---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/16/16: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:39 AM - Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS (Peter Jeffers) 2. 05:22 AM - 914 Engine Mount Bolts (spcialeffects) 3. 05:32 AM - Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS (jonathanmilbank) 4. 06:26 AM - Re: Tri-gear wheel source? (Bud Yerly) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: 914 Engine Mount Bolts (GTH) 6. 07:14 AM - Re: 914 Engine Mount Bolts (spcialeffects) 7. 07:38 AM - Re: Engine Bay Heat Barrier and cockpit ventillation (Bud Yerly) 8. 07:57 AM - Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS (JonSmith) 9. 08:18 AM - Re: 914 Engine Mount Bolts (spcialeffects) 10. 08:20 AM - Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS (jonathanmilbank) 11. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: 914 Engine Mount Bolts (GTH) 12. 12:23 PM - Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS (rampil) 13. 03:07 PM - What navigation software to use for Europe and France? (John Archer) 14. 03:24 PM - Re: What navigation software to use for Europe and =?UTF-8?Q?France=3F? (davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk) 15. 11:47 PM - Re: What navigation software to use for Europe and France? (Alain Chabert) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:59 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS Hi Johnathan Unless something has changed very recently the CAA/LAA will require a minimum of backup ASi ALT and compass. The only exception to these rules is if the a/c is classed as a microlight, then there are no such requirements. Do with that info as you will. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonathanmilbank Sent: 15 April 2016 22:03 Subject: Europa-List: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS --> A friend has asked me to perform the flight tests for the initial permit issue for a nice little 2-seat VLA and he seems only to have an EFIS with little else by way of "steam-driven" instruments for VFR back-up. The only photo I've seen doesn't show the panel clearly. As a retired commercial pilot, it seems to me that permit light aircraft should be subject to the same requirements as certified VFR aircraft i.e. a bare minimum of ASI, altimeter and magnetic compass. I've seen CS-VLA 1303 Flight and navigation instruments "The following are required flight and navigational instruments: (a) An airspeed indicator; (b) An altimeter; (c) A magnetic direction indicator" but I can't see any reference to whether this applies to permit aircraft, or whether an EFIS alone is enough. What should I do? Decline to carry out the flight tests until suitable back-ups are installed, or just do the flights and hope that the friend (trainee pilot) has researched this topic for himself and satisfies whatever requirements he's discovered? His aircraft is several hundreds of miles away from where I live Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455068#455068 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: 914 Engine Mount Bolts From: "spcialeffects" Calling all rotax 914'ers! So today was very chuffed to be moving onto a new part of the manuel, hanging the engine. However ran into a problem straight away. The lower STBD bolt, that they tell you cut to 95mm and grind a flat in the head, How do you get it in????? Firstly now iv trimmed it to 95mm, once the nut is on, there is 1/2 to 1 tread poking out but more importantly when you try to put it in from above the turbo the angle it is as there is no way its going in! The curved casting of the turbo keeps the bolt at an angle. Any input is appreciated. Many thanks Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455086#455086 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:08 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS From: "jonathanmilbank" Hi Pete, Thanks for confirming this. It would be good if I could discover the reference in print from the LAA. Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455087#455087 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:03 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tri-gear wheel source? Rick, Go onto my www.customflightcreations.com site and hit the techniques articles and download the pdf on spare parts. Everything from fuel to gear. Other stuff their too. Somebody should do the same type list for Europe. Regards, Bud Yerly -----Original Message----- From: Rick Moss Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:04 AM Subject: Europa-List: Tri-gear wheel source? Hi all, Maintenance has just revealed a crack in one of the disk lugs of a main wheel on my Trigear. My preference would be to buy one from Europa, but they're closed for 2 weeks; does anybody know the Matco part details, as I believe they make them? I don't want to be grounded for that long! Thanks, Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455010#455010 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 Engine Mount Bolts From: GTH Le 16/04/2016 14:21, spcialeffects a crit : > > Calling all rotax 914'ers! So today was very chuffed to be moving onto a new part of the manuel, hanging the engine. However ran into a problem straight away. The lower STBD bolt, that they tell you cut to 95mm and grind a flat in the head, How do you get it in????? Firstly now iv trimmed it to 95mm, once the nut is on, there is 1/2 to 1 tread poking out but more importantly when you try to put it in from above the turbo the angle it is as there is no way its going in! The curved casting of the turbo keeps the bolt at an angle. Any input is appreciated. Many thanks Frank > > Franck, Not sure exactly what bolt you are talking about, engine to ring or ring to engine mount or else, maybe your are refering to some particular Europa manual or something else. Two things could help : - The official Rotax installation manual is downloadable from the Internet - If your setup is different from the Rotax standards, why not just temporarily remove the turbo elbow which seems to be in the way ? FWIW -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 Engine Mount Bolts From: "spcialeffects" Hi Gilles, thanks for the reply. the bolt I'm having trouble with is the STBD lower ring mount to europa engine frame. The one they tell you to fit the opposite to the other 3. The only way i thing i can fit it is to take off the whole exhaust system OR just take off the muffler and turbo at the square flange. Was just wanting to hear how others had done it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455096#455096 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:06 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Bay Heat Barrier and cockpit ventillation In my opinion, heat barrier of the =93works on my home heater unit=94 should be thought out a bit more for an aircraft. A common glue on heat barrier material using aluminum and a fuzzy material on the back pasted on with a silicon type glue burned very well when exposed to direct flame. And it would not self extinguish. Test before you install. I use the firewall '2000 barrier which is much better than any other product. The firewall aluminum/fiberfax/stainless sandwich material available from aircraft spruce is marvelous for a firewall. As far as our phenolic firewall, I put a torch to our resin firewall some years ago and was astonished that it only charred and did not burn or melt. 1000 F for about 5 minutes. Pretty good stuff. My recollection is that it should only be good to about 750 before breakdown. It does transfer heat though. On the 912S I have never found it a problem. On the 914, even in Florida, proper ventilation had meant a comfortable cockpit. However, on one clients aircraft, I did add a simple .016 in stainless reflector sheet shaped to the pilot foot well face and mounted it with 3/16 inch spacers holding it off a bit to provide dead airspace as the customer complained his feet were warm. I flew the airplane in mid summer for about 10 hours and found it was more comfortable, but he was enthusiastic that the heat reflector was perfect for him. I didn=92t feel that the cost of firewall material was necessary in this case, and the stainless sheet is inexpensive (for an aircraft), and very attractive. On the subject of cockpit ventilation: The =93Ultimate Ventilator=94 is the unit I use most. I have found that if you have a short exhaust pipe out of your cowl (Rotax), the vents need to be above the hull halves. My trigear on a 75 knot climb using AV gas leaves a bit of a gray exhaust plume on the fuselage and the NACA vent placed any lower than 6 inches below the glass edge tends to allow a whiff of exhaust in the aircraft. Those of you with very long pipes exiting the cowl may not experience this. My NACA ducts placed per the Classic ideas days which placed it down about 6 inches below the glass to avoid the knees, must be left closed during climb out. In cruise it is acceptable, but frankly are never used. The Ultimate Ventilators can be aimed to deflect the incoming air directly to the pilot and passenger. I place the Ultimate ventilators in either the corner of the windscreen glass about 1 inch from the edges knob pointing aft of course. It requires courage to drill the glass but is fairly easy to do. Practice on plexiglass to get the drill speed right. A number of folks have seen mine in 12AY, and all of my build assists. It is not rocket science. In new builds I place the vent in the area just below the windscreen. Place it far enough forward to be usable around the canopy bow. These Ultimate Ventilators keep me cool even in the hottest stickiest days at low altitude in Florida. More importantly, my wife (she does not do hot and sticky) is very comfortable with them. Of course I use the 914 to get her as high as I can to around 10,000 to keep her comfortable. In aircraft using eyeball vents and the NACA, they work well but I find the exit either so low that my knees get in the way, or it inhibits getting the panel out if mounted higher. Panel removal is a very big thing with me because that is where all the toys are. If I want to upgrade a panel, I expect to pull it out aft with only a few screws and cannon type plugs. Pulling out a face panel while in the cockpit is no longer enjoyable, as I am getting old and fat and want easy. The Ultimate Ventilators (also used on many Vans aircraft) are quite directional and mounted to hit the pilot/copilot in the face or torso. As for the feet, I=92ve seen a simple NACA that aims down through the panel to the feet of the pilot. OK for pattern work but at altitude or in winter, are taped up. (Note: on the RV 12 they have a 1946 Desoto type vent, which when placed as most do, in a forward impact will rip you leg open.) Pay attention to where things are in the cockpit to prevent unnecessary injury, or extra maintenance work. That looks about right needs to be thought out until that works really well is achieved. Keep in mind, the air has to exit the cabin for the ventilation to work. One can put in simple vents in the D panel in the baggage bay, or spacers on the D panel screws to move it forward. The aft end of the trigear is quite good as a suction source. Cutting out a 4 inch slot in the door seal at the rear near the strut works well, as this is a low pressure area, and rain can=92t get in as the channel drains the water down and out. The mono can be a problem (surprise!) as the owner who choses to leave a larger hole in the bottom can tend to capture air and pressurize the cockpit through the tunnel penetrations. If the aft wheel bay is closed properly, and the cockpit slots are closed up and even lined with foam on the inside to seal the gear, flap tube, brake, rudder cable and throttle slots, one should not have a problem with unwanted cold or hot air coming in. A tedious job, but if done so as to be maintainable and interference free, rewarding. My two cents also. Bud Yerly From: Christoph Both Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:23 PM Subject: FW: Europa-List: Engine Bay Heat Barrier Hi Will, I used the heat barrier product with over silica backed stick on. Glue is good up to 300F, metal surface up to 2000F. I used this older product, they now have a 24K new product I am not familiar with. Stuck it onto the firewall at all not critical sections 2012. Still sticks on after 250 hours. http://www.thermotec.com Critical sections were covered with an Aircraft Spruce both sides stainless steel backed product: Firewall-2000 Product# 05-00948 which I used to also cover the entire motor mount cavity up to the firewall. Make sure you order a tube of the 2000F fire retardant "silicone=94 with it to seal all the edges. I riveted the sheet with mounting washers to the firewall. This way the entire footwell back to the tunnel is being protected for my TRI. Bud suggested this and its good extra insurance. Christoph ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS From: "JonSmith" The new LAA leaflet TL2.28 giving details of requirements for IFR also outlines requirements for VFR as an intro to the IFR part. The section specifically about VFR flight instrumentation is on page 9. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TechnicalLeaflets/Operating%20An%20Aircraft/TL%202.28%20Night%20IFR%20assessment.pdf Don't know where the original defined VFR requirements are. CS-23 maybe? H.T.H, Jon -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455101#455101 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 Engine Mount Bolts From: "spcialeffects" Well have just gone back into the workshop and got the bolt i cut to 95mm and cut some more thread so that the nut goes on further, first problem solved. Next i messed around with the bolt for a while, re-read the instructions and what it says (on the diagram bottom right) and the picture don't correspond. It says that the cap screw must point forward yet is pictured pointing backwards?? Anyway all sorted now Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455102#455102 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS From: "jonathanmilbank" Perfect, thanks Jon. Good enough for my purposes. And by squinting closely at the indistinct picture which my friend provided, I think I can just make out that the cluster of three instruments are those required for back-up. Apart from that he has no other round dials in evidence; just one large EFIS panel in front of the pilot which probably displays everything including engine parameters. Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455103#455103 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:40:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 914 Engine Mount Bolts From: GTH Le 16/04/2016 16:13, spcialeffects a crit : > The only way i thing i can fit it is to take off the whole exhaust system OR just take off the muffler and turbo at the square flange. Was just wanting to hear how others had done it Frank, Please note that I did not build the same airplane as yours, though both machines share the same engine and the same cruise speed. Just to say that taking off the Rotax muffler is no big deal, especially if it helps to install the engine. -- Best regards, Gilles http://contrails.free.fr http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:54 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: UK back-up VFR instruments for EFIS From: "rampil" Hi Jonathan! I'm just curious about your query and underlying assumptions. Are light aircraft in the LAA/PFA world required to have certificated instrumentation (USA TSO equivalent)? In the US, that is not the case, FWIW. Assuming (and quite possibly wrongly) that certificated instrumentation is not mandatory, why then are steam gauges required in your opinion, if the EFIS has all required data displayed. Are you making the argument that electronic instrumentation is less accurate or less reliable than mechanical? I do not believe you can find objective data supporting that contention. The hide-bound FAA in the US has come to see the light. They have begun to allow non-TSO instrumentation to be panel-mounted in certified aircraft, e.g., Dynons D10 in Cessna 172s. Of course some people just don't like glass instruments. I have a neighbor here with over 25000 ATP flight hours, a J-3 cub, a Stearman, and an FAA "Wright Brothers" award for 50 years of accident-free flying. He won't fly behind a Rotax because he believes an engine RPM over 3000 is unsafe. Each to their own. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=455111#455111 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:20 PM PST US From: John Archer <77alembert@gmail.com> Subject: Europa-List: What navigation software to use for Europe and France? I have become dissatisfied with Airnavpro because of recent "upgrades" which in my opinion have rendered it less user friendly than before. The menu has become more cluttered, the symbols less clear, closer together and although I haven't flown with it yet I can only imagine that a bit of turbulence would render it unusable. What a shame that a once clear usable software has become a victim of perceived obligation to update it. My question to the list is, bearing in mind that I live in France, what is the best iPad compatible program to use for navigation and planning at a reasonable price? I see that up there with the best is, fore flight, wing x pro and sky demon. Which is the best value for money? John Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:12 PM PST US From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: What navigation software to use for Europe and =?UTF-8?Q?France=3F? John, I guess that few if any of us has detailed knowledge of all the systems. I use the Sky Demon system and find it superb for planning and related things like Notams, Flight plans, etc. I do not use it as a flight instrument, having a Garmin 496 installed in the panel and slaved to an autopilot, but have flown with a number of folk who have used it as their principle in flight nav system with happy results. Sky Demon is so good and its upgrades so seamless that I find it difficult toimagine that the other systems can be better, and certainly have no inclination to consider changing. Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ On 2016-04-16 23:03, John Archer wrote: > > I have become dissatisfied with Airnavpro because of recent "upgrades" which in my opinion have rendered it less user friendly than before. The menu has become more cluttered, the symbols less clear, closer together and although I haven't flown with it yet I can only imagine that a bit of turbulence would render it unusable. What a shame that a once clear usable software has become a victim of perceived obligation to update it. > My question to the list is, bearing in mind that I live in France, what is the best iPad compatible program to use for navigation and planning at a reasonable price? > I see that up there with the best is, fore flight, wing x pro and sky demon. > Which is the best value for money? > John > > Sent from my iPad > Links: ------ [1] http://www.buildersbooks.com [2] http://www.matronics.com/contribution [3] http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List [4] http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:47:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: What navigation software to use for Europe and France? From: Alain Chabert Hello John, Have a look to http://www.skydreamsoft.fr/ I use it for some time to replace Airnavpro, and he approaches perfection. See you on the frequency *Alain CHABERT* _ _ Le 17/04/2016 00:03, John Archer a crit : > > I have become dissatisfied with Airnavpro because of recent "upgrades" which in my opinion have rendered it less user friendly than before. The menu has become more cluttered, the symbols less clear, closer together and although I haven't flown with it yet I can only imagine that a bit of turbulence would render it unusable. What a shame that a once clear usable software has become a victim of perceived obligation to update it. > My question to the list is, bearing in mind that I live in France, what is the best iPad compatible program to use for navigation and planning at a reasonable price? > I see that up there with the best is, fore flight, wing x pro and sky demon. > Which is the best value for money? > John > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.