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1. 03:14 AM - UK Insurance costs (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
2. 06:14 AM - Fw: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for your diaries (dpy01)
3. 06:53 AM - Fw: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for your diaries (dpy01)
4. 07:17 AM - Re: Fw: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for your diaries (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk)
5. 07:32 AM - Re: Fw: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for your diaries (Bryan Nortje)
6. 07:37 AM - Re: Fw: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for your diaries (Alan Burrill)
7. 10:55 AM - choke cable query (Rowland Carson)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: choke cable query (Alan Burrill)
9. 11:11 AM - Re: choke cable query (Pete Lawless)
10. 11:12 AM - Re: choke cable query (david park)
11. 12:15 PM - Re: choke cable query (Robert Borger)
12. 12:18 PM - Re: choke cable query (Robert Borger)
13. 06:44 PM - Engineering meeting (Steven Pitt)
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| Subject: | UK Insurance costs |
Many thanks to the 25+ who have already responded to my request for
details of current insurance details. The results make interesting
reading which will be of help to those contemplating renewal or
insurance for the first time. I shall publish the results on this forum
when further data stop coming in but it would be great to get some more
details to make the conclusions that more reliable.
For those who may have missed the original posting I am looking for UK
Europa insurance details of premium. insurer, mono/trike/taildragger,
hull value insured, hrs experience on type and single or multiple pilots
insured. Anonymity guaranteed as long as you reply to me rather than the
forum!
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
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| Subject: | Fwd: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for your |
diaries
Posted on Behalf of Chris Wheeler at Brimpton Airfield
> Here are a couple of future events for your diaries this summer.
> First is our annual Brimpton fly-in in aid of the Thames Valley and Chilte
rns Air Ambulance, which will be held on Sunday 5th June this year.
> As usual everyone is welcome and a Poster will be distributed soon.
>
> The second item is a =9Cgetting to know you=9D event, from a t
otally new organisation. You will all have heard of AOPA, LAA, BMAA and vari
ous other associations representing pilots and aircraft owners, but until no
w, the smaller airfields which provide most of the facilities that many of y
ou are likely to use regularly, have had no form of representative body. Tha
t has changed with the emergence of the Airfield Operators Group (AOG) , whi
ch is intended to give the likes of Brimpton, Popham, White Waltham and many
others a voice where one is needed. (Have you heard how many of our smaller
airfields are under threat of closure?)
> Just to get more interaction between flying members of these airfields, Mi
ke Pearson, the new manager at Popham, developed the idea of the Flyball com
petition. Details of the first of what is hoped to become an annual event ar
e on the attached flyer. The object is to collect as many numbered balls as p
ossible, from as many participating airfields as you can reach during the da
y.
>
> Each ball will have a value, from 5 to 50.
>
> You can collect one from each visited airfield.
>
> The crew collecting the highest score during the day will be the competiti
on winner.
>
> No crew can start before 1000.
>
> It will be up to each crew to decide the route they take and order in whic
h they visit each airfield. Just a hint, but you will need careful initial r
oute selection to try and collect a few high value balls, as their number wi
ll be limited.
>
> Competition finishes at Popham at 1600, to be followed by a BBQ and prize d
istribution.
>
>
> Weather permitting, this has the makings of something different, which wil
l offer a bit of a challenge, with chances to meet new people and possibly t
o visit an airfield you haven=99t been to before.
> The participating airfields will be more than those indicated on the Flyer
and I will have details of the full list before the day. Just a clue, but t
he AOG has members from Land=99s End to Rochester and Lee on Solent to
Manchester. Total of thirty two at the last count. (one in Ireland as well,
but I don=99t think they will participating in the is one!)
>
>
> Happy flying
>
> Chris Wheeler
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| Subject: | Fwd: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for your |
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> Posted on Behalf of Chris Wheeler at Brimpton Airfield
>
>> Here are a couple of future events for your diaries this summer.
>
>> First is our annual Brimpton fly-in in aid of the Thames Valley and Chilt
erns Air Ambulance, which will be held on Sunday 5th June this year.
>> As usual everyone is welcome and a Poster will be distributed soon.
>>
>> The second item is a =9Cgetting to know you=9D event, from a t
otally new organisation. You will all have heard of AOPA, LAA, BMAA and vari
ous other associations representing pilots and aircraft owners, but until no
w, the smaller airfields which provide most of the facilities that many of y
ou are likely to use regularly, have had no form of representative body. Tha
t has changed with the emergence of the Airfield Operators Group (AOG) , whi
ch is intended to give the likes of Brimpton, Popham, White Waltham and many
others a voice where one is needed. (Have you heard how many of our smaller
airfields are under threat of closure?)
>> Just to get more interaction between flying members of these airfields, M
ike Pearson, the new manager at Popham, developed the idea of the Flyball co
mpetition. Details of the first of what is hoped to become an annual event a
re on the attached flyer. The object is to collect as many numbered balls as
possible, from as many participating airfields as you can reach during the d
ay.
>>
>> Each ball will have a value, from 5 to 50.
>>
>> You can collect one from each visited airfield.
>>
>> The crew collecting the highest score during the day will be the competit
ion winner.
>>
>> No crew can start before 1000.
>>
>> It will be up to each crew to decide the route they take and order in whi
ch they visit each airfield. Just a hint, but you will need careful initial r
oute selection to try and collect a few high value balls, as their number wi
ll be limited.
>>
>> Competition finishes at Popham at 1600, to be followed by a BBQ and prize
distribution.
>>
>>
>> Weather permitting, this has the makings of something different, which wi
ll offer a bit of a challenge, with chances to meet new people and possibly t
o visit an airfield you haven=99t been to before.
>> The participating airfields will be more than those indicated on the Flye
r and I will have details of the full list before the day. Just a clue, but t
he AOG has members from Land=99s End to Rochester and Lee on Solent to
Manchester. Total of thirty two at the last count. (one in Ireland as well,
but I don=99t think they will participating in the is one!)
Details for both events can be found on our website
http://www.brimpton-airfield.co.uk/welcome
>>
>>
>> Happy flying
>>
>> Chris Wheeler
> <Flyball Flyer.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for |
your diaries
I am either getting past it or you have not included a date for the
Flyball event. (Nor yet on the Brimpton site)Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2016-04-06 14:52, dpy01 wrote:
> Posted on Behalf of Chris Wheeler at Brimpton Airfield
>
> Here are a couple of future events for your diaries this summer.
>
> First is our annual Brimpton fly-in in aid of the Thames Valley and Chilterns
Air Ambulance, which will be held on Sunday 5th June this year.
>
> As usual everyone is welcome and a Poster will be distributed soon.
>
> The second item is a "getting to know you" event, from a totally new organisation.
You will all have heard of AOPA, LAA, BMAA and various other associations
representing pilots and aircraft owners, but until now, the smaller airfields
which provide most of the facilities that many of you are likely to use regularly,
have had no form of representative body. That has changed with the emergence
of the Airfield Operators Group (AOG) , which is intended to give the likes
of Brimpton, Popham, White Waltham and many others a voice where one is needed.
(Have you heard how many of our smaller airfields are under threat of closure?)
>
> Just to get more interaction between flying members of these airfields, Mike
Pearson, the new manager at Popham, developed the idea of the Flyball competition.
Details of the first of what is hoped to become an annual event are on the
attached flyer. The object is to collect as many numbered balls as possible,
from as many participating airfields as you can reach during the day.
>
> Each ball will have a value, from 5 to 50.
>
> You can collect one from each visited airfield.
>
> The crew collecting the highest score during the day will be the competition
winner.
>
> No crew can start before 1000.
>
> It will be up to each crew to decide the route they take and order in which they
visit each airfield. Just a hint, but you will need careful initial route
selection to try and collect a few high value balls, as their number will be limited.
>
> Competition finishes at Popham at 1600, to be followed by a BBQ and prize distribution.
>
> Weather permitting, this has the makings of something different, which will offer
a bit of a challenge, with chances to meet new people and possibly to visit
an airfield you haven't been to before.
>
> The participating airfields will be more than those indicated on the Flyer and
I will have details of the full list before the day. Just a clue, but the AOG
has members from Land's End to Rochester and Lee on Solent to Manchester. Total
of thirty two at the last count. (one in Ireland as well, but I don't think
they will participating in the is one!)
Details for both events can be found on our website
http://www.brimpton-airfield.co.uk/welcome [1]
>> Happy flying
>>
>> Chris Wheeler
> <Flyball Flyer.pdf>
>
Links:
------
[1] http://www.brimpton-airfield.co.uk/welcome
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for |
your diaries
5th June
Sent from my iPhone
> On 6 Apr 2016, at 15:14, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
>
> I am either getting past it or you have not included a date for the Flybal
l event. (Nor yet on the Brimpton site)Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>
>
>
>
>> On 2016-04-06 14:52, dpy01 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Posted on Behalf of Chris Wheeler at Brimpton Airfield
>>>
>>>> Here are a couple of future events for your diaries this summer.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> First is our annual Brimpton fly-in in aid of the Thames Valley and Chi
lterns Air Ambulance, which will be held on Sunday 5th June this year.
>>>>
>>>> As usual everyone is welcome and a Poster will be distributed soon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The second item is a "getting to know you" event, from a totally new or
ganisation. You will all have heard of AOPA, LAA, BMAA and various other ass
ociations representing pilots and aircraft owners, but until now, the smalle
r airfields which provide most of the facilities that many of you are likely
to use regularly, have had no form of representative body. That has changed
with the emergence of the Airfield Operators Group (AOG) , which is intende
d to give the likes of Brimpton, Popham, White Waltham and many others a voi
ce where one is needed. (Have you heard how many of our smaller airfields ar
e under threat of closure?)
>>>>
>>>> Just to get more interaction between flying members of these airfields,
Mike Pearson, the new manager at Popham, developed the idea of the Flyball c
ompetition. Details of the first of what is hoped to become an annual event a
re on the attached flyer. The object is to collect as many numbered balls as
possible, from as many participating airfields as you can reach during the d
ay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Each ball will have a value, from 5 to 50.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can collect one from each visited airfield.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The crew collecting the highest score during the day will be the compet
ition winner.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No crew can start before 1000.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It will be up to each crew to decide the route they take and order in w
hich they visit each airfield. Just a hint, but you will need careful initia
l route selection to try and collect a few high value balls, as their number
will be limited.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Competition finishes at Popham at 1600, to be followed by a BBQ and pri
ze distribution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Weather permitting, this has the makings of something different, which w
ill offer a bit of a challenge, with chances to meet new people and possibly
to visit an airfield you haven't been to before.
>>>>
>>>> The participating airfields will be more than those indicated on the Fl
yer and I will have details of the full list before the day. Just a clue, bu
t the AOG has members from Land's End to Rochester and Lee on Solent to Manc
hester. Total of thirty two at the last count. (one in Ireland as well, but I
don't think they will participating in the is one!)
>>>>
>>
>> Details for both events can be found on our website
>>
>> http://www.brimpton-airfield.co.uk/welcome
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Happy flying
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Wheeler
>>>>
>>> <Flyball Flyer.pdf>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Brimpton Fly-in and a new flying competition for |
your diaries
Thanks David, I have updated the information below to include the Fylball ev
ent date of Saturday 7th May 2016.
Alan Burrill
> On 6 Apr 2016, at 15:14, davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk wrote:
> I am either getting past it or you have not included a date for the Flybal
l event. (Nor yet on the Brimpton site)Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
>> On 2016-04-06 14:52, dpy01 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Posted on Behalf of Chris Wheeler at Brimpton Airfield
>>> Here are a couple of future events for your diaries this summer.
>>>> First is our annual Brimpton fly-in in aid of the Thames Valley and Chi
lterns Air Ambulance, which will be held on Sunday 5th June this year.
>>>>
>>>> As usual everyone is welcome and a Poster will be distributed soon.
>>>>
The Second event is the Flyball Event on the 7th May 2016 and Brimpton is on
e of the many small airfields taking part. Details below or on our website.
>>>> The Flyball event is a "getting to know you" event, from a totally new o
rganisation. You will all have heard of AOPA, LAA, BMAA and various other as
sociations representing pilots and aircraft owners, but until now, the small
er airfields which provide most of the facilities that many of you are likel
y to use regularly, have had no form of representative body. That has change
d with the emergence of the Airfield Operators Group (AOG) , which is intend
ed to give the likes of Brimpton, Popham, White Waltham and many others a vo
ice where one is needed. (Have you heard how many of our smaller airfields a
re under threat of closure?)
>>>>
>>>> Just to get more interaction between flying members of these airfields,
Mike Pearson, the new manager at Popham, developed the idea of the Flyball c
ompetition. Details of the first of what is hoped to become an annual event a
re on the attached flyer. The object is to collect as many numbered balls as
possible, from as many participating airfields as you can reach during the d
ay.
>>>>
>>>> Each ball will have a value, from 5 to 50.
>>>>
>>>> You can collect one from each visited airfield.
>>>>
>>>> The crew collecting the highest score during the day will be the compet
ition winner.
>>>>
>>>> No crew can start before 1000.
>>>>
>>>> It will be up to each crew to decide the route they take and order in w
hich they visit each airfield. Just a hint, but you will need careful initia
l route selection to try and collect a few high value balls, as their number
will be limited.
>>>>
>>>> Competition finishes at Popham at 1600, to be followed by a BBQ and pri
ze distribution.
>>>>
>>>> Weather permitting, this has the makings of something different, which w
ill offer a bit of a challenge, with chances to meet new people and possibly
to visit an airfield you haven't been to before.
>>>>
>>>> The participating airfields will be more than those indicated on the Fl
yer and I will have details of the full list before the day. Just a clue, bu
t the AOG has members from Land's End to Rochester and Lee on Solent to Manc
hester. Total of thirty two at the last count. (one in Ireland as well, but I
don't think they will participating in the is one!)
>>>>
>> Details for both events can be found on our website
>>
>> http://www.brimpton-airfield.co.uk/welcome
>>>> Happy flying
>>>>
>>>> Chris Wheeler.
>>>>
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| Subject: | choke cable query |
Ive got to the stage of hanging my Rotax 912ULS engine on my Europa XS monowheel
fuselage, just to check how and where various things will fit and where holes
have to be made in the firewall, etc. (The firewall is not yet fitted at this
stage and the engine will be coming off again later to fit that.)
Ive connected the choke cables to the carbs but am puzzled by the resulting action
at the knob. It seems to need quite a bit of effort to pull it out, and it
will not stay in the out (ie choke on) position, but slides back in to almost
the rest position immediately.
I routed the cables the same way as the throttle cables, through the small gap
between the top tube of the landing gear frame and the corner of the phenolic
firewall, and they seem quite comfortable there. I have fitted the SkyDrive carb
heaters which move the carbs aftwards a little, but I don't think that has
a significant effect on the cable routing.
I had to snip a tiny bit off the stiff soldered ends of the cable inners in order
to persuade them round the right-angle guide on the carbs, but otherwise I
believe I have followed the manual exactly.
Is it intended that the choke knob has to be held out manually? Or is there some
trick Ive missed?
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: choke cable query |
On my Tri-Gear the Choke also slides back in and I hold it out during start and
warm up. slowly letting it go back in as the engine warms and no choke required.
If it locked out would that potentially give you a full choke out if you forgot
to release it and push back in?
Mine also requires effort to pull out which I again perceive as no great problem
providing you keep the cable lubricated and its not due to chafing.
Alan
G-OBJT
> On 6 Apr 2016, at 18:53, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ive got to the stage of hanging my Rotax 912ULS engine on my Europa XS monowheel
fuselage, just to check how and where various things will fit and where holes
have to be made in the firewall, etc. (The firewall is not yet fitted at this
stage and the engine will be coming off again later to fit that.)
>
> Ive connected the choke cables to the carbs but am puzzled by the resulting action
at the knob. It seems to need quite a bit of effort to pull it out, and
it will not stay in the out (ie choke on) position, but slides back in to almost
the rest position immediately.
>
> I routed the cables the same way as the throttle cables, through the small gap
between the top tube of the landing gear frame and the corner of the phenolic
firewall, and they seem quite comfortable there. I have fitted the SkyDrive
carb heaters which move the carbs aftwards a little, but I don't think that has
a significant effect on the cable routing.
>
> I had to snip a tiny bit off the stiff soldered ends of the cable inners in order
to persuade them round the right-angle guide on the carbs, but otherwise
I believe I have followed the manual exactly.
>
> Is it intended that the choke knob has to be held out manually? Or is there some
trick Ive missed?
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: choke cable query |
No Roland you have not missed anything. You hold the choke with one
hand while pressing the starter with your second hand and holding the
stick back with your third.
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
On 06/04/16 18:53, Rowland Carson wrote:
>
> Ive got to the stage of hanging my Rotax 912ULS engine on my Europa XS monowheel
fuselage, just to check how and where various things will fit and where holes
have to be made in the firewall, etc. (The firewall is not yet fitted at this
stage and the engine will be coming off again later to fit that.)
>
> Ive connected the choke cables to the carbs but am puzzled by the resulting action
at the knob. It seems to need quite a bit of effort to pull it out, and
it will not stay in the out (ie choke on) position, but slides back in to almost
the rest position immediately.
>
> I routed the cables the same way as the throttle cables, through the small gap
between the top tube of the landing gear frame and the corner of the phenolic
firewall, and they seem quite comfortable there. I have fitted the SkyDrive
carb heaters which move the carbs aftwards a little, but I don't think that has
a significant effect on the cable routing.
>
> I had to snip a tiny bit off the stiff soldered ends of the cable inners in order
to persuade them round the right-angle guide on the carbs, but otherwise
I believe I have followed the manual exactly.
>
> Is it intended that the choke knob has to be held out manually? Or is there some
trick Ive missed?
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: choke cable query |
You only have to hold out for 10-15 seconds and slowly change to low throttle setting!
Dave G-LDVO
Sent from my iPhone
> On 6 Apr 2016, at 18:53, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ive got to the stage of hanging my Rotax 912ULS engine on my Europa XS monowheel
fuselage, just to check how and where various things will fit and where holes
have to be made in the firewall, etc. (The firewall is not yet fitted at this
stage and the engine will be coming off again later to fit that.)
>
> Ive connected the choke cables to the carbs but am puzzled by the resulting action
at the knob. It seems to need quite a bit of effort to pull it out, and
it will not stay in the out (ie choke on) position, but slides back in to almost
the rest position immediately.
>
> I routed the cables the same way as the throttle cables, through the small gap
between the top tube of the landing gear frame and the corner of the phenolic
firewall, and they seem quite comfortable there. I have fitted the SkyDrive
carb heaters which move the carbs aftwards a little, but I don't think that has
a significant effect on the cable routing.
>
> I had to snip a tiny bit off the stiff soldered ends of the cable inners in order
to persuade them round the right-angle guide on the carbs, but otherwise
I believe I have followed the manual exactly.
>
> Is it intended that the choke knob has to be held out manually? Or is there some
trick Ive missed?
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: choke cable query |
Rowland,
FWIW. That is the way my Choke has operated from day one.
I hold the choke out when starting cold. Use the throttle to set about 2000-2200
RPM to warm up. Then, continuing to hold the Choke knob, allow it to slowly
retreat to maintain that 2000-2200 RPM as the engine warms and RPM slowly increases.
Kind of gives me something to do while monitoring Oil Pressure, Oil Temp,
Coolant Temp, CHT & EGT while warming the engine. My Choke will hold with
about 1/4 of travel remaining. I have to be on the throttle when I push it
in that last quarter inch as the engine RPM will drop quite a bit and I have to
add throttle to get it back above 1800 RPM.
I dont know of any means of increasing friction in the cable system to allow the
cable to hold against the springs on the carbs.
Hope this helps. Maybe someone else can come up with a better idea.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (85 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Apr 6, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> wrote:
Ive got to the stage of hanging my Rotax 912ULS engine on my Europa XS monowheel
fuselage, just to check how and where various things will fit and where holes
have to be made in the firewall, etc. (The firewall is not yet fitted at this
stage and the engine will be coming off again later to fit that.)
Ive connected the choke cables to the carbs but am puzzled by the resulting action
at the knob. It seems to need quite a bit of effort to pull it out, and it
will not stay in the out (ie choke on) position, but slides back in to almost
the rest position immediately.
I routed the cables the same way as the throttle cables, through the small gap
between the top tube of the landing gear frame and the corner of the phenolic
firewall, and they seem quite comfortable there. I have fitted the SkyDrive carb
heaters which move the carbs aftwards a little, but I don't think that has
a significant effect on the cable routing.
I had to snip a tiny bit off the stiff soldered ends of the cable inners in order
to persuade them round the right-angle guide on the carbs, but otherwise I
believe I have followed the manual exactly.
Is it intended that the choke knob has to be held out manually? Or is there some
trick Ive missed?
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: choke cable query |
Pete,
And dont forget the throttle with your fourth hand!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Apr 6, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
No Roland you have not missed anything. You hold the choke with one hand while
pressing the starter with your second hand and holding the stick back with your
third.
Pete
G-RMAC Classic #109
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| Subject: | Engineering meeting |
In case anyone has missed the news at SunnFun there will be an engineering meeting
at the usual venue (Hooters) tomorrow evening around 6.00pm.
Meet at N55 at Lakeland around 5.00 if you need transport.
Regards
Steve Pitt
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