---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/10/16: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:18 AM - Wiring schedule? (Clive Sutton) 2. 06:27 AM - Re: Wiring schedule? (Rowland Carson) 3. 06:54 AM - Re: Wiring schedule? (Clive Sutton) 4. 07:02 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (dpy01) 5. 07:11 AM - Re: Wiring schedule? (Clive Sutton) 6. 07:49 AM - Trike Axle Diameter? (david park) 7. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (Rowland Carson) 8. 08:38 AM - Re: Wiring schedule? (Clive Sutton) 9. 10:44 AM - Tailplane Slop (Roger Sheridan) 10. 10:52 AM - Re: Tailplane Slop (Donald Cameron) 11. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (Rowland Carson) 12. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (Alan Burrill) 13. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (Robert Borger) 14. 06:51 PM - Wiring panel (William Daniell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wiring schedule? From: "Clive Sutton" Hi, does anyone have a Europa wiring schedule based on the manual electical layout but in a layout package like ExpressSCH or DesignSpark Electrical (or any other package)? I'm ready to pay for it . . . Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454774#454774 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wiring schedule? From: Rowland Carson On 2016-04-10, at 12:17, Clive Sutton wrote: > Hi, does anyone have a Europa wiring schedule based on the manual electical layout but in a layout package like ExpressSCH or DesignSpark Electrical (or any other package)? I'm ready to pay for it . . . Clive - Im not quite sure what you mean by a wiring schedule, and Ive never heard of the tools you mention, but I wonder if either of the documents you can find at: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/wirebook.php would be helpful to you. These are PDF documents, but I imagine you would want to edit them for your own use, so would need the source files from which they were produced. I made the wiring diagrams in the CAD application CADintosh (Mac-only); they can be exported as .DXF which should be readable by most drawing applications. (NB DXF does not support all entities that can be created in CADintosh so there could be some differences in appearance.) CADintosh can also export IGES and HPGL but I suspect those formats are less likely to be of use in your context. I made the list of wires in FileMaker Pro (runs on Mac & Windows); if you dont have FMP, I can make an export from it in tab-text, CSV, DBF, merge, HTML table, XML (specify your .XSL stylesheet) or .xlsx spreadsheet format. Hope this goes some way to answering your question, but please get back to me if you need more info. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:52 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: "Clive Sutton" Hi Rowland, Thanks for your prompt reply and info. By schedule i mean the kind of wiring diagram one would find in your Haynes Manual for your car - a graphic depicting the wiring layout rather than lists (though they are fine of course). ExpressSCH (http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch) and DesignSpark electrical (http://www.rs-online.com/designspark/automation/designspark-electrical) are CAD-based tools one would use to create these layouts. What i am after is a layout in one of these (or other similar free package tools) as a starting point based upon the generic electrical layut in the manual - that i could then extend. If the list you linked for me has a CAD/DXF or other format data file that shows the layout/connections etc, that could really help me. regards, Clive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454777#454777 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:27 AM PST US From: dpy01 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? What about the one in the build manual. That covers all the basics and gas a similar layout to the car type your speaking off. Alan G-OBJT Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Apr 2016, at 14:54, Clive Sutton wrote: > > > Hi Rowland, > > Thanks for your prompt reply and info. > > By schedule i mean the kind of wiring diagram one would find in your Haynes Manual for your car - a graphic depicting the wiring layout rather than lists (though they are fine of course). > > ExpressSCH (http://www.expresspcb.com/expresssch) and DesignSpark electrical (http://www.rs-online.com/designspark/automation/designspark-electrical) are CAD-based tools one would use to create these layouts. > > What i am after is a layout in one of these (or other similar free package tools) as a starting point based upon the generic electrical layut in the manual - that i could then extend. > > If the list you linked for me has a CAD/DXF or other format data file that shows the layout/connections etc, that could really help me. > > regards, > > Clive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454777#454777 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:59 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: "Clive Sutton" Hello Alan, The reason for my ask is that the schematic in the manual is generic, only in paper format and not specific to my aircraft. When it is finished i want to have a set of documents that give the precise detail of how it is wired up. Clive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454780#454780 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:16 AM PST US From: david park Subject: Europa-List: Trike Axle Diameter? I am making a device to ease the Trike wheel removal in case of punture. I just need the axle diameter. I am at home in workshop at moment, does anyone have a record of this dia.? Thanks Dave G-LDVO ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: Rowland Carson On 2016-04-10, at 14:54, Clive Sutton wrote: > If the list you linked for me has a CAD/DXF or other format data file that shows the layout/connections etc, that could really help me. Clive - have a look at the PDF wirebook at the URL I posted and let me know which pages youd like as DXF files. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:27 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: "Clive Sutton" Hi Rowland, Could you email me your first page and i can see how that loads/looks like? Unfortunately i can't seem to see to view whole wirebook PDF - it starts but then hangs on my PC. My email is clive.maf@googlemail.com thanks in anticipation Clive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454792#454792 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:30 AM PST US From: Roger Sheridan Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Slop In case anyone else is experiencing tailplane play, I have just completed & can recommend LAA mod 11969. http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/11969-TTpins.pdf It replaces the pins with AN4 bolts, cuddle washers outside & a curved strip with anchor nuts on the inside. Ian Rickard compiled a list of over a dozen fixes & I felt this was the best choice for me. Many thanks to him & also Richard Collings the designer. If anybody wishes to discus the nitty gritty, please give me a call. Cheers, Roger 07540 854867 http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/11969-TTpins.pdf ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Slop From: Donald Cameron Hi Roger I installed this mod when i built my aircraft, to me this was the best solut ion for removing the slop in the tail planes. Like you I would recommend this to others. I'm just about to be involved with another build and this mod will also be i ncorporated into this other aircraft. Kind regards Donald G-PUPY. Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Apr 2016, at 18:43, Roger Sheridan wrote: > > In case anyone else is experiencing tailplane play, I have just completed & can recommend LAA mod 11969. > > http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/11969-TTpins.pdf > > It replaces the pins with AN4 bolts, cuddle washers outside & a curved str ip with anchor nuts on the inside. > > Ian Rickard compiled a list of over a dozen fixes & I felt this was the be st choice for me. > > Many thanks to him & also Richard Collings the designer. > > If anybody wishes to discus the nitty gritty, please give me a call. > > Cheers, > > Roger > > 07540 854867 > > > > > > > http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/11969-TTpins.pdf ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: Rowland Carson On 2016-04-10, at 16:37, Clive Sutton wrote: > Unfortunately i can't seem to see to view whole wirebook PDF - it starts but then hangs on my PC. Please can anyone else having trouble seeing or downloading the PDF of the wirebook on my website build journal at: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/wirebook.php contact me direct at rowlandcarson@gmail.com. Id like to know if theres something I need to fix for the majority of viewers or if Clives is an isolated problem. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:01:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: Alan Burrill Rowland just tried on the `MAC and it hangs here as well. No download. Alan > On 10 Apr 2016, at 18:54, Rowland Carson wrote: > > > On 2016-04-10, at 16:37, Clive Sutton wrote: > >> Unfortunately i can't seem to see to view whole wirebook PDF - it starts but then hangs on my PC. > > Please can anyone else having trouble seeing or downloading the PDF of the wirebook on my website build journal at: > > http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/wirebook.php > > contact me direct at rowlandcarson@gmail.com. > > Id like to know if theres something I need to fix for the majority of viewers or if Clives is an isolated problem. > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: Robert Borger Rowland, I tried to download both PDFs shown on the page and neither one would download. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Apr 10, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Rowland Carson wrote: On 2016-04-10, at 16:37, Clive Sutton wrote: > Unfortunately i can't seem to see to view whole wirebook PDF - it starts but then hangs on my PC. Please can anyone else having trouble seeing or downloading the PDF of the wirebook on my website build journal at: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/wirebook.php contact me direct at rowlandcarson@gmail.com. Id like to know if theres something I need to fix for the majority of viewers or if Clives is an isolated problem. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:26 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wiring panel From: William Daniell Is there any reason why i cant use the 30amp breaker (load terminal) as a mini bus to power the stuff in my panel? It seems easier to hang the electrical loads directly off this rather then take the power to a bus and then back to the panel. 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