flights. Is it an easy standard mod? >> >> -------- >> Graeme Bird >> G-UMPY >> Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W >> Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447902#447902 > > > > >


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    Time: 04:23:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller
    From: ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net
    =0AFor what it's worth I mounted the AP servo on the exist ing embedded ply hardpoint (at least in the Classic) on the floor of the tunnel, where the fuel valve often sits. This connects via a slightly longer pushrod to a horn mounted on the four bolts at the aft end of the aileron torque tube (the one that runs under the seat). This arrangement circumven ts the ingenuity required to fit the servo below the seat.=0A Some others have, I understand, mounted the servo in the foo twell, where it is vulnerable to FOD.=0APFA-accepted.=0A=0ADuncan McF.=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@t alktalk.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:32=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: whats involved in fitting a wi on" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>Hi! Steve/All have a TruTrak Pictor ial Pilot fitted in G-PTAG which functions great withhe Sky force IIIc GPS. don't have pitch control since I prefer t o keep that to myself!he only bitch I have is that the Skyforce no longer "speaks" to my originalavbox flight planni ng system therefore needing the route entered manually.robably due to using Virtual Machineware to accommodate a 64 bit lap top .However I now, in tandem, use Sky Demon on a Mi ni i-pad, which runs parallelnd much more accurately than t he Skyforce. Oh ! what a relief it would bef the Sky Demon would "drive" the TruTrak too!ounting of the TruTrak servo was challenging as I am sure any servo in theasseng er left thigh support area would be.ixing the drive to th e pitch control tube was also needing some ingenuity!lso re inforcing the cut out to the passenger seating area was impo rtant.ut the whole issue is priceless especially in demanding conditions.egardsob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message-- ---rom: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.commailto:owner-europa-list-s erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pittent: 14 October 2 015 08:16o: europa-list@matronics.comubject: Re: Europa-List: wh ats involved in fitting a wing leveller--> Europa-List messag e posted by: Steve Pitt -> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>I fitt ed the Trio wing leveller in concert with Ian Rickard, who installedhe Tru Track, and this work then begat the EUROPA Club mod on wingevellers. would not be without my wing leveller especially when flying solo - it gote out of one unfortunate scrape last year and allowed me to concentrate onlying the plane.s far as fitting is concerned it was one of the easiest mods to fit, ateast in my aircraft, and with the Skymap 3c flies routes easily. ssuming you h ave not filled the space under the passenger left thigh, you ave an easy accessible place for the servo and a short push rod attachmentnto the aileron push rod alongside.wo o f the requirements of the mod are that you can override th e force ofhe wing leveller and that it can be switched off and have its own c/b. Bothits have these requirements. he Trio is great in flight in that if I have set a flight path too close to hotspot like a VOR I can offse t my route by increments of 0.1 nm - reallyseful when y ou realise you are closer to a glider site than you should be.ou will also find that the Dynon servos can also be installed according tohe mod paperwork although I cannot c omment on any other kits (i.e. Garmin).ope this helps. I know lots of EUROPA owners have gone down the wingeveller route. Some have gone further with pitch as well.egardstev eSent from my iPad> On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:20, david park <dpark748@icloud.com> wrote: --> Europa-List message p osted by: david park <dpark748@icloud.com> Just fitted Ez e Autopilot Wing Leveller with Gold Servo. Works perfectly will follow Garmin 496 flight plan or selected course. Easy fit get the loom as well. Dave G-LDVO Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:07, graem e bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:> > --> Europa-List messag e posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>> > I don't really understand how they work, presumably any manual inp utverrides them but they must be fairly strong to rotate the tube. I guessf you disable it, it disengages the servo and reverts to a normal feeltick.> Any recommendatio ns as to a easiest fit set up. I dont have an EFIS I ould have to fit something probably in place of my 'steam DI' which Iouldnt miss that much.> It would seem a use ful device for long flights. Is it an easy standardod?> > --------> Graeme Bird> G-UMPY> Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W> Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk> > > > > Read this topic onli ne here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447902#447 =========================== ======================-= - The Europa-List Email Forum --= Use th e Matronics List Features Navigator to browse-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,-= Photoshare, and m uch much more:-=-= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigato r?Europa-List-=-=================== =========================== ==============-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS --= Same great content a lso available via the Web Forums!-=-= --> http://f orums.matronics.com-=-================= =========================== ================-= - List Contribution Web Site --= Thank you f or your generous support!-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution-======= =========================== ========================== =0A=0A


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    Time: 04:34:21 AM PST US
    From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914
    Tim=2C Thanks for the info. But which of the 23 batteries did you choose ?Cheers =2CKarl From: ward.t@xtra.co.nz Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 Hi Roland=2CRotax 912s with original 912 starter is OK.What one needs is a powerful battery.I had a Panasonic Battery and in winter it was no good.It eventually caused the sprag clutch to need replacing.I was also going to up grade to a more powerful starter.Due to my Classic engine frame I could not fit the new starter.So I put the original back and brought a Lithium IRON battery used in Motorbikes.Powerful enough to turn over a 12tonne truck!I w orked so well. No more winter problems on starting.Battery was the SHORAI P OWER=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A See http://shoraipower.com CHEERS=2C TIM =0A =0A =0A Tim Ward12 Waiwetu StreetFendalton=2CChristchurch=2C 8052New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166Mob 0210640221 On 14/10/2015=2C at 7:51 PM=2C Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote: Bonjour Gilles=2C I think my kick back Problem is typical for a broken (worn out?) sprag clut ch (that's also what Rotax suspects). The LiFePo battery is very strong and I think this Problem should be solved with a new sprag clutch. However the long wiring between the battery and the starter is far from ide al=2C so I'll change it on this occasion as well. The idea of the heavy duty starter arised=2C because the engine/starter has 650 hrs now and the engine has to be taken out anyway. Plus the cables sho uld not be longer than 50 cm=2C which would be the case with the new batter y position. So just nice to have=2C but certainly unnecessary. What I've learned by now is=2C that several feasible approaches to the prob lem exist - and=2C that I'm not the only one having it :-) Salut Roland PH-ZTI XS TG 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447921#447921 http://www.matronics.================== ==========3B - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -http://www.ma tronics.com/contribution =0A =0A =0A ============0A ============0A ============0A ============0A =0A


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    Time: 05:50:27 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914
    Hi! Gilles, Roland ...all I fitted the Rotax heavy duty starter to the 914 in G-PTAG and no such thing as even a sign of Kick Back but with the lower compression ratio of the 914 and a pair of Odessy 680 batteries left over from the original Jabiru 3300 installation the starting is instant.( did I mention Jabiru 3300 and no problem in the same breath ? Blast..... not intended! Nightmares reducing !) For sanity .....no such thing as "over kill" in this department ! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GTH Sent: 13 October 2015 23:12 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 Le 13/10/2015 12:43, Roland a crit : > > Did anyone of you install such a heavy duty starter on the 912 or 914 or is it just overkill for this engine? Hi Roland, Never had a kickback or any problem on the 914 with a Hawker SB8 battery (2.7 kg) in the back, so you may want to make sure it has not something to do with the starting circuit. FWIW Mit Freundlichen Gruessen, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr >


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    Time: 08:11:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Course pitch stop setting Airmaster AP332 for high altitude
    From: "Rick Moss" <Rkwmoss@gmail.com>
    I'm not suggesting you do this, but I have on occasion when flying at altitude and wishing to drop the revs: If you select "manual", and then hold the "feather" toggle down, you can use the manual pitch rocker switch to select a pitch coarser than the coarse stop. Obviously don't do this in "auto", especially with the blue knob set to "feather"! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447929#447929


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    Time: 09:01:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914
    From: ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net
    =0AThe heavy duty starter is quoted as being 1" longer than the original starter, although it looks longer than this; ther e was an earlier thread on this when the new starter first appeared, but a search doesn't bring this up.=0AAnyway, the alternative sold by Silent-Hetik and referenced earlier in the current thread, is stated as being 15mm longer (and about ha lf the price).=0AAnyone checked whether the latter would fit w ith the Classic engine mount? Or care to measure what cleara nce is available with the original starter?=0A=0ADuncan McF=0A=0A=0A -----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 8:23=0ASubject: R e: Europa-List: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914=0A=0A=0AHi Roland,=0ARotax 912s with original 912 starter is OK.=0AWhat one needs is a powerful battery.=0AI had a Panasonic Battery an d in winter it was no good.=0AIt eventually caused the sprag clutch to need replacing.=0AI was also going to upgrade to a more powerful starter.=0ADue to my Classic engine frame I could not fit the new starter.=0ASo I put the original back and brought a Lithium IRON battery used in Motorbikes.=0APowerfu l enough to turn over a 12tonne truck!=0AI worked so well. No more winter problems on starting.=0ABattery was the SHORAI POWER=0A=0A=0ASee http://shoraipower.com=0A=0A=0ACHEERS,=0A=0A=0ATIM=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ATim Ward=0A12 Waiwetu Street=0AFendalton,=0AChristchurch, 8052=0ANew Zealand.=0A=0A=0Award.t@xtra.co.nz=0A=0A=0APh 64 3 3515166=0A Mob 0210640221=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 14/10/2015, at 7:51 PM, Roland <sc hmidtroland@web.de> wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted b y: "Roland" <schmidtroland@web.de>=0A=0ABonjour Gilles,=0A=0AI think m y kick back Problem is typical for a broken (worn out?) sp rag clutch (that's also what Rotax suspects). The LiFePo batte ry is very strong and I think this Problem should be solve d with a new sprag clutch.=0A=0AHowever the long wiring betwee n the battery and the starter is far from ideal, so I'll change it on this occasion as well.=0A=0AThe idea of the hea vy duty starter arised, because the engine/starter has 650 hrs now and the engine has to be taken out anyway. Plus the cables should not be longer than 50 cm, which would be the case with the new battery position. So just nice to ha ve, but certainly unnecessary.=0A=0AWhat I've learned by now is, that several feasible approaches to the problem exist - and , that I'm not the only one having it :-)=0A=0ASalut=0ARoland =0APH-ZTI =0AXS TG 914=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447921#447921=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahtt p://www.matronics.===================== =========================== ====; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -http://www. =========================== =========================== =========================== ===-= - The Europa-List Email Fo rum --= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to brow se-= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,-= Photoshare, and much much more:-=-= -- http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List-=-============ =========================== =====================-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS --= Same great content also available via the Web Forums!-=-= -- http://forums.matronics.com-=-============ =========================== =====================-= - List Contribution Web Site --= Thank you for your generous support!-= -Matt Dralle, List Admin.-= -- http://www.matronics.com/contribution-== =========================== =========================== =====0A=0A


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    Time: 11:13:18 AM PST US
    From: Richard Holder <richard.holder@outlook.com>
    Subject: Airmaster Whirlwind blades
    Hi All Has anyone in the UK tried the new Whirlwind blades to fit the Airmaster hub ? Great things are promised. I just don't want to be the first to try them as the paperwork puts me off. If someone has done it already please let me know. Thanks Richard Holder G-OWWW


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    Time: 01:31:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Airmaster Whirlwind blades
    From: Davids <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
    Richard I am looking at this at the moment but need some support from the community Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Oct 2015, at 20:12, Richard Holder <richard.holder@outlook.com> wrote: > > > Hi All > > Has anyone in the UK tried the new Whirlwind blades to fit the Airmaster hub ? Great things are promised. > > I just don't want to be the first to try them as the paperwork puts me off. > > If someone has done it already please let me know. > > Thanks > > Richard Holder > G-OWWW > > > >


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    Time: 08:57:28 PM PST US
    Subject: shoraiLfxInstallGuide
    From: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
    Karl, See attachment. Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>




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