---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/26/15: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:34 AM - MOD 72 Confusion (tonyvaccarella) 2. 06:12 AM - Re: MOD 72 Confusion (Nigel Graham) 3. 08:20 AM - Re: Altitude Hold kit. Trio. (AirEupora) 4. 08:59 AM - Re: Re: Altitude Hold kit. Trio. (William Daniell) 5. 01:50 PM - Circuit breakers, trim switch and indicator (John Archer) 6. 02:48 PM - Is europa dead in the water (g-fizy) 7. 03:15 PM - Re: Circuit breakers, trim switch and indicator (Rowland Carson) 8. 06:48 PM - Re: Is europa dead in the water (Graeme Hart) 9. 07:02 PM - Re: Is europa dead in the water (Bud Yerly) 10. 07:49 PM - Re: Circuit breakers, trim switch and indicator (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:27 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: MOD 72 Confusion From: "tonyvaccarella" Hi All, MOD 72 seems like a simple enough MOD so I thought I would start here to upgrade my yet to be finished project. Things, it appears, are never that easy. I was viewing some images of other builders who have completed this MOD and was surprised to see in some pictures that the builder was spraying the inside of the engine mount with the Etch Primer. My reading of the instructions lead me to think I needed to paint the insert and the bore of the insert only i.e. leaving the bore of the engine mount as is after reaming. So ...I contacted Europa who advised..... "As written, long before my time here, it seems to say just the bore of the insert but I would suggest including the bore of the engine mount as well." Just wondering what the folk who have conducted this MOD done regarding the application of the Etch Primer? Many thanks Tony Sydney Australia S/N A011 -------- Tony Vaccarella Mascot NSW 2020 Sydney Australia Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450307#450307 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: MOD 72 Confusion From: Nigel Graham The "intent" of the procedure is to allow the steel insert to be assembled into the frame in a way that reduces the chance of moisture "wicking" into the gap and causing unseen corrosion in the future. The instructions do recommend etch primer though I'm not sure I would. Etch primer is designed to provide a good key to subsequent paint, and you're not going to be painting the inside of your tubes, and it's not a particularly good corrosion inhibitor. In any case, the moment you tap your new insert into the hole it will "chisel" it straight back off. ACF50 is excellent but will need re-applying as part of a regular maintenance schedule. If the insert is a "snug" fit in the newly reamed engine frame, I would suggest smearing it with a copper based assembly grease (copper slip) before final assembly. If the insert is loose, I would thoroughly degrease all components and assemble with a bearing grade anaerobic adhesive (loctite). For longer term protection (life of the aircraft) of the inside surfaces of the frame and all of the steel control tubes, I used (and would recommend) Shell "Ensis sx" Fluid. This is an industrial water dispersant designed to protect pallet loads of unfinished steel components outside during production. A data sheet can be downloaded from here: http://www.southernlubricants.co.uk/lube.php?searchtext=shell+ensis&ctrl=Go&gclid=CJDdktaLrskCFYoEwwodK8cMpg Hope that helps Nigel On 26/11/2015 11:33, tonyvaccarella wrote: > > Hi All, > > MOD 72 seems like a simple enough MOD so I thought I would start here to upgrade my yet to be finished project. Things, it appears, are never that easy. > > I was viewing some images of other builders who have completed this MOD and was surprised to see in some pictures that the builder was spraying the inside of the engine mount with the Etch Primer. My reading of the instructions lead me to think I needed to paint the insert and the bore of the insert only i.e. leaving the bore of the engine mount as is after reaming. > > So ...I contacted Europa who advised..... > > "As written, long before my time here, it seems to say just the bore of the insert but I would suggest including the bore of the engine mount as well." > > Just wondering what the folk who have conducted this MOD done regarding the application of the Etch Primer? > > Many thanks > Tony > Sydney > Australia > S/N A011 > > -------- > Tony Vaccarella > Mascot NSW 2020 > Sydney Australia > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450307#450307 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Altitude Hold kit. Trio. From: "AirEupora" I made a bracket that clamps over the torque tube. It can be put on without removing the torque tube. I put pictures on the old web sites, but can forward them to you when I get back home from the holidays. Rick Stockton N120EJ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450313#450313 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Altitude Hold kit. Trio. From: William Daniell I have just been going through this. I decided not to go through taking out the torque tube - I cat see why youd want to go through that. If I did not have the top on I would definitely have gone for attaching the servo to the tail torque tube. there are some very nice set ups that Alain and others posted.. Will William Daniell LONGPORT +57 310 295 0744 On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:19 AM, AirEupora wrote: > > I made a bracket that clamps over the torque tube. It can be put on > without removing the torque tube. I put pictures on the old web sites, but > can forward them to you when I get back home from the holidays. > > Rick Stockton > N120EJ > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450313#450313 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:32 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Circuit breakers, trim switch and indicator From: John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> Hi to all, I will be modifying my avionics panel and would like to prepare the new one p rior to stripping out the old one. I intend reusing the trim switch, it's position indicator and the square typ e circuit breakers. Does anyone know what the hole cutout sizes are for these items? Attached is a photo showing type of switches. Regards John ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:03 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Is europa dead in the water From: "g-fizy" I have been waiting well over a year now for some parts to be made ,I have had promise after promise ,but no parts I have even had a email from some one else waiting like me ,how many more are waiting ? I am now thinking that it's time to contact my insurance company and ask the aircraft to be scrapped as parts are not available It's seems the only way of contacting europa is via the spares department and Karen has to email the other part of europa /swift for any info but none ever comes If you in the same situation paid for parts or aircraft kit that has not turned up perhaps we should get together and get a lawyer -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450322#450322 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:06 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Circuit breakers, trim switch and indicator On 2015-11-26, at 21:49, John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote: > I will be modifying my avionics panel and would like to prepare the new one prior to stripping out the old one. > I intend reusing the trim switch, it's position indicator and the square type circuit breakers. > Does anyone know what the hole cutout sizes are for these items? John - here attached is a screenshot of a small part of my radio panel drawing with dimensions (in mm) added. An export from this drawing was used to water-jet cut the panel, and the switches fitted pretty well - see: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/radio_panel_populated. php However, it appears you have the meter-type indicator rather than the LED bar that came with my kit, so the hole size for that could be different. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is europa dead in the water From: Graeme Hart I ordered some mod kits recently. It took a little while (from memory a few weeks) to get a price for shipping but once I sent payment details they were dispatched immediately. I also asked a technical question and received an answer in a week or so. Karen has been very helpful. On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:47 AM, g-fizy wrote: > > I have been waiting well over a year now for some parts to be made ,I have > had promise after promise ,but no parts I have even had a email from some > one else waiting like me ,how many more are waiting ? > I am now thinking that it's time to contact my insurance company and ask > the aircraft to be scrapped as parts are not available > It's seems the only way of contacting europa is via the spares department > and Karen has to email the other part of europa /swift for any info but > none ever comes > If you in the same situation paid for parts or aircraft kit that has not > turned up perhaps we should get together and get a lawyer > > -------- > owner g-fizy > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450322#450322 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:39 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Is europa dead in the water Dear Owner G-FIZY What part do you need. Regards, Bud Yerly US Europa Dealer. -----Original Message----- From: g-fizy Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: Is europa dead in the water I have been waiting well over a year now for some parts to be made ,I have had promise after promise ,but no parts I have even had a email from some one else waiting like me ,how many more are waiting ? I am now thinking that it's time to contact my insurance company and ask the aircraft to be scrapped as parts are not available It's seems the only way of contacting europa is via the spares department and Karen has to email the other part of europa /swift for any info but none ever comes If you in the same situation paid for parts or aircraft kit that has not turned up perhaps we should get together and get a lawyer -------- owner g-fizy Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=450322#450322 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:29 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Circuit breakers, trim switch and indicator Rowland, Glad to hear your upgrading your panel. Been there, done that. Try to keep the plane young! The trim indicator and trim switch dimensions are on the Ray Allen website in the instructions. I=99ve attached the .pdf from my wiring installation files. It is a bit dated but they haven=99t changed in years. Note: The indicator and switch are disgusting to wire due to the small #26 gauge wire and the dumb fact they are surface mounted and use #2-56 screws to hold them. Consider the following: Buy the appropriate D sub pins and crimper for these angel hair wires to make removal and replacement easier or I solder the wires to a pcb pin connector (shown in attached .jpeg) for the switch and indicator and mount the trim switch and indicator plugs on a board but you can let them hang free. I Wire the board to the airframe using about a #20 to 22 wire to the panel to airframe plug because I am annul. but I can slide out my transponder to get quick access to the board for unplugging. Also, I redux a tapped strip of .032-.040 aluminum as my nutplate so I never have to try to get a tiny nut off the back of a hair like screw. Life is too short and my eyes and patience are not what they used to be. To service a bad indicator or switch, simply unscrew the switch, pull the wire forward, disconnect the pcb connector. Remove the pcb connector from the bad indicator/switch and solder on to the new one. Plug it up, screw it back together and leave in less than one hour. There are too many types of circuit breakers. Are you using Klixon or some other manufacturer? What I=99m wondering, is how you mount your breakers. I put the breakers hard against one another so they can=99t rotate, and I fabricate a bus bar with even holes to screw the breakers to which makes for a very rigid CB panel that is very compact. In 12 AY I have three different brands of CBs of all different lengths and it makes life difficult to get even spacing. Regards, Bud Yerly From: Rowland Carson Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Circuit breakers, trim switch and indicator On 2015-11-26, at 21:49, John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> wrote: I will be modifying my avionics panel and would like to prepare the new one prior to stripping out the old one. I intend reusing the trim switch, it's position indicator and the square type circuit breakers. Does anyone know what the hole cutout sizes are for these items? John - here attached is a screenshot of a small part of my radio panel drawing with dimensions (in mm) added. An export from this drawing was used to water-jet cut the panel, and the switches fitted pretty well - see: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/radio_panel_populated .php However, it appears you have the meter-type indicator rather than the LED bar that came with my kit, so the hole size for that could be different. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.