---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/11/16: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:18 AM - Re: UK Insurance costs (Ian Cook) 2. 04:12 AM - Re: Trike Axle Diameter? (SPURPURA) 3. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (Paul Mansfield) 4. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Trike Axle Diameter? (david park) 5. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (Rowland Carson) 6. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Wiring schedule? (Robert Borger) 7. 12:03 PM - Spin characteristics (graeme bird) 8. 01:04 PM - Re: Spin characteristics (GRAHAM SINGLETON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:30 AM PST US From: Ian Cook Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Insurance costs David, G-CBHI Sydney Charles at =C2=A31069 agreed hull value of =C2=A345k; please note this includes both the XS and Motor glider wings and trailer for MG and 3 named pilots. Regards Ian Cook From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Sent: 03 April 2016 11:58 Subject: Europa-List: UK Insurance costs On behalf of the club committee I am hoping to put together data on insurance costs in the UK. I shall plan to publish the details on the forum, in a totally anonymous tabulated form. If enough of you respond this should give us a good comparison of relative costs for trike vs mono and provide a norm for a given hull value, allowing individuals to see whether their insurer is offering a reasonable deal. It might also form a basis for starting a Europa Club sponsored insurance deal. What I would like PLEASE is for all UK based Europa owners to send me: Current premium; insured hull value; insurer; plane configuration; hours europa flying; single insured or group? I undertake to treat all such info in total confidence and to pass on only anonymised details. PLEASE REPLY TO MY PERSONAL EMAIL davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk or send anonymous info to my address: Stone Mill, Woodford, Berkeley, GL13 9JU if you prefer. Withs thanks in anticipation, David Joyce, GXSDJ PS for what it is worth I am happy to provide my own details: =C2=A31000, =C2=A342,000, Haywards, Mono, 1100hrs, single. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Trike Axle Diameter? From: "SPURPURA" I use a 3/4" x 12" steel rod inserted into the axle to pull the wheel off. -------- I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LABOTAMY. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454827#454827 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:46 AM PST US From: Paul Mansfield Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? Works fine for me - PC, Windows 7 Pro, Chrome, Adobe Pro. Result attach=C3=A9. Rgds, Paul M Kit 383 XS Mono 912S -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: 10 April 2016 18:55 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? --> On 2016-04-10, at 16:37, Clive Sutton wrote: > Unfortunately i can't seem to see to view whole wirebook PDF - it starts but then hangs on my PC. Please can anyone else having trouble seeing or downloading the PDF of the wirebook on my website build journal at: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/wirebook.php contact me direct at rowlandcarson@gmail.com. I=99d like to know if there=99s something I need to fix for the majority of viewers or if Clive=99s is an isolated problem. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Trike Axle Diameter? From: david park Yes i plan using 3/4" 1/16" wall 4130 tube and a 1" thick shaped ply to support while wheel is off. Keeping light weight for touring. Have not tried to check if tube strong enough yet. Dave G-LDVO Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Apr 2016, at 12:11, SPURPURA wrote: > > > I use a 3/4" x 12" steel rod inserted into the axle to pull the wheel off. > > -------- > I'D RATHER HAVE A BOTTLE IN FRONT OF ME THAN A FRONTAL LABOTAMY. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454827#454827 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: Rowland Carson On 2016-04-10, at 16:37, Clive Sutton wrote: > Unfortunately i can't seem to see to view whole wirebook PDF - it starts but then hangs on my PC. Clive, and all those who responded - thanks for your time and trouble, and Im sorry I gave you such bother! Its working fine today, but when I tried that page myself yesterday it took forever to download. Several other pages of the website were extremely slow to respond, and I couldnt even get ftp access to it at one point. It appears that it was a temporary problem at my hosting company (although another site they host was not affected). It seems it was just bad luck that the site had a problem at the very time when I pointed Clive to it. I do apologise for all the fuss! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wiring schedule? From: Robert Borger Rowland, Downloaded to my Mac this morning. Works just fine! Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs). Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Apr 11, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Rowland Carson wrote: On 2016-04-10, at 16:37, Clive Sutton wrote: > Unfortunately i can't seem to see to view whole wirebook PDF - it starts but then hangs on my PC. Clive, and all those who responded - thanks for your time and trouble, and Im sorry I gave you such bother! Its working fine today, but when I tried that page myself yesterday it took forever to download. Several other pages of the website were extremely slow to respond, and I couldnt even get ftp access to it at one point. It appears that it was a temporary problem at my hosting company (although another site they host was not affected). It seems it was just bad luck that the site had a problem at the very time when I pointed Clive to it. I do apologise for all the fuss! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:44 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Spin characteristics From: "graeme bird" I've decided to get some aerobatic training just for fun and so have been reading the Kershner basic aerobatic manual. The section on spinning talks about the characteristics of some planes to go flat and recovery being dependent on various hard to predict factors; altitude/pressure as well as plane design. Does anyone spin the mono outside of UK and have any comment. While searching for info, I have seen one or two accounts on here of accidental incipient spin. They have made we think I should make sure my payload (e.g for permit flight test) is better secured than dumped on the seat if a wing drop could send me inverted. I was busy fitting my Smart Ass 3 at the strip the other day when my hangar neighbour remarked that he dropped a wing and rolled out of the circuit on base leg in a Brezzer after a 6 hour flight to an unfamiliar strip - lucky to survive I should think. Easy to do though especially if you are turning across a stiff breeze. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454844#454844 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:15 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spin characteristics I have spun several early Classic Europas, during test flying for Permit to Fly. The Classic can bite, clean the spin may be relatively benign but sev eral had a vicious wing drop flaps down.Imho it may be due to inaccuracy of the leading edge of the wing which is critical on Don's excellent airfoil. We were not given accurate coordinates for the section with the plans but l ater on they did become available. Sanding the wings to + or - .010"over th e first 12" of chord does give a much more benign stall.Fitting the now man datory stall strips also tames the stall. Graham On Monday, 11 April 2016, 20:06, graeme bird wrote : I've decided to get some aerobatic training just for fun and so have been r eading the Kershner basic aerobatic manual. The section on spinning talks a bout the characteristics of some planes to go flat and recovery being depen dent on various hard to predict factors; altitude/pressure as well as plane design. Does anyone spin the mono outside of UK and have any comment. Whil e searching for info, I have seen one or two accounts on here of accidental incipient spin. They have made we think I should make sure my payload (e.g for permit flight test) is better secured than dumped on the seat if a win g drop could send me inverted. I was busy fitting my Smart Ass 3 at the strip the other day when my hangar neighbour remarked that he dropped a wing and rolled out of the circuit on base leg in a Brezzer after a 6 hour flight to an unfamiliar strip - lucky to survive I should think. Easy to do though especially if you are turning across a stiff breeze. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FFW 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 200 hours 4 years on the Mono g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=454844#454844 =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. 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