---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/16/16: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:58 AM - Re: Re: Smart Ass Ordered (Nigel Graham) 2. 08:22 AM - Re: naca inlets (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 3. 09:28 AM - Seminar topic - Flying your Europa (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 4. 09:40 AM - Re: naca inlets (Rowland Carson) 5. 09:46 AM - Re: naca inlets (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 6. 10:53 AM - Re: naca inlets (Steven Pitt) 7. 01:14 PM - Re: top cowl carb air inlet (Neville Eyre) 8. 04:19 PM - Re: Electrics and Trim (carlp101) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Smart Ass Ordered From: Nigel Graham Thanks for the clarification Jacques, I can see that now, and spotted line three after I posted. I'm just about to fit a SmartAss myself so have an interest. Nigel On 15/03/2016 10:34, ploucandco wrote: > > @Nigel, red blinking is the annunciation that you are above 160knots (about Vne) for line 7. In this case, gear is up. > > When gear is down and above 80knots, line 3 becomes relevant and the annunciation is green blinking. > > So basically when something is wrong with speed/gear, you get a blinking led. > When the situation is "normal", you get a steady led: red for gear up and green for gear down. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453770#453770 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:18 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: naca inlets NACA positioning instructions attached, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2016-03-15 22:14, Steven Pitt wrote: > > There was a recommended position from Europa for the NACA vent but I can't lay my hands on it at present. From memory it was along the split line of the top and bottom of the 'canoe'. I thought it was in the Company Tech talks but I have failed to find it. > Hope this gives a pointer. > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowland Carson" > To: "Europa e-mail list list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 5:24 PM > Subject: Europa-List: naca inlets > o areas. The fitting instructions packed with the scoops (made by Ayton & Co & supplied through Aircraft Spruce) show how to fit the scoops on the inside face of the aircraft skin, but as the flange is only about 2mm recessed from the outer surface of the scoops I think it will be necessary to cut back the inner skin to allow them to sit flush with the outer skin. All input on this topic welcome! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk [2] | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson [3] > Links: ------ [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkyd4ldm1x634id/scoop_locations.jpg?dl=0 [2] http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk [3] http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson [4] http://www.buildersbooks.com [5] http://www.matronics.com/contribution [6] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [7] http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:23 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Seminar topic - Flying your Europa Those of you who attended the recent seminar at The Europa Club annual dinner may remember that Rowland said he would post the slides from my presentation o0n 'Flying your Europa' online. Having given this a bit of thought it was apparent that much of the material is already on the club website (www.theeuropaclub.org [1]) under Flying >> Flight Safety. I have done a few updates and added a section on Collision Avoidance, so that nearly all of what I covered is now freely available there. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ Links: ------ [1] http://www.theeuropaclub.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: naca inlets From: Rowland Carson On 2016-03-16, at 15:20, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > NACA positioning instructions attached, David Joyce, GXSDJ David - much obliged. Wonder why that wasnt included in my manual. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:39 AM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: naca inlets Rowland, I believe it came on a separate piece of paper with the inlets. David On 2016-03-16 16:40, Rowland Carson wrote: > > On 2016-03-16, at 15:20, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote: > >> NACA positioning instructions attached, David Joyce, GXSDJ > > David - much obliged. Wonder why that wasn't included in my manual. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > Links: ------ [1] http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk [2] http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson [3] http://www.buildersbooks.com [4] http://www.matronics.com/contribution [5] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [6] http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:18 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: naca inlets Well done David - that's what I was looking for. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: naca inlets NACA positioning instructions attached, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2016-03-15 22:14, Steven Pitt wrote: There was a recommended position from Europa for the NACA vent but I can't lay my hands on it at present. From memory it was along the split line of the top and bottom of the 'canoe'. I thought it was in the Company Tech talks but I have failed to find it. Hope this gives a pointer. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rowland Carson" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 5:24 PM Rowland Carson I can't find any mention in any of my build manuals of the NACA scoop mouldings that came with my XS kit, or how and where to fit them. I notice that other builders appear to have made their own choices of location - see the composite picture in my dropbox at: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkyd4ldm1x634id/scoop_locations.jpg?dl=0 I'd like to site my scoops in a way that makes it easy to fit eyeball vents on the inside; as the eyeball vents I've got have their own on-off control I don't plan to use the adjustment feature supplied (one of which broke anyway within minutes of unwrapping it). I'd prefer to avoid the need to construct serpentine ductwork (as related recently in The Europa Flyer) and want to keep the eyeball vents clear of my knees. I imagine that lower locations are more likely to be high-pressure and higher locations less so or even low-pressure, but I wonder if there are any real no-go areas. The fitting instructions packed with the scoops (made by Ayton & Co & supplied through Aircraft Spruce) show how to fit the scoops on the inside face of the aircraft skin, but as the flange is only about 2mm recessed from the outer surface of the scoops I think it will be necessary to cut back the inner skin to allow them to sit flush with the outer skin. All input on this topic welcome! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ============= ooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com .matronics.com/contribution ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:58 PM PST US From: Neville Eyre Subject: Re: Europa-List: top cowl carb air inlet Hi Rowland, Glad to hear you are on with it, smart thing would have been to call or ema il me directly with your question ? All pretty straight forward, no need to do any glassing / cutting of the co wls, I designed and manufactured them so you don't have to ! If it takes yo u more than a morning to fit them you are doing something wrong ! Air to the carbs is taken from under the cowl, no chance of water ingress v ia a NACA scoop when parked.. Prefered filters are the conical K&N's direct on the carbs, but the Europa airbox set up will work. The airbox / NACA se t up was needed with the standard XS cowls as it gets hotter than hell in t here with no through airflow. Air temps inside the upper cowl taken at shut down after a 2 hour flight were below ambient, nothing above the baffles go t hot enough to darken the 40 C bar on the temp' test strips. The baffles will direct cold air all the way to the rear of the cowl, and w ith the top of the tunnel gap blocked off with a baffle, little heat build up there after shutdown. Baffles also prevent the exhaust headers cooking t he fuel in the carbs. I'm sure you had copies of the baffle templates [ baffles made from soft al loy] if not I can send you a set. With this installation, you can run on th e ground at 2,000 rpm all day, and do the 5 minute WOT run for the LaaLaaLa nd pre 1st flight test without burning the cowls or chucking the coolant ov erboard [BTW use 50/50 antifreeze / water, not the ''other stuff'' ] As you only had the cowls [ not my complete kit] just follow the Europa FWF Manual as far as mounting and plumbing the engine, in the same position as the XS Europa kit. Cheers, Nev -----Original Message----- From: Rowland Carson Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2016 8:22 pm Subject: Europa-List: top cowl carb air inlet I=99ve bought Neville Eyre=99s cowl set and I am wondering how to get the air into the cowling to the plenum chamber for the carbs. The Europa manual describes making a NACA duct on the top cowl to connect t o the plenum chamber, at a marked position. If I understand the manual corr ectly, it appears that a buck or splash moulding is supplied with the facto ry cowl set. It is pushed through the cowl from the outside and the duct is laid up inside the cowl against the splash moulding. Neville has not supplied anything to make the NACA duct for the plenum cham ber. Obviously I can work out the position on the cowl from careful measure ment of the plenum relative to the firewall, but I don=99t have any i nformation or pattern for the shape and size of the NACA duct. Does anyone have one of these splash mouldings from the factory that I coul d borrow, please? I don=99t need it right now, but want to make sure I have some way of dealing with this problem when I come to it. Or, if I=99m not understanding how the NACA duct is made, can someone please explain it to me! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:42 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Electrics and Trim From: "carlp101" Hi Will, I have just gone through the rather lengthy process of fitting a full Skyview D1000T system in my Europa Tri-gear, G-URMS. It includes the auto-pilot panel. I wired the trim motor to the AP panel's D-type 15 way connector, but the panel's nose-up / nose-down buttons cannot be used to alter the pitch unless the auto-pilot is flying the plane. You need to wire the exiting trim switch to the 15 way connector too to give you the ability to manually control the pitch trim. In addition, if you want the trim gauge to work you'll need to wire it in a specific way that includes the addition of a resistor. It works a well. Email me on cparkinson@cisc-uk.com and I'll send you the details of what I did to get it working. I'm typing this on a tablet at the moment, so I don't have the information easily to hand. Regards Carl +44 7810 565195 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453831#453831 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.