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1. 03:15 AM - Re: shoraiLfxInstallGuide (Karl Heindl)
2. 03:16 AM - Arblast PV50 C/Speed Propeller DC Motor Replacement (Alan Carter)
3. 04:38 AM - Re: Arblast PV50 C/Speed Propeller DC Motor Replacement (Kevin Kedward)
4. 06:18 AM - Re: Airmaster Whirlwind blades (Steven Pitt)
5. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 (David Watts)
6. 10:20 AM - Can someone send me a picture of a europa trailer please (William Daniell)
7. 10:49 AM - Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (graeme bird)
8. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller (Graeme Hart)
9. 06:34 PM - Re: shoraiLfxInstallGuide (Tim Ward)
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| Subject: | shoraiLfxInstallGuide |
Tim=2C
Thank you for the installation guide=2C but you still did not tell us which
battery model you installed.This only refers to the LFX09A2.Karl
Subject: Europa-List: shoraiLfxInstallGuide
From: ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Karl=2C
See attachment.
Tim
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| Subject: | Arblast PV50 C/Speed Propeller DC Motor Replacement |
Hello All on Forum.
First of all i must say a big thank you to Ms Tendai Mugweni who gave me an excellent
help and service, as an Ex CAA Examiner I rarely would give 10/10 but
the score is 11.
So if you need a motor this is the place to go.
Electro Mechanical Systems Ltd
www.ems-limited.co.uk
Tel: 0118 9817391
Arblast Propellers as you know have ceased trading so spares are difficult to
obtain, I have been looking for the small electric motor which changes the propellers
pitch.
After many e-mail and phone calls i have finally tracked down the components, I
have done all the hard work so here it is my PV50 flyers.
CS Unit Drive.
Its a small electric motor which drives a planetary gear head which then mechanically
turns a jack screw forward or backwards either increases or decreases
the blade pitch angle.
The amount of and aft movement of the jack screw is controlled by two micro switches,
connected to the DC motor and reversing the polarity changes the motors
direction of rotation .
This is the motor and fitting kit, the Gear Head is at extra cost and not listed
here, but its 246 to 1 drive ratio gear head if you need one.
Note the first two numbers refer to the motors diameter ie 23 or 22 the last two
numbers are the voltage 12 or 06.
Seems to me that all the PV50s CS unit had 6 volt motors on the aircrafts 12v system
as mine is and i expect yours is, when measured gives 11.9v at the terminal
on the motor.
On the motors end a small plastic plate cover states FAULHABER Made in Germany
, 2224U006SR, R59, 3909.
The R59 denotes the motor has coils at the segment end.
The 2224U0006SR isnt a like for like replacement for the 2224U006SR-59, due to
the special option 59, which means that the motor has coils for end/commutator
seg secured with special adhesive
So your identical replacement would be a 2224U006SR, R59, 3909, But i have used
the 2224U006SR. at 67.5 which works well, But an upgrade to match the aircrafts
system of 12v would be the 2342S12CR at 167.5
but in doing this you would need the G23m16 fitting kit to attach it to the Gear
Head, ( i have not done this yet but think the fitting kit is the blue alloy
collar in which the two ie Motor and Gear Head are joined in with adhesive.)
The Gear Head is 246 to 1 as used by Arblast but it is possible to have a 406
to 1 which is slower but puts the motor under less load, but better go for the
more expensive 12v motor.
Back at the rear of this lot is a housing with the two Micro Switches which have
a diode across two of the terminal, The mirco switches levers run along a shaft
and are set at the propeller Fine and Course stops.
Removal of Motor.
To remove the Motor, unsolder or cut the two wires as close as possible to the
motors terminals, Remove the tape from the shaft.
The Blue Alloy Collar with light pressure applied to a pair of grips turn the Collar
to brake seal, then unscrew by hand, Gently withdraw the motor and pinion
from the gear box.
Be careful not to disturb the planetary gears as you withdraw motor and pinion,
and the fine metal gear retaining washer in front of the gear box.
With the motor now out, On a table look for and remove the fine hair wire U clip.
Which is Bond in at one end, ( God knows what this is for, seems to doing
nothing as i see it) ????
Be careful not to loose it. ( But if you can see a use for it, i would like to
know.)
Remove the Blue Collar from the motor, by unscrewing the 3 small screws inside
the collar.
Now pull the collar off from the motor, the two surfaces may have been bonded
with Loctite 638, mine was not. (But it is Recommend as listed in text.)
Now you have the little motor in your hand.
Replace in reverse order.
When bonding the motor to the gearhead we suggest you use adhesive Loctite 638
this offers high strength, high temperature resistance and is ideal for bonding
small gaps.
Before re soldering the wire two the motor, hold the wires on terminals to check
the prop works in correct direction/ toggle switch up for fine, toggle down
for course.
change wires round the other way if it dose not work, check, then finally solder
wires onto terminals.
No Workshop Manual is Available , So that,s it.
DC Motors.
1-4pcs 2342S012CR 119.08 + VAT Due to stock availability
in Switzerland (subject to prior sales) the lead time is estimated at 2
3 working weeks from receipt of an
order/payment.
1-4pcs 2224U006SR 56.25 + VAT Due to stock availability
at EMS(subject to prior sales) therefore please consider 2-3 working days
from receipt of an order/payment.
Fitting kits are generally provided free of charge when ordered with a gearhead
but when ordered separately please note the buy prices would be as follows;
G23m18 (Kit required when fitting a 2224U006SR to 23/1 gearhead) 18.85 +
VAT please consider 2-3 working weeks
G23m16 ( Kit required when fitting a 2342S012CR to 23/1 gearhead) 21.15
+ VAT please consider 2-3 working weeks
12v Motor,2342S012CR DC Motor plus Fitting Kit G23M1623/1 168.28 including
VAT please consider 2-3 working weeks
Kindest regards
Ms Tendai Mugweni
Electro Mechanical Systems Ltd
www.ems-limited.co.uk
Tel: 0118 9817391
I have done all the hard work Mr Jeffers as instructed .Happy days
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Arblast PV50 C/Speed Propeller DC Motor Replacement |
That's funny, I've got all brand new components from EMS ltd delivered on 13th
Oct sitting on my desk ! I recall emailing you on the 21st Sept a quotation copy
of the said parts. I have the brass screw thread, the turned part the brass
screw is mounted in. Also the bearings. If you re-visit your emails from me Alan
I asked if I could borrow your old aluminium mounting turned part so we could
get it reverse engineered.... ?
K Kedward
G-okev
Sent from my iPhone
> On 15 Oct 2015, at 11:19, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All on Forum.
>
> First of all i must say a big thank you to Ms Tendai Mugweni who gave me an
excellent help and service, as an Ex CAA Examiner I rarely would give 10/10 but
the score is 11.
> So if you need a motor this is the place to go.
> Electro Mechanical Systems Ltd
> www.ems-limited.co.uk
>
> Tel: 0118 9817391
>
> Arblast Propellers as you know have ceased trading so spares are difficult to
obtain, I have been looking for the small electric motor which changes the propellers
pitch.
> After many e-mail and phone calls i have finally tracked down the components,
I have done all the hard work so here it is my PV50 flyers.
>
> CS Unit Drive.
> Its a small electric motor which drives a planetary gear head which then mechanically
turns a jack screw forward or backwards either increases or decreases
the blade pitch angle.
> The amount of and aft movement of the jack screw is controlled by two micro switches,
connected to the DC motor and reversing the polarity changes the motors
direction of rotation .
>
> This is the motor and fitting kit, the Gear Head is at extra cost and not listed
here, but its 246 to 1 drive ratio gear head if you need one.
>
> Note the first two numbers refer to the motors diameter ie 23 or 22 the last
two numbers are the voltage 12 or 06.
> Seems to me that all the PV50s CS unit had 6 volt motors on the aircrafts 12v
system as mine is and i expect yours is, when measured gives 11.9v at the terminal
on the motor.
> On the motors end a small plastic plate cover states FAULHABER Made in Germany
, 2224U006SR, R59, 3909.
> The R59 denotes the motor has coils at the segment end.
>
> The 2224U0006SR isnt a like for like replacement for the 2224U006SR-59, due to
the special option 59, which means that the motor has coils for end/commutator
seg secured with special adhesive
>
>
> So your identical replacement would be a 2224U006SR, R59, 3909, But i have
used the 2224U006SR. at 67.5 which works well, But an upgrade to match the aircrafts
system of 12v would be the 2342S12CR at 167.5
> but in doing this you would need the G23m16 fitting kit to attach it to the Gear
Head, ( i have not done this yet but think the fitting kit is the blue alloy
collar in which the two ie Motor and Gear Head are joined in with adhesive.)
>
> The Gear Head is 246 to 1 as used by Arblast but it is possible to have a 406
to 1 which is slower but puts the motor under less load, but better go for
the more expensive 12v motor.
> Back at the rear of this lot is a housing with the two Micro Switches which have
a diode across two of the terminal, The mirco switches levers run along a
shaft and are set at the propeller Fine and Course stops.
>
> Removal of Motor.
> To remove the Motor, unsolder or cut the two wires as close as possible to the
motors terminals, Remove the tape from the shaft.
> The Blue Alloy Collar with light pressure applied to a pair of grips turn the
Collar to brake seal, then unscrew by hand, Gently withdraw the motor and pinion
from the gear box.
> Be careful not to disturb the planetary gears as you withdraw motor and pinion,
and the fine metal gear retaining washer in front of the gear box.
> With the motor now out, On a table look for and remove the fine hair wire U
clip. Which is Bond in at one end, ( God knows what this is for, seems to doing
nothing as i see it) ????
> Be careful not to loose it. ( But if you can see a use for it, i would like to
know.)
> Remove the Blue Collar from the motor, by unscrewing the 3 small screws inside
the collar.
> Now pull the collar off from the motor, the two surfaces may have been bonded
with Loctite 638, mine was not. (But it is Recommend as listed in text.)
> Now you have the little motor in your hand.
> Replace in reverse order.
> When bonding the motor to the gearhead we suggest you use adhesive Loctite 638
this offers high strength, high temperature resistance and is ideal for bonding
small gaps.
> Before re soldering the wire two the motor, hold the wires on terminals to check
the prop works in correct direction/ toggle switch up for fine, toggle down
for course.
> change wires round the other way if it dose not work, check, then finally solder
wires onto terminals.
> No Workshop Manual is Available , So that,s it.
>
> DC Motors.
>
> 1-4pcs 2342S012CR 119.08 + VAT Due to stock availability
in Switzerland (subject to prior sales) the lead time is estimated at
2 3 working weeks from receipt of an
>
>
order/payment.
>
>
>
> 1-4pcs 2224U006SR 56.25 + VAT Due to stock availability
at EMS(subject to prior sales) therefore please consider 2-3 working days
from receipt of an order/payment.
>
>
>
>
>
> Fitting kits are generally provided free of charge when ordered with a gearhead
but when ordered separately please note the buy prices would be as follows;
>
>
>
> G23m18 (Kit required when fitting a 2224U006SR to 23/1 gearhead) 18.85
+ VAT please consider 2-3 working weeks
>
>
>
> G23m16 ( Kit required when fitting a 2342S012CR to 23/1 gearhead) 21.15
+ VAT please consider 2-3 working weeks
>
>
>
> 12v Motor,2342S012CR DC Motor plus Fitting Kit G23M1623/1 168.28 including
VAT please consider 2-3 working weeks
>
>
>
> Kindest regards
>
> Ms Tendai Mugweni
>
> Electro Mechanical Systems Ltd
> www.ems-limited.co.uk
>
> Tel: 0118 9817391
>
>
>
> I have done all the hard work Mr Jeffers as instructed .Happy days
> Regards.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447961#447961
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airmaster Whirlwind blades |
Talk to Bud Yerly as he had them fitted at SunnFun this year and I was most
impressed by their performance. Costs had not been worked out at that stage
but Bud was going to test them during the Summer and let us have a report on
progress.
Regards
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Davids" <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airmaster Whirlwind blades
>
> Richard I am looking at this at the moment but need some support from the
> community
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 14 Oct 2015, at 20:12, Richard Holder <richard.holder@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <richard.holder@outlook.com>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Has anyone in the UK tried the new Whirlwind blades to fit the Airmaster
>> hub ? Great things are promised.
>>
>> I just don't want to be the first to try them as the paperwork puts me
>> off.
>>
>> If someone has done it already please let me know.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Richard Holder
>> G-OWWW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914 |
Duncan
I too was interested in fitting a more powerful starter to my classic/912S E
uropa but today I managed to get a good look while doing another 50 hour ser
vice and I can confirm that it is NOT possible to fit in the extra 15mm leng
th. There is only 12mm between the rear of the standard starter and the engi
ne mounting frame upright.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY
> On 14 Oct 2015, at 17:00, ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net wrote:
>
> The heavy duty starter is quoted as being 1" longer than the original star
ter, although it looks longer than this; there was an earlier thread on this
when the new starter first appeared, but a search doesn't bring this up.
> Anyway, the alternative sold by Silent-Hetik and referenced earlier in the
current thread, is stated as being 15mm longer (and about half the price).
> Anyone checked whether the latter would fit with the Classic engine mount?
Or care to measure what clearance is available with the original starter?
> Duncan McF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 8:23
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Heavy duty starter for Rotax 914
>
> Hi Roland,
> Rotax 912s with original 912 starter is OK.
> What one needs is a powerful battery.
> I had a Panasonic Battery and in winter it was no good.
> It eventually caused the sprag clutch to need replacing.
> I was also going to upgrade to a more powerful starter.
> Due to my Classic engine frame I could not fit the new starter.
> So I put the original back and brought a Lithium IRON battery used in Moto
rbikes.
> Powerful enough to turn over a 12tonne truck!
> I worked so well. No more winter problems on starting.
> Battery was the SHORAI POWER
> See http://shoraipower.com
>
> CHEERS,
>
> TIM
>
>
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Ph 64 3 3515166
> Mob 0210640221
>
>
> On 14/10/2015, at 7:51 PM, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bonjour Gilles,
>>
>> I think my kick back Problem is typical for a broken (worn out?) sprag cl
utch (that's also what Rotax suspects). The LiFePo battery is very strong an
d I think this Problem should be solved with a new sprag clutch.
>>
>> However the long wiring between the battery and the starter is far from i
deal, so I'll change it on this occasion as well.
>>
>> The idea of the heavy duty starter arised, because the engine/starter has
650 hrs now and the engine has to be taken out anyway. Plus the cables shou
ld not be longer than 50 cm, which would be the case with the new battery po
sition. So just nice to have, but certainly unnecessary.
>>
>> What I've learned by now is, that several feasible approaches to the prob
lem exist - and, that I'm not the only one having it :-)
>>
>> Salut
>> Roland
>> PH-ZTI
>> XS TG 914
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447921#447921
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| Subject: | Can someone send me a picture of a europa trailer please |
Please can someone send me a pic of a europa trailer....ideally just the
structure and also with the aircraft on board so my guy can copy it.
I am buildig a tri
Many thanks
Will
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| Subject: | Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller |
thanks for the replies.
Its not clear to me if they come with the servo or if that's extra and purchased
separately - seems like its possible to use a number of servos, but some are
stepper motors.
My plane seems very sensitive in pitch - maybe that is worth considering as well
as roll; is there a Mod for that?
I currently fly a course on a Nexus 7 using Skydemon software. I guess in this
case I would have to set the heading for each leg on the say a Trio EZ?
Seems like all the vendors are in the USA?
Does anyone have any bits they have just never got round to fitting?
Hard to see how one would rivet in a hole under the seat unless they are all on
the top few degrees!
Is a right angle drill required for the mod?
Thanks
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: whats involved in fitting a wing leveller |
It is mod 76 in the Europa website and described as "altitude hold".
> On 16/10/2015 6:54 am, "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> thanks for the replies.
>>
>> Its not clear to me if they come with the servo or if that's extra and
purchased separately - seems like its possible to use a number of servos,
but some are stepper motors.
>>
>> My plane seems very sensitive in pitch - maybe that is worth considering
as well as roll; is there a Mod for that?
>>
>> I currently fly a course on a Nexus 7 using Skydemon software. I guess
in this case I would have to set the heading for each leg on the say a Trio
EZ?
>>
>> Seems like all the vendors are in the USA?
>>
>> Does anyone have any bits they have just never got round to fitting?
>>
>> Hard to see how one would rivet in a hole under the seat unless they are
all on the top few degrees!
>>
>> Is a right angle drill required for the mod?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --------
>> Graeme Bird
>> G-UMPY
>> Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
>> Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono
>> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447985#447985
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: shoraiLfxInstallGuide |
Karl,
That's the one.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 15/10/2015, at 6:14 PM, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Thank you for the installation guide, but you still did not tell us which b
attery model you installed.
> This only refers to the LFX09A2.
> Karl
>
> Subject: Europa-List: shoraiLfxInstallGuide
> From: ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:56:22 +1300
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
> Karl,
> See attachment.
> Tim
>
>
> Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward
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