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1. 03:00 AM - Re: Smooth monowheel tyres? (spcialeffects)
2. 03:29 AM - Re: Channel crossing (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: Europa Web Page (rampil)
4. 11:12 AM - Re: Smart Ass Ordered (ploucandco)
5. 12:15 PM - Getting the trim motor out (William Daniell)
6. 01:00 PM - Re: Getting the trim motor out (Kevin Klinefelter)
7. 01:05 PM - Re: Getting the trim motor out (William Daniell)
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Getting the trim motor out (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 02:07 PM - Re: Getting the trim motor out (William Daniell)
10. 02:23 PM - Re: Getting the trim motor out ()
11. 02:52 PM - Re: Getting the trim motor out (Bob Harrison)
12. 03:03 PM - Re: Getting the trim motor out (Kevin Klinefelter)
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth monowheel tyres? |
I too have the original tundra tyre so hope your mud guard will fit
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453705#453705
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| Subject: | Re: Channel crossing |
Glenn, Have forgotten whether I sent this on via PC, but herewith in
case not David
On 2016-03-10 08:29, Glenn Perry wrote:
>
> Hello All.
>
> Wow, what a great response, thanks for all the information.
>
> I am a member of the Europa club and just had a look at the page with the links
to various weather sites, very good!
>
> David, I could not open the file you mentioned, would it be possible for you
to email it to me directly?
>
> I think I will route to Troyes for my first French landing as my final destination
is further south, a small field near Moissac, just north of Toulouse.
>
> Regards,
>
> Glenn Perry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Web Page |
Rick,
I know of several dozen Europa web sites.
Which one are referring to?
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Smart Ass Ordered |
Here is a picture my system:
- a reed relay in the gray heat shrink
- a magnet that only activates the reed relay when the gear lock is down
The reed relay is connected to a small box with an arduino that reads out the serial
stream of a Dynon D10A (for speed and climb information) and lights up a
dual color led on my panel according to the following scheme:
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453714#453714
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| Subject: | Getting the trim motor out |
Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more
dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim. I
suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.
I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.
I think I need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting to
it to check the wires.
Is there a trick to this?
Thanks Will
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| Subject: | Re: Getting the trim motor out |
I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back.
Do you have a relay?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more di
smaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim. I suspe
ct the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.
>
> I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.
>
> I think I need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting t
o it to check the wires.
>
> Is there a trick to this?
>
> Thanks Will
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting the trim motor out |
Ummm dunno. Its the stuff that came with the kit.
Will
On Mar 13, 2016 3:03 PM, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back.
> Do you have a relay?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more
> dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim. I
> suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.
>
> I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.
>
> I think I need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting
> to it to check the wires.
>
> Is there a trick to this?
>
> Thanks Will
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting the trim motor out |
If you have two trim controls, one on the stick and one by the trim display p
erhaps, then there is a relay between them.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 13, 2016, at 1:04 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Ummm dunno. Its the stuff that came with the kit.
> Will
>
>> On Mar 13, 2016 3:03 PM, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back.
>> Do you have a relay?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.c
om> wrote:
>>>
>>> Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more d
ismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim. I susp
ect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.
>>>
>>> I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.
>>>
>>> I think I need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting
to it to check the wires.
>>>
>>> Is there a trick to this?
>>>
>>> Thanks Will
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting the trim motor out |
Nope...just the panel mount rocker.
On 13 Mar 2016 15:36, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com>
wrote:
> If you have two trim controls, one on the stick and one by the trim
> display perhaps, then there is a relay between them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2016, at 1:04 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ummm dunno. Its the stuff that came with the kit.
> Will
> On Mar 13, 2016 3:03 PM, "Kevin Klinefelter" <klinefelter.kevin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back.
>> Do you have a relay?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <
>> wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more
>> dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim. I
>> suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.
>>
>> I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.
>>
>> I think I need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting
>> to it to check the wires.
>>
>> Is there a trick to this?
>>
>> Thanks Will
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Getting the trim motor out |
It was the trim relay that caused my problem in September, google AAIB G-BX
GG for details, trim gave full back stick on take off completely uncommande
d.
Kevin what happened with yours?rgdsDavidThe other one=C2-
On Sunday, 13 March 2016, 19:59, Kevin Klinefelter <klinefelter.kevin@g
mail.com> wrote:
I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back.=C2-Do you have
a relay?
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
wrote:
Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more dis
maying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim.=C2-=C2
- I suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.I did thoroug
hly check it before i put the top on.I think I=C2- need to get the trim m
otor out as I cant see a way of getting to it to check the wires.Is there a
trick to this?Thanks Will
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| Subject: | Getting the trim motor out |
Hi! Will
I had a Ray Allen Relay deck fail on a dual trim control system. I had a
problem which wouldn=99t reverse the trim until it reached fully
trimmed nose up mode . Once trim up had been engaged it would not
reverse until the motor reached its full limit , then it would reverse.
I may add that this scenario was very hairy since the stick loads were
so intense it needed the passenger to assist. In the end I used to
allow it to go momentarily fully up without restraint , but it took some
=9Cguts=9D to allow that . You would not land the aircraft
with full trim up loads held on the control stick.( not withstanding the
loads encountered would test the controls to the limit!)
I had this issue twice and Ray Allen on both occasions claimed it to be
a wiring installation issue ......not their motor or Relay deck. On the
third occasion , I discovered that they had introduced a MK II relay
deck and on discussion with them they advised that they had discovered
an inbuilt fault in the Mark I version of the deck in that as soon as
the fault was reversed it hid the fault of failure to reverse. I had to
ask them ......they did not volunteer the information and twice actually
insisted it was a fault in my wiring
I changed the relay deck for the Mark II supplied at a discount and have
had no problem since. However not before having
=9Cpulled=9D the motor twice on wasted errands!
I had on original build predicted the necessity to remove the trim motor
and arranged it=99s mounting with =9C home brewed=9D
stiff nuts held in place specially for such a =9Cjiggery
pokery=9D issue . So you will get to change the motor with great
difficulty ! Be well advised to check out every last detail of motor
and relay deck and even change the MKI deck for a MK II as a matter of
course prior to =9Cdigging=9D the motor out !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG .
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 13 March 2016 19:14
Subject: Europa-List: Getting the trim motor out
Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more
dismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim. I
suspect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.
I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.
I think I need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting
to it to check the wires.
Is there a trick to this?
Thanks Will
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| Subject: | Re: Getting the trim motor out |
Mine just became intermittent, no uncommanded runaways.
Will, if you don't have more than just the one rocker switch then you would n
ot have a relay.
> On Mar 13, 2016, at 2:19 PM, <stranfaer@btinternet.com> <stranfaer@btinter
net.com> wrote:
>
> It was the trim relay that caused my problem in September, google AAIB G-B
XGG for details, trim gave full back stick on take off completely uncommande
d.
>
> Kevin what happened with yours?
> rgds
> David
> The other one
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 13 March 2016, 19:59, Kevin Klinefelter <klinefelter.kevin@gmai
l.com> wrote:
>
>
> I had the RayAllen relay go bad on my trim a while back.
> Do you have a relay?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 13, 2016, at 12:14 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.co
m> wrote:
>>
>> Somewhat to my dismay, (tho i dare say it would have been a little more d
ismaying in flight) I have discovered loose connection to the trim. I susp
ect the connection twixt 5 core wire and trim motor.
>> I did thoroughly check it before i put the top on.
>> I think I need to get the trim motor out as I cant see a way of getting t
o it to check the wires.
>> Is there a trick to this?
>> Thanks Will
>
>
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